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No thanks. I don't need the QB picking our next coach. Let the/a GM do his job or RG3 will be dubbed "the coach killer" and that's the last thing the Redskins need!

Who cares what other people think. If they interview coaches and at the end of the search they say Art Briles is our guy than it is what it is.

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If Briles is hired. I think the first thing he needs to say is that Kirk and Robert will compete. That imediately dispells the "This is a develop Robert Griffin hire" that the media is going to run with.

I think they need to just go ahead and say it IS a help Robert Griffin hire. **** the media and thier controversies. Tell players to keep mouths shut and dont let anyone talk to them. Media in DC is gonna talk regardless. Let them. We win and no one cares.

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Yall need to realize the media in DC is gonna talk regardless. There will ALWAYS be controversy; fictional or otherwise. Why not put all out chips in on the innovative mind that can get the very best out of our VERY BEST player(s).

Roll the dice. Nothing to lose, really.

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Steve Spurrier was a pretty great offensive coach before he came here. I'd expect those kind of results if Briles came here. I don't know why anyone would expect differently.

I do want an offensive guru as head coach though. I'd rather watch us with a prolific offense than a stout defense. Losing games 34-42 is more entertaining than losing games 14-17. If you think this team can simultaneously have a prolific offense and a stout defense I would kindly ask you to pass me the joint you've been smoking.

I watched a lot of Florida games when SS was there, he wasn't a great offensive mind. What he did was get 11 guys faster then you're 11, especially at WR and RB. HE would line four or five guys with sub 4.5 speed and you would only have two to three guys that could cover them. In zone he would pick a side of the field and just attack it over and over again until someone got open deep. Really was a numbers guy. 

The wild card is AJ Smith. He's on the payroll as a consultant and he was rarely seen at Ashburn pre-Shanahan ESPN Leak gate/Chiefs game. But since then he has been around the facility a lot per C.Cooley. So  he is either helping Dan & Bruce put together a list of HC candidates OR he's preparing for a bigger role in the organization. But would fans really like AJ Smith? I wouldn't mind but fans hated when he was even hired as a consultant.  

His personnel moves in San Diego were not too shabby. 

Based on?

 

Hail. 

BTW, one complaint about this thread, it's the name. Clearly the Briles Files should have won out. lol. 

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Would Shanahan come back without an extension and also cede general manager duties?  If not (the second being the more important part), then no, there is no question that he shouldn't come back.  Giving head coaches player-personnel power hasn't worked for anyone else and hasn't worked for us.  It's time to get a strong independent GM.  Promote Bruce Allen to team president and hire a GM.  Then the team president and GM should look for head coach candidates to recommend to Snyder.  

 

If Shanahan is willing to work without an extension and cede GM duties, then hire the GM and let the GM make the call.  

Hard to demote a successful man and have him save face. I think he could stay, keep GM duties and get a new DC, ST coach.. If you want to go real GM route, Shanny will leave IMO. 

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I'd only be on board with AJ Smith if Allen was the contracts guy, not that I have ant say in the matter. AJ Smith alienates players and lost Brees, LT, VJax for nothing. He almost lost Gates as well. He couldn't get along with Marty, then again not sure how many people get along with Marty. Fires a coach after going 14-2 and hires Norv Turner and kept him a couple years too long.

I'm not overly excited about the possibility of AJ Smith.

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I'd only be on board with AJ Smith if Allen was the contracts guy, not that I have ant say in the matter. AJ Smith alienates players and lost Brees, LT, VJax for nothing. He almost lost Gates as well. He couldn't get along with Marty, then again not sure how many people get along with Marty. Fires a coach after going 14-2 and hires Norv Turner and kept him a couple years too long.

I'm not overly excited about the possibility of AJ Smith.

Good points and this is what would concern me moving forward with AJ Smith as the GM. 

