WMAL.com : Loaded Gun March Planned For D.C.

[Bang]

Provided the group is well managed and responsible with how they promote it... I believe they'll get the permit.

Thing is, a lot of the verbal/written propaganda comes across as too aggressive.

Groups get permits to reenact Civil War battles all the time with ease. The only difference is, no weapons will be discharged.

well, that and the Civil war reenactors are loaded with blank charges and no bullets are involved in anything. Quitye a bit different than loaded weapons.

Not to mention the setting will be a major city rather than an open field. This guy Kokesh is a Marine. That's a respected title and I doubt "the gov't" are going to give the middle finger to a Marine who is, in his mind, defending the Constitution.

Marine and girlfriend face murder charges of wife

Trial begins of 4 marines charged with torture slay of sgt. and his wife

I could go on and on. Making a man a marine doesn't automatically qualify him as

a/ honorable

B./ sane.

In fact, one thing it does guarantee is he knows how to kill. They're real good at that. But other than that, they're still the same person under the uniform. I respect our uniforms and what they stand for, but people is what they are, and I don't trust people very much.

If the group kept things simple and state their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms is being chipped away, I believe they would get a permit. All permitted protests are handled respectfully in DC and rarely do things get out of hand.

How many protests do you recall that have specifically been so all marchers would be fully armed?

A few extra forms isn't chipping away, and besides, based on the latest numbers, 91% of americans favor deeper background checks and closing loophoples. Somehow, 9% is a majority anymore, because the measures were voted down in the senate.

All this supposed chipping isn't really happening. Every time any bans come up, they're immediately crushed. Every time.

Kokesh is a rabble-rouser. Yelling for the sake of it.

This group seems to be made up of retired military members as well as the typical libertarian-right wing. Regardless of how many people think of them, they are in fact American citizens with the same rights as us. The libertarians in my area tend to be associated with law enforcement or ex-military. This is my opinion... but a group of people like that tend to get their way with things like this.

ex military means nothing to me in terms of what kind of person they are. All it means is they used to be in the military. they do have rights, but committing felonies isn't one of them. and if they march into DC armed and loaded, that's what they're doing.

If the group fails to gain a permit to march in DC on the 4th of July, I could see the group going to a smaller scale and marching in a local city of their choosing.

I read all this BS in this thread about guns crossing state line into DC and how it's a crime and all these people will get arrested. Thing is, those stoner's at the Smoke In bring weed across state lines every year and smoke joints in broad daylight in front of DC law enforcement Every year. I was there one year in the late 90's and it was the weirdest thing I've ever been a part of. Uneventful. Legally permitted. Laws suspended temporarily. In some years, there were arrests but it was based on breaking the rules, namely no paraphernalia like pipes are allowed..

yes, they do. Their weed isn't going to kill anyone... even if they all stood together and blew smoke outside of lafayette park. And, it's also not a felony. However, you can't just go walking around smoking dope. You must stay within the confines of the protest area.

A gun holstered on the hip or strapped across a persons back, with the safety on, and no finger on the trigger is NOT a dangerous weapon. And to play devils advocate... a stoned college kid behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle is probably far more of a public threat.

no argument from me there.

I still don't think it's a good idea. If the pot protest gets out of hand, it's not going to cause much damage as opposed to what may happen If this thing gets out of hand.. I believe someone used the word "bloodbath" up above.

I have no problem with his protest or his desire to get his message across, even if I think the message is a bit over-reactive.. However, crowds are very unpredictable, and arming the entire crowd in our capital.. there's too much chance for something to go horribly wrong.

~Bang

[twa]

no protester should be allowed to break the law.

[Fan since a Fetus]

Listened to two minutes of it, I was forced to turn it off when I felt my IQ drop.

Think of how stupid I feel now. I listened to the whole thing, twice. It gets even better after two minutes.

Maybe he should do a podcast about how Robert's father AND mother could last 20 years and retire in the military and he lasted about 15 minutes. What a loser.

