PeterMP Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/14/2018 at 6:55 PM, twa said: at the rate over the last 100 yrs six degrees it will take almost 600 yrs, and that is if we don't enter a cooling period. National Geographic went Hollywood Okay, but it isn't like there are no affects until 6 degrees. I live in an older home based on current standards for new home (in NJ at least), it is poorly insulated. To bring it up to current standards would be outrageously expensive. But, I'm also paying for the insulation issue and every little bit I can do to improve the insulation helps me pay less. It isn't an all or nothing situation in terms of costs in either direction. Doing little bits to help reduce the costs associated with warming. No, they don't "fix" the problem, but they do help control the longer term costs as compared to doing nothing. Even new homes aren't perfectly insulated systems. Doing such a thing is essentially impossible. But that isn't a good argument to build homes with no insulation. Nobody would argue that since it is impossible to completely insulate a home means that the money saved from some insulation isn't a benefit. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/decoding-weather-machine.html NOVA piece on climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Oh goody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 God forbid they actually address the crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Probably all that sediment washing away Dem folks in Florida be wondering were the limestone went while watering their lawns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 30 years ago tomorrow Jim Hansen testified before Congress on the dangers of climate change. At the time, he made predictions about future global temperatures at different emission levels. If humans were not contributing to significantly due to warming (i.e. if climate change was mostly the result of natural phenomenon), there was no reason to believe that temperatures would continue to go up. Here's Hansen's predictions in 1988 vs. reality: Clearly, the Null Hypothesis (that humans aren't contributing to warming) is wrong. Scenario C under estimates output of most green house gases (C assumed that our output of things like CO2 would stop going up around 2000) and so under estimates actual warming. Hansen didn't get everything right, but he was a lot closer to being right then he was wrong. And we've learned a lot more about climate than in the 1988. Scientists/science have been wrong about things in the past and will be in the future, but I don't think there's a comparable case where somebody made a science based prediction that has held up based on 30 years of data and the general idea being wrong. One way or another, we're going to (have to) adapt. The only question is what adaptions are going we to make. We're going to pay the costs one way or another. Edited June 22, 2018 by PeterMP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 This stuff is all over the canal and other waterways around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 What I find interesting is that oil companies are now having to deal with thawing permafrost caused by their willful denial of the cause. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/11/617240387/oil-industry-copes-with-climate-impacts-as-permafrost-thaws I’m sure our resident defenders of the status quo will tell us that this is all just normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: I’m sure our resident defenders of the status quo will tell us that this is all just normal. Science tells us the earth will continue to warm until it starts to cool again.....be afraid. or cope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, twa said: Science tells us the earth will continue to warm until it starts to cool again.....be afraid. or cope Bro, you can defend "conservative" platforms or whatever but pretending like man-made climate change isn't real is just boneheaded. TEAMS of EXPERTS... BRILLIANT people who have DEDICATED THEIR LIVES to mastering this field have determined that this is settled. GOP politicians who are bought off by really rich people who could get a little more rich if they didn't have to worry about the damage they are doing to the environment are telling you otherwise. There's no debating this. When you think you're debating it, you might as well be saying, "I am a tool of the GOP. This is one more example and probably the most glaring, of how I will always fall in line and do or believe whatever they tell me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, twa said: Science tells us the earth will continue to warm until it starts to cool again.....be afraid. or cope Well, right now there is no plan to cope so I guess we should be afraid. Edited July 4, 2018 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, PeterMP said: Well, right now there is no plan to cope so I guess we should be afraid. might as well since the proposed 'solution' are not solutions Man made ignores ya'll ain't willing to check out save Gaia Sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, twa said: might as well since the proposed 'solution' are not solutions Man made ignores ya'll ain't willing to check out save Gaia Sacks. Like I've said before, it is kind of like insulating your house. There is no perfect solution for insulating your house (there is no such thing as a perfectly insulated house), but that doesn't mean you don't do as much to insulate as you can. Every little bit helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: Like I've said before, it is kind of like insulating your house. There is no perfect solution for insulating your house (there is no such thing as a perfectly insulated house), but that doesn't mean you don't do as much to insulate as you can. Every little bit helps. the anti nuclear folk took a wall out, good luck with insulating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, twa said: Science tells us the earth will continue to warm until it starts to cool again.....be afraid. or cope Republicans tell us that dumping half a billion tons of man-made waste products into the air, per year, for 100 years straight, while also destroying the natural devices for dealing with that chemical, cannot possibly have any effect at all, and even if it does, then well, somebody (but not the people profiting from it) should just suck it up and deal with the results (which we also don't want you to pay attention to, or plan for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Larry said: Republicans tell us that dumping half a billion tons of man-made waste products into the air, per year, for 100 years straight, while also destroying the natural devices for dealing with that chemical, cannot possibly have any effect at all, and even if it does, then well, somebody (but not the people profiting from it) should just suck it up and deal with the results (which we also don't want you to pay attention to, or plan for). you are boring me, and probably wasting electricity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, twa said: Science tells us the earth will continue to warm until it starts to cool again.....be afraid. or cope What’s stupid is that you have your hand on the thermostat pushing the temps up and insisting that everyone should just “cope” with the damaging you’re insisting isn’t happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, twa said: Man made ignores ya'll ain't willing to check out save Gaia Sacks. I need this sentence explained to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just now, AsburySkinsFan said: What’s stupid is that you have your hand on the thermostat pushing the temps up and insisting that everyone should just “cope” with the damaging you’re insisting isn’t happening. OK , wanna compare carbon footprints mr anti nuclear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: I need this sentence explained to me. are you willing to remove man from the equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, twa said: are you willing to remove man from the equation? Ugh... Nevermind, I was better off without the explanation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 You know what else is a problem that would go away if all humans were extinct? Identity theft. Yup, if we just took humans out of the equation there'd be no more identity theft at all. Think about it. When was the last time you saw a dolphin digging through someone's trash looking for tax documents or financial statements? Barring that, there is absolutely no other possible way to help reduce the problem and nothing else to discuss. Kill all humans or quit whining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, twa said: the anti nuclear folk took a wall out, good luck with insulating Right, out inability to due something about climate change is due to the anti-nuclear people. It has nothing to do with the lies and misinformation that was spread by the fossil fuel industry and the right for years. (Germany's 2018 emissions are expected to be flat, while ours are expected to increase.) Edited July 4, 2018 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Cope... with the aftermath of our selfish idiocy. seems to be the entirety of the GOP platform anymore. ~Bang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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