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o its not just about the Xs and Os its about a philosophy:

“That’s how the world is,” Briles said. “The world is fast-paced. Everything’s instant. So that’s what people like. They like to see stuff happen now. This game. This drive. This snap. Whatever happened yesterday is old news. Hundreds of things have happened since. I mean, that’s why we don’t have a playbook. We have pictures. We have video. That’s how we teach it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/sports/ncaafootball/from-high-school-to-college-baylors-art-briles-succeeds-with-the-spread-offense.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1388257680-1Cs5cRtuAKoPJ3J2IjNVbg


GHH posted this in his OP and it bears repeating:
Everything's about your mental attitude, and how you approach it, and how you get to where you wanna get..... That's our motto: no excuses, no comparisons, and no compromises.
http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-baylor-is-porn-for-football-nerds-1468141463
 

o Briles is AGGRESSIVE

Many play callers and offenses set-up 'the big play' with other 'build up' plays. With Briles every play is 'the big play'.

"We do not try to go to the body to set up the knockout shot," Briles "We try to score on every snap."

 

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You know it never ceases to amaze me how you put something up to try educate folk that are clearly misinformed. (Which is fine. Nobody expects everyone to spend time watching college ball or reading up on a guy.). But darn, to then completely ignore that and ignorantly continue on takes the biscuit. 

 

Don't go dissing a guy if you can't be bothered to take the time to find out about him and what he does. 

 

Hail. 

 

GHH You said you've been watching for 30 years.  I've been playing and coaching for over 30 years.  And as someone who actually runs some of the spread concepts I think I have a better idea of the strengths and weaknesses than someone who's just watched it.

 

1.  To make Art's Offense work in the NFL he needs to overwhelm defenses with receivers that can win 1v1.  Art had Josh Gordon, Kendall Wright, and Terrance Williams.  All three have proven they can play at a high level in the NFL.  If you and LL (and his insider buddy Fred Davis) think it's easy to draft and find a plethora of players like that then where the hell have you been for years when the Redskins have failed time and time again to draft just one Wide Receiver that can be a big impact!? (Hank can't stay healthy and PG was a Free Agent)  Art can recruit but can he draft?

 

2.  The QB in Spread and Air Raid concept will have to run when teams drop 7 in coverage.  That exposes him to contact out of the pocket.  Hell, even Foles runs at times!  Also, if Art is always attacking Vertical and doesn't have the ability to teach his qb to do something as simple as sliding protection vs a basic overload blitz (such as vs KC when Robert couldn't do it but Kirk came in right away and did so) then how do you expect him to be able to teach his QB and Oline to scheme up vs all the myriad of blitzes and stunts he'd see in the NFL?  (Defenses that won't be limited to 20 hours a week as in college!) Which means your QB better be able to run or he's going to be getting hit in the mouth every other throw.  Every hit like that adds up.  You guys are smoking crack if you think Art's going to be able to go with a 5 or even a 6 man protection scheme on a regular basis vs NFL type blitz Schemes.  Even if the blocking is good you can't be sure that a 4 or 5 man route combination will free someone up everytime vs man or some mixed coverage.  Which means the QB will have to scramble or at least avoid the sack by throwing it away.

 

3.  Pace of the game.  It's all well and good to think a team can just go pedal to the metal and operate at a high rate of tempo the entire game.  But everyone here forgets that Art and Kelly at Oregon were coaching young, college players who have the cardio and are able to recover faster than a Pro in his upper 20's to early 30's.  That fast pace is not sustainable.  Kelly even figured that out and has had to slow things down for his own guys to catch up this year; and almost cost him the game vs our Redskins twice.  In the NFL the season is more like being in the SEC than the Big 12.  Where EVERY team can beat you and has coaches that can coach and players that can play.  There are at least five more games as well; not counting pre season and OTA's.  The wear and tear on the bodies will take its toll and you'll end up with injuries to key players.

 

4.  There's no such thing as some magic system that is impossible to decipher.  As long as you can only field 11 players there's only so many ways they can line up.  There are only so many possibilities for a route or route concepts.  You might fool a team on how you run your mesh concept or your smash route or NCAA but those passing concepts will be recognized by a good defense and neutralized.  Then what?  Everyone has a system, tendencies, patterns, etc that a good defense will hone in on and stop.  Just look at how teams adjusted to and greatly limited our Offense, 49ers and the Seahawks.  You don't think they won't figure out how to stop Kelly's offense then you're delusional.  Hell, Stanford runs an NFL scheme and stopped Oregon cold this year.    And you guys think that NFL coordinators won't be able to do so?  Really?!?!