If he was still in the military, he probably wouldn't have this super duper awesome Youtube channel. For some reason, I am thinking that he is just trying to stir up crap to get his name out there.

[LadySkinsFan]

I have been to many protests in DC over the years, and believe that loaded firearms at a demonstration is a bad idea.

The reality is that no group of armed people can ever take over the government.

[DC9]

I could go on and on. Making a man a marine doesn't automatically qualify him as

a/ honorable

B./ sane.

In fact, one thing it does guarantee is he knows how to kill. They're real good at that. But other than that, they're still the same person under the uniform. I respect our uniforms and what they stand for, but people is what they are, and I don't trust people very much.

Do you have enough paint for that broad brush? You're better than that, man.

You work with computers, am I to assume you're a porn freak?

You are a male in a senior position, am I to assume you sexually harrass your female subordinates?

I get what you're saying, especially with this cat in particular... but please go easy on the generalizing. It seems there is a lot of that in these types of threads, lol. If that's the norm, then I guess I'll step out again, but I'm trying to get more involved in these conversations.

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If he was still in the military, he probably wouldn't have this super duper awesome Youtube channel. For some reason, I am thinking that he is just trying to stir up crap to get his name out there.

Yeah, he would be out of the military quickly if he had a youtube channel like this. I learned all I needed to know about him from reading a couple of links from this thread and watching that video... dude is pretty inconsistent with where he stands on a lot of issues.

[Bang]

Do you have enough paint for that broad brush? You're better than that, man.

You work with computers, am I to assume you're a porn freak?

You are a male in a senior position, am I to assume you sexually harrass your female subordinates?

Uh, I didn't paint with ANY brush, i never said "all marines are murderers' Or "all marines..." ANYTHING. (except all Marines know how to kill. And in many ways. That's their job. But i didn't say or imply "All marines who know how to kill are crazy and dangerous.)

I simply pointed out that being a Marine does not automatically make someone a sane or decent person in response to this sentence from Ellis: "This guy Kokesh is a Marine. That's a respected title and I doubt "the gov't" are going to give the middle finger to a Marine who is, in his mind, defending the Constitution"

Jeez, A bit touchy, ain'tcha?

~Bang

[Ellis]

Uh, I didn't paint with ANY brush, i never said "all marines are murderers' Or "all marines..." ANYTHING.

I simply pointed out that being an ex-Marine does not automatically make someone a sane or decent person.

Jeez, A bit touchy, ain'tcha?

~Bang

To be fair to Bang, his broad brush was a counter to my broad brush.

Then Bob Ross showed up and **** got crazy!

But the paintings kicked ass.

[DC9]

Uh, I didn't paint with ANY brush, i never said "all marines are murderers' Or "all marines..." ANYTHING. (except all Marines know how to kill. That's a fact. And in many ways. but i didn't say "All marines who know how to kill are crazy and dangerous.)

I simply pointed out that being a Marine does not automatically make someone a sane or decent person.

Jeez, A bit touchy, ain'tcha?

~Bang

A bit, but you linked two stories and implied that Marines "are really good at killing" (not always true... sorry SemperFi) in talking about Marines/former military as a whole. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions right now... who are doing just fine and contributing to society and you are letting a few bad apples condemn the whole farm. Just saying.

Maybe I am being a bit touchy, I just think it was an unfair phrasing is all. I'll grow some thicker skin, I guess.

[Bang]

Well, OK, for the record, allow me to explain myself since it appears I'm maybe being a bit unclear

i am not anti-military or anti-ex-military, at all.

i just think that being one or the other does not cast some sheen over the person that makes them all honorable or trustworthy. They're people, and people are as different as they always are.

(note the USAF director who is supposed to handle sex abuse cases trying to rape someone. His title conveys respect, but the guy under it turned out to be a scumbag.)

