I want to sue the republican party for willful denial of scientific evidence about climate change.

[China]

Climate scientists are struggling to find the right words for very bad news

 

A much-awaited report from the U.N.'s top climate science panel will show an enormous gap between where we are and where we need to be to prevent dangerous levels of warming.

 

In Incheon, South Korea, this week, representatives of over 130 countries and about 50 scientists have packed into a large conference center going over every line of an all-important report: What chance does the planet have of keeping climate change to a moderate, controllable level?

 

When they can’t agree, they form “contact groups” outside the hall, trying to strike an agreement and move the process along. They are trying to reach consensus on what it would mean — and what it would take — to limit the warming of the planet to just 1.5 degrees Celsius, or 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, when 1 degree Celsius has already occurred and greenhouse gas emissions remain at record highs.

 

“It’s the biggest peer-review exercise there is,” said Jonathan Lynn, head of communications for the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. “It involves hundreds or even thousands of people looking at it.”

 

The IPCC, the world’s definitive scientific body when it comes to climate change, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize a decade ago and has been given what may rank as its hardest task yet.

 

It must not only tell governments what we know about climate change — but how close they have brought us to the edge. And by implication, how much those governments are failing to live up to their goals for the planet, set in the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

 

1.5 degrees is the most stringent and ambitious goal in that agreement, originally put there at the behest of small island nations and other highly vulnerable countries. But it is increasingly being regarded by all as a key guardrail, as severe climate change effects have been felt in just the past five years — raising concerns about what a little bit more warming would bring.

 

“Half a degree doesn’t sound like much til you put it in the right context,” said Durwood Zaelke, president of the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development. “It’s 50 percent more than we have now.”

 

The idea of letting warming approach 2 degrees Celsius increasingly seems disastrous in this context.

 

Parts of the planet, like the Arctic, have already warmed beyond 1.5 degrees and are seeing alarming changes. Antarctica and Greenland, containing many feet of sea-level rise, are wobbling. Major die-offs have hit coral reefs around the globe, suggesting an irreplaceable planetary feature could soon be lost.

 

It is universally recognized that the pledges made in Paris would lead to a warming far beyond 1.5 degrees — more like 2.5 or 3 degrees Celsius, or even more. And that was before the United States, the world’s second-largest emitter, decided to try to back out.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[PeterMP]

Sea level rise is eroding home value, and owners might not even know it

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sea-level-rise-is-eroding-home-value-and-owners-might-not-even-know-it/2018/08/20/ff63fa8c-a0d5-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.9adcf5651168

 

We're going to pay the cost one way or another.  Might as well do it in away that reduces fossil fuel usage and the issues with them.

[China]

6 hours ago, PeterMP said:

Sea level rise is eroding home value, and owners might not even know it

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sea-level-rise-is-eroding-home-value-and-owners-might-not-even-know-it/2018/08/20/ff63fa8c-a0d5-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.9adcf5651168

 

We're going to pay the cost one way or another.  Might as well do it in away that reduces fossil fuel usage and the issues with them.

 

From the article:

 

Quote

In March, the city’s Board of Architectural Review approved the demolition — a decision not taken lightly in Charleston’s historic district.

“Each time that I was just finishing up paying off the bills, another flood would hit,” Boineau said.

 

I just paid my flood insurance.  It cost 5 times what it did last year.  My insurance agent said it was do to the recent hurricanes/flooding.  Outrageous cost increase.  Fortunately it hasn't affected the home value.

[visionary]

 

[Cooked Crack]

Explain that, liburahls!

[DCSaints_fan]

6 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

Explain that, liburahls!

 

Melting of free floating sea ice has a neglible effect on sea levels. 

 

But its not free-floating sea ice that is the problem.  Its ice thats locked up on land in Greenland and Antartica, which definitely does effect the sea level.

Edited October 16, 2018 by DCSaints_fan

[NoCalMike]

"We've got to listen to the scientists......the .00001% that agree with me"

 

Seriously though, science is not political, it's what you choose to do or not do with the results of science that makes things political. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Imagine every scientist telling us there is a plague coming and we know the cause of the plague is breakfast cereal and if we don’t do something about it, the consequences are going to be catastrophic...

 

Then imagine the Kellogg’s folks give some money to the politicians to let them keep poisoning us and so they do. 

 

These are some evil mother****ers.

[PeterMP]

10 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

Explain that, liburahls!

 

Sea levels have mostly risen because of increases in ocean temperatures.  Water is actually its most dense right before it freezes and then expands moving in other direction from there.  Warming oceans mean less cold water and high sea levels.

 

Ice that is on land is melting too.

 

Nobody claims that melting sea ice is increasing sea levels.

[Cooked Crack]

Guys, I was not serious when asking for an explanation. Was just clowning dude.

[Fresh8686]

 

 
 

[China]

'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

 

Scientists in Canada have warned that massive glaciers in the Yukon territory are shrinking even faster than would be expected from a warming climate – and bringing dramatic changes to the region.

 

After a string of recent reports chronicling the demise of the ice fields, researchers hope that greater awareness will help the public better understand the rapid pace of climate change.

 

The rate of warming in the north is double that of the average global temperature increase, concluded the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in its annual Arctic Report Card, which called the warming “unprecedented”.

 

“The region is one of the hotspots for warming, which is something we’ve come to realize over the last 15 years,” said David Hik of Simon Fraser University. “The magnitude of the changes is dramatic.”