 

The bottom line for success comes down to playmakers.  The team with the most guys that can win 1v1 (whether on offense or defense) will usually come out on top.  Any decent OC that's not full of crap will tell you that it's all about finding ways to get your best players the ball.  I've been to see Rich Rod and every other Guru you can think of at Nike Coaching clinics and they all say the same thing.  Get your best players the ball.  That's how you win in football.  That's how Gibbs did it.  Who came in known for a great passing attack and decided to play smash mouth. I've coached eight city championships with players like Jerod Mayo with the Patriots, Tyrod Taylor, Both Adibis who played at Va Tech, etc.  I've coached in the 757 for over 30 years and I've seen some really good football.  I like the spread concepts for High School and even college.  It's easy to teach and execute.  But also easy to defend once you figure out who the playmakers are.  Make the offense get the ball to less talented players and take your chances.  Send pressure with different looks and make the QB move his feet and run.  Last year it worked because RG III was a threat running.  This year he wasn't and the offense went to hell. 

 

Johnny Manziel probably runs the Air Raid concept better than anybody.  How many championships does Texas A&M have?  Not even an SEC championship.  Chip Kelly's Eagles haven't won a playoff game yet.  And you guys can't wait to point to him and declare success!  Sure, you can blend in some spread concepts.  Patriots do that very well.  As does New Orleans.  But how many super bowls have the Patriot's won without a running game?  None! 

 

If Art Briles comes to Washington he better bring Gordon, Jenkins and Williams with him.  And even then it would be tough.  Hell, the players we have can't get open vs the sorry cowboys defenders when they go man.  In order to pass someone has to be open.  Without superior talent at the receiver position a spread only system will not work in the NFL.  And with the salary cap and equity in the NFL draft good luck acheiving that!

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The wild card is AJ Smith. He's on the payroll as a consultant and he was rarely seen at Ashburn pre-Shanahan ESPN Leak gate/Chiefs game. But since then he has been around the facility a lot per C.Cooley. So  he is either helping Dan & Bruce put together a list of HC candidates OR he's preparing for a bigger role in the organization. But would fans really like AJ Smith? I wouldn't mind but fans hated when he was even hired as a consultant.  

 

Yeah, projecting Lineman is out of my wheelhouse lol 

 

If AJ Smith had total authority I wouldn't mind that.  I'd rather see him make the hire than to pair Briles with Bruce Allen.  I know he could be a jerk to some of the players but I think all of his decisions on who to pay and who to let go were spot on.  And the guy can find talent in the draft.  There's no question about that.  Hiring a GM with total control is the only thing Dan hasn't done but needs to.

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TR you make valid points here but curious to know what the redskins should do if you don't think art is going to be the coach ? Do you think we should Keep Shanny ? If not then who would you like to see as coach ? I honestly think if we keep shanny bc of reports of the money I think we change DC and Spec Teams coaches and wait to see what's true about Kyle. I'm also not opposed to Art should shanny go or gruden . We gave a lot 4 RG3 so somehow we got to make this trade freakin lil more balanced  then it already isn't  so if getting RG's coach is going to get us where we hoped to be this year in future  then they should do that. I'm not a fan of coaching carousel every 4 to 5 years  would like to see some consistency  like patriots and like andy did in philly . So what you think ?

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Redskins Diehard

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Boy if we end up with him I hope the "score on every play" bit is just some coach bravado.

The fundamental characteristic of the air raid play design appears to be spreading recievers over more of the field than the defense can cover. One potential challenge is that the field is the same size for 12 year olds as it is for the NFL. And at every level the defenses can cover more of the field.

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Did I read correctly that Art Briles acts as his own agent?

One thing is clear, Jason LaCanfora is doing a full court press for Briles' agent. If it is indeed Briles himself that will be a nice favor that is owed back to JLC whether he stays at Baylor, which is becoming a decent pipeline for NFL talent, or comes to Washington, where JLC will have an insider track within the organization

He deserves it, he's really putting in the work on the Briles sales job

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