That's all. I linked the two stories just to show that some individuals aren't all honor and respect. I have absolutely nothing but respect for the USMC, and any of it's members, past and present.. unless of course they prove otherwise as individuals, as some have.

(and marines do know how to kill. It's what they do. That wasn't meant to be a bad thing. It's just the one thing I know that they all have in common.)

~Bang

[DC9]

To be fair to Bang, his broad brush was a counter to my broad brush.

Then Bob Ross showed up and **** got crazy!

But the paintings kicked ass.

Yeah... you're a little beyond saving in this thread, brother lol.

And Bob Ross? I'm a ****ing Airborne Ranger, man... if you listen to the cadences I bed multiple women at once and eat children and ****. I guess I'm sidetracking it a bit too much. My bad.

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Well, OK, for the record, allow me to explain myself.

i am not anti-military or anti-ex-military

i just think that being one or the other does not cast some sheen over them that makes them all honorable or trustworthy. they're people, and people are as different as they always are.

note the USAF director who is supposed to handle sex abuse cases trying to rape someone. His title conveys respect, but the guy under it turned out to be a scumbag.

that's all.

(and marines do know how to kill. It's what they do. That wasn't meant to be a bad thing. It's just the one thing I know that they all have in common.)

~Bang

I got it. Thanks, Bang.

[Bang]

I got it. Thanks, Bang.

My fault, i could be more clear. (hence my usual 12 edits after i post something)

All's well

~Bang

[Birdlives]

I'm not sure I understand exactly from where they'll be marching. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you're allowed to carry a loaded weapon in Arlington Co., Montgomery Co., or PG Co. either. Unless they intend to launch from the Potomac River, or possibly air-drop into DC? Where exactly are they starting from that they won't be breaking the law as well? Would they carry guns and ammo until they cross into the District and then load their weapons? This all seems way dramatic to me. I doubt anything really comes of this protest. A better plan would've been to plan multiple marches across the country in counties and cities that do allow open carrying of loaded weapons. Same message, but done legally. Hold a press conference, look responsible, mention that DC wouln't let you carry weapons and how horrible that is, blah blah blah...

[AsburySkinsFan]

no protester should be allowed to break the law.

I seriously question this rationale. If Dr. thought like this where would the Civil Rights movement have been?

That said, there is a HUGE difference between a lunch counter sit-in and a non-violent, unarmed march as compared to 2,000+ angry protestors who are carrying loaded weapons.

One, is non-violent protest, the other is very close to being a mob.

I suspect that this even if it happens at all it will draw in those crazies (i.e. those who believe they truly are living in a totalitarian state) who get off on the idea of being a martyr at the hands of the government thereby proving them (in their minds) right all along.

[DjTj]

I seriously question this rationale. If Dr. thought like this where would the Civil Rights movement have been?

That said, there is a HUGE difference between a lunch counter sit-in and a non-violent, unarmed march as compared to 2,000+ angry protestors who are carrying loaded weapons.

One, is non-violent protest, the other is very close to being a mob.

Dr. King was arrested. Several times. If you are a protester who breaks the law, you should be arrested. These guys certainly will be if they follow through with this plan.

[PleaseBlitz]

Wait, what?

Jamie Coughlin

WMAL.com

Adam Kokesh told WMAL his “Open Carry March on Washington” is meant to put Washington on notice. He expects thousands of supporters with loaded firearms to join him. The Facebook page for the event showed about 2,400 attending as of mid day Tuesday.

On notice of what? That gun owners REALLY ****ING LIKE GUNS? Everyone already knows that.

He preaches freedom from tyranny on his podcast “Adam vs. The Man” – the main tenet being a right to bear arms under any circumstance. Kokesh is frustrated with the on-going gun control debate.

“We’re fed up with just living on our knees,” Kokesh told WMAL. “We’d rather stand up on our feet and exert this fundamental right.”

Funny that his definition of freedom from tyranny includes shutting down debate and the viewpoints of the opposing side.