 

In their recent State of the Mountains report published earlier in the summer, the Canadian Alpine Club found that the Saint Elias mountains – which span British Columbia, the Yukon and Alaska – are losing ice faster than the rest of the country.

 

Previous research found that between 1957 and 2007, the range lost 22% of its ice cover, enough to raise global seal levels by 1.1 millimetres.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[twa]

 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, twa said:

We’ll be on the other side of that next time thanks to ya boys.

[PeterMP]

9 hours ago, twa said:

 

 

We've talked about his before.  Europe already releases less CO2 than use per a person or per GDP dollar and have for years.  They are to the point where it is hard for them to improve.  We on the other hand are one of the worse first world countries per a person or  per a GDP dollar and so it is easy for us to improve.

 

If we were where Europe has been for the last 10 years, the problem would be much less than it is.

 

This is like the 20% 3 point shooter that shoots 25% for one year bragginghow much they've improved to the 40% 3 point shooter.

 

In any real conversation, you'd get laughed at.

[twa]

if our improvement doesn't matter I guess it doesn't matter.

[PeterMP]

31 minutes ago, twa said:

if our improvement doesn't matter I guess it doesn't matter.

 

There's a difference between something doesn't matter, and you look like a fool to go around bragging about it to people that are already much better than you.

[twa]

1 minute ago, PeterMP said:

 

There's a difference between something doesn't matter, and you look like a fool to go around bragging about it to people that are already much better than you.

 

better or different? 

 

that we continue to reduce it is a good thing I suppose.

[visionary]

 

[China]

Climate change is scary. ‘Rat explosion’ is way scarier.

 

What’s so scary about climate change?

 

The term is not scary — at last not in a visceral, skin-crawling sense. Scientists have shown that the likely 2 degrees of global warming to come this century will be extremely dangerous, but, you know, “2 degrees” is hardly a phrase from nightmares and horror films.

 

How about “rat explosion”?

 

As the climate warms, rats in New York, Philadelphia and Boston are breeding faster — and experts warn of a population explosion.

 

Like rats, humans are hardy animals, and we’ve adapted to all kinds of climates. So it can be tempting to brush off the prospect of 2 degrees of warming. Especially for Americans, who mostly use Fahrenheit. That 2 degree warming is Celsius. Think of 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Still not scared? Fine.

 

The physics of climate change doesn’t have the same fear factor as the biology. Many living things are sensitive to small changes in temperature, so warming of 2 degrees Celsius will transform the flora and fauna that surround us in a big way. Other life forms are also very sensitive to moisture, and so populations will crash or explode as anthropogenic climate change continues to make wet areas more sodden and dry areas, more parched.

 

And while extinctions may inspire a sense of tragedy, it’s the creatures multiplying in outbreaks and infestations that generate horror. As rat expert Bobby Corrigan of Cornell University has told various media outlets, rats have a gestation period of 14 days. The babies can start reproducing after a month. That means that in one year, one pregnant rat can result in 15,000 to 18,000 new rats. Warmer winters will continue to dial up rat fecundity. People in urban areas such as New York and Boston are already noticing a lot more rats, not just in downtown alleyways, but even in the posh suburbs.

 

Rats are just the beginning. Biologists have calculated that with the expected warming this century of 2 degrees Celsius, populations of dangerous crop-eating insects are likely to explode as temperate areas warm, reducing crop yields by 25 percent to 50 percent. Similar horrors lurk offshore, where biologists have found that a population explosion of purple sea urchins — “****roaches of the ocean” — is choking out other denizens of Pacific kelp forests.

 

Click on the link for more

[dfitzo53]

I love how ****roaches is censored. It makes me imagine the possibilities, and try to decide which is funniest: ****roaches, ****roaches, ****roaches or ****roaches.

[PeterMP]

On 11/1/2018 at 9:12 PM, visionary said:

 

 

Need to point that they've had to retract.  They apparently messed up propagating their error.

 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/11/resplandy-et-al-correction-and-response/

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

On 10/31/2018 at 7:24 AM, twa said:

that we continue to reduce it is a good thing I suppose.

Would’ve been. Trump made sure that won’t be the case though.

On 11/7/2018 at 7:14 PM, dfitzo53 said:

I love how ****roaches is censored. It makes me imagine the possibilities, and try to decide which is funniest: ****roaches, ****roaches, ****roaches or ****roaches.

Definitely ****roaches.

[twa]

25 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Would’ve been. Trump made sure that won’t be the case though.

 

 

Trump has less impact than market factors, and it will continue.

 

The antinuke crowd has been more of a problem, but are slowly coming to see reality.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/11/09/fight-climate-change-environmentalists-say-yes-nuclear-power/VufPzToKvB03hlo9kT7KrI/story.html

 

 

sure hope this trend doesn't continue....I hate cold

 

Quote

 

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/09/27/the-chill-of-solar-minimum/

Sept. 27, 2018: The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age. Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018, and the sun’s ultraviolet output has sharply dropped. New research shows that Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding.

 

 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

5 minutes ago, twa said:

Trump has less impact than market factors, and it will continue.

Is this like the “temperatures go up and down” argument? Yeah, temperatures go up and down but thanks to climate change, they will always be higher than what they would have been.

 

Markets will fluctuate but thanks to Trump and the GOP, we will always pollute more than we would have. Not to mention the amount of methane fat ass is generating on his own.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Sacks 'n' Stuff