@DCGoldPants Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thomas Boswell @ThomasBoswellWP 2-yr deals w Desmond & Z'mann leave open possibility of extensions but also give 2-yr cost certainty which makes either/both more tradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Do you suppose that could be used to get him to negotiate with us, by making trading almost impossible? True, he'd hold a ton of leverage, but there's always the injury risk. Why not offer him an additional 4/$60 to make it a 6 year/84 million deal total? That's 14 million per, which is relatively reasonable without being top top end money, sews him up through age 33, gives him stability and more money than he should ever reasonably need. I just looked up some salary tables. There are no pitchers in the 14 million range. 13+ Million guys include Josh Johnson, Ted Lilly, Ervin Santana, John Papelbon, and sadly, Dan Haren. I'd take J-Zimm over any of these guys. 15 million+ guys? John Lackey and John Danks....which makes me think we may have to open the bank a little more. Alright, stream of consciousness post. Let's say that we offer a 4 year/78 million dollar extension which, combined with the two he just signed, averages out to 17 million per year, and makes him a nine figure guy. Now you're in the realm of Josh Beckett and Jake Peavy. With Harper and Strasburg coming up soon, is that too much for J-Zimm. Kershaw just got 30 mill a year. J. Zimm isn't Kershaw, but he's not going to take 6 years at 84 million. I think the pitchers market is changing, so to speak, and these guys are watching salaries rise every year. Zimm is going to take at least 100 mill overall, most likely. I don't think the team gained any leverage in anything by giving him 24 million over the next two years. I think it makes it harder to trade him because you won't get good value unless you eat some salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins0721 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Kershaw just got 30 mill a year. J. Zimm isn't Kershaw, but he's not going to take 6 years at 84 million. I think the pitchers market is changing, so to speak, and these guys are watching salaries rise every year. Zimm is going to take at least 100 mill overall, most likely. I don't think the team gained any leverage in anything by giving him 24 million over the next two years. I think it makes it harder to trade him because you won't get good value unless you eat some salary. I agree with you on Zimm. He will get his $100m+ contract. The $24m/2yr deal doesn't bother me. Considering a run to the WS in '14 & '15, I'm hoping the Nats aren't looking to dump him at the trade deadline in '15. And assuming the '15 season turns to crap, hold Zimm & get an extra 1st round pick if he signs elsewhere. Hopefully the young ML arms are ready to step in for '16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 For what it's worth, the second half of my post had pushed the deal to 6 year/102 million. Still not enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I agree with you on Zimm. He will get his $100m+ contract. The $24m/2yr deal doesn't bother me. Considering a run to the WS in '14 & '15, I'm hoping the Nats aren't looking to dump him at the trade deadline in '15. And assuming the '15 season turns to crap, hold Zimm & get an extra 1st round pick if he signs elsewhere. Hopefully the young ML arms are ready to step in for '16. I'm not upset by it. At some point good teams have to make tough decisions on players. It might turn out to be the best thing to let zimm walk in two years. We have a lot of God players who are going to be looking to get paid, deservedly so and we can't pay all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm not upset by it. At some point good teams have to make tough decisions on players. It might turn out to be the best thing to let zimm walk in two years. We have a lot of God players who are going to be looking to get paid, deservedly so and we can't pay all of them. I never knew Nat fans were as bad as Redskins fans at over valuing their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I never knew Nat fans were as bad as Redskins fans at over valuing their own. https://twitter.com/MASNCommenter ^^^^this account was gold when the Fister trade went down. Some folks were quite attached to Mr. Lombardozzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/grant-balfour-washington-nationals-reliever-drew-storen-rafael-soriano-tyler-clippard-011914 A new team is in the mix for free-agent reliever Grant Balfour, and it’s none other than a potential World Series contender. The Washington Nationals saved approximately $3.5 million Friday by signing shortstop Ian Desmond and right-hander Jordan Zimmermann to back-loaded, two-year extensions. The team’s motivation, according to major league sources, was to create financial flexibility. The Nationals have two remaining arbitration cases. They have made no secret that they want to add another bat off the bench. But they also are interested in Balfour, sources said. While the Nationals already have three relievers with closing experience - Rafael Soriano, Tyler Clippard and Drew Storen - the addition of Balfour could make sense for a variety of reasons. The Nats almost certainly do not want Soriano to pitch enough games to vest his $14 million option for 2015. They likely prefer Clippard as a setup man and, according to sources, would like to trade Storen, who will earn $3.45 million this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinswillwin06 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 One profile I read about JZimm was that he is a very quiet guy who generally keeps to himself. He really likes being home in Wisconsin. I'm not sure how much he's taken to DC. I'd say look for him to go to Milwaukee (not sure they have the money), the Cubs, the Tigers, or the Cardinals, if he doesn't stay here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 They'll keep Desi, prolly not JZimm. They have a number of decent arms coming up through the minors right now. Hopefully Golito will be ready (and really good) in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I am already a big fan of Blevins, dude is hilarious. Asked on the radio this afternoon what he would think if he were a hitter and had to face himself: "I'm going to see a lot of awkward length and skinny limbs coming at you," Blevins joked. "You're going to see a guy that throws strikes. He's able to command his pitches, and hopefully, definitely if I'm facing myself, I'm going to get myself out because I probably will never be able to hit a baseball." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I never knew Nat fans were as bad as Redskins fans at over valuing their own. Who am I overvaluing? In case you couldn't tell, there was a typo in there from typing on an ipad. It was "we have lots of good players." I'm not sure I put a value on anyone except J. Zimm though? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't think anybody is overvaluing this team preseason...or last year either. They still finished at like 86 wins after that awful 1st half. This team if coached well and healthy will fight for the division again. Hopefully (noticed what I said that) they are a lot more mature now and are ready to take the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Missed on Balfour. Went to the Rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't think we were ever in on Balfour. Having Soriano signed for so much money along with so much invested in Storen and Clippard makes another top flight reliever a reach. Need another bat. Either at first or third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 kinda felt like his name was floating around with the Nats just to drive up a price. Another talent would have been cool. But the guys they have should be just fine. Still need a few backup peaces. Hovering around .500 is no good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm more disappointed we couldn't get O'Flaherty but I think his decision was driven by his personal life's needs (mother or grandmother has cancer in Seattle or something like that). Still, 7 million for a season and a half of what could be a top 5 reliever in baseball is chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Need another bat. Either at first or third. Has McGlouth ever played any infield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Think they are hoping Skole is ready mid-year if Laroche isn't hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Here's a wacky thought, long range... Have Bryce Harper convert to either 3B or 1B. They already converted him from a catcher to extend his career. He has the tools and the innate baseball skills to make the transition to either of those two positions. I could see him as a first baseman in his later years. Genius, or idiotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Think they are hoping Skole is ready mid-year if Laroche isn't hitting. If LaRoche isn't hitting, I think its more likely they look for somebody during the trade deadline. Skole will be in the mix, but they may want a veteran who won't be shaken by a potential playoff run. Here's a wacky thought, long range... Have Bryce Harper convert to either 3B or 1B. They already converted him from a catcher to extend his career. He has the tools and the innate baseball skills to make the transition to either of those two positions. I could see him as a first baseman in his later years. Genius, or idiotic? Barring injury, thats at least a decade away. He has arguably strongest throwing outfield arm in baseball, it would be a shame to waste it at first base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 If LaRoche isn't hitting, I think its more likely they look for somebody during the trade deadline. Skole will be in the mix, but they may want a veteran who won't be shaken by a potential playoff run. Did LaRoche ever get his meds squared away? His weight loss just ruined him last season at the plate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Shooting an animal with a gun isn't that big of a deal. Animals don't even shoot back. It's only marginally impressive with a bow. Didn't kill it for meat. Wasn't threatening his life. Just killed the animal because he thought it was cool/fun. Not to derail the thread... but I'll give you a bow and five arrows and let you loose in the woods for a month. I promise you'll lose at least 40 pounds if you last the month. Haters gon hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Has McGlouth ever played any infield? No and if we're relying on him for offense (other than platoon) we're in trouble Think they are hoping Skole is ready mid-year if Laroche isn't hitting. Yea, I don't like that plan either. Here's a wacky thought, long range... Have Bryce Harper convert to either 3B or 1B. They already converted him from a catcher to extend his career. He has the tools and the innate baseball skills to make the transition to either of those two positions. I could see him as a first baseman in his later years. Genius, or idiotic? I'd rather convert Werth to first base. Or Zimmerman. Not to derail the thread... but I'll give you a bow and five arrows and let you loose in the woods for a month. I promise you'll lose at least 40 pounds if you last the month. Haters gon hate. WTF does that have to do with Laroche killing an animal for fun? Mountain lion meat is **** and he clearly doesn't need the pelt for warmth. So, basically, he killed an animal because he thought it was fun. And I'd die of the elements long before I died of hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 We'd be wasting Harper's athleticism at 1st. Just keep him in the OF. He'll learn to tone down his recklessness as he ages. I think Zimm will be moving to 1B, possibly after this year once Laroach's deal expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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