"Living on our knees"????? Really *******? Every half-assed gun control measure that was introduced got shot down, despite large majority support by The People.

Washington Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier says if the protesters attempt to enter the District with guns, the police will take action.

“Passing into the District of Columbia with loaded firearms is a violation of the law, and we’ll have to treat it as such,” Lanier told News Channel 8.

Upon reading this sentence, PB will be attending this event, packing his new camera.

Kokesh told WMAL he would coordinate with local authorities, but does not plan to reach out to Lanier. He said he is willing to be arrested attempting to cross into the District with a loaded gun. He hopes instead authorities will suspend the law on Independence Day and let the protesters pass.

Interestingly, this becomes a First Amendment issues, not a 2nd Amendment issue.

[Bang]

yeah, PB< I don't get it.

At what point does the talk become inciteful or even treasonous?

that' could be read as a threat. Not very thinly disguised.

Kokesh is a self described "revolutionary patriot".

So when do we take that seriously?

~Bang

[twa]

Dr. King was arrested. Several times. If you are a protester who breaks the law, you should be arrested. These guys certainly will be if they follow through with this plan.

exactly....by doing so a law is shown unjust and it opens the way for a legal challenge.....as well as forcing attention.

it is a different critter than lawful protest

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yeah, PB< I don't get it.

At what point does the talk become inciteful or even treasonous?

that' could be read as a threat. Not very thinly disguised.

Kokesh is a self described "revolutionary patriot".

So when do we take that seriously?

~Bang

When he breaks the law is usually a good place

they are not thought police, nor should they be

[Ellis]

And Bob Ross? I'm a ****ing Airborne Ranger, man... if you listen to the cadences I bed multiple women at once and eat children and ****. I guess I'm sidetracking it a bit too much. My bad.

woah! I wasn't calling you bob ross. I was simply injecting some humor into this thread that's clearly gone crazy.

[mistertim]

When he breaks the law is usually a good place

they are not thought police, nor should they be

But the law does have to take into account words and apparent intentions sometimes, for example inciting riots, sedition, armed rebellion, etc. That doesn't necessarily make it "thought police", just a legal grey area that requires interpretation.

[twa]

he has not reached that point that I have seen

[pjfootballer]

Sorry. Nubile about guns and laws here. I don't own a gun, but my father does. Mostly hand guns and hunting rifles/shotguns.

I guess the question I want to ask (and it may or may not be a stupid question) about pro gun owners and NRA members is: Whenever a gun control law or issue comes up, why do they/you always scream, "the government wants to take my guns away and trample on my rights to own guns per the constitution?" and do you actually think that a government agent is going to knock on every door to "take your guns away?"

I guess what gets to me is, gun control measures are basically filling out alot of paperwork (or am I wrong about that?) which is what we do for EVERYTHING in our lives anyways. I'm also assuming (maybe I shouldn't) that it would only effect "future" purchases.

Someone enlighten me. I truly am ignorant of guns and the laws as I've never once desired to own one.

Also, beyond handguns and hunting rifles/shotguns (which I don't mind people owning if that's your choice), why do you need assult rifles, machine guns or guns that shoot hundreds of rounds a minute that would literally cut someone in half?

Really curious about my last questions.

[PleaseBlitz]

:munchout:

[twa]

PJ....it would not be the first time guns were collected and the populace disarmed.

a better question would be why should I not be allowed whatever?

Justifying denying me ,or imposing, should be the default....not why I need it

[rictus58]

^Answering a question with a question is in poor taste.

Pj, with regards to machine guns, you CAN get them, but it's my understanding that the required permit to own one can only be given by the ATF. as to why someone needs one? Dunno. To kill the government workers who will try to take them away?

[Bang]

When he breaks the law is usually a good place

they are not thought police, nor should they be

Yeah, i get that.

for the record, Castro called himself a revolutionary patriot, too.

~Bang