visionary Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Well, I hope she holds and doesn't fold. I want her to say she won't support a bill that will be a huge transfer of wealth from us 99%ers to the 1%ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Was just checking the Post, kinda demoralizing that the four GOP senators that don't want to vote for this want it to go further. Was hoping maybe it would be some moderates standing up to the cause, but apparently they don't give a **** about us either. My only hope is since the Medicad funding is going to get rolled back more slowly, that someone else will get in the White House and stop it in its tracks. People keep talking about how a public option isn't viable, yet 14% of the population is on Medicare and a 1/5 of our population is on Medicad already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 8 hours ago, No Excuses said: Tax cuts and entitlement reform under the disguise of health care reform. Oh well. We get what we vote for: 2 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: I want her to say she won't support a bill that will be a huge transfer of wealth from us 99%ers to the 1%ers. +1 This is wealth redistribution, pure and simple. It's evil. It will kill the poor in droves and have far reaching damage on poor rural rural towns whose largest employer is a hospital system. It will spike unemployment, shutter hospitals, severely cut access to all kinds of healthcare, exacerbate public health problems, kill property values, and damage schools even further. This bill is a travesty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: +1 This is wealth redistribution, pure and simple. It's evil. It will kill the poor in droves and have far reaching damage on poor rural rural towns whose largest employer is a hospital system. It will spike unemployment, shutter hospitals, severely cut access to all kinds of healthcare, exacerbate public health problems, kill property values, and damage schools even further. This bill is a travesty. thats the point. They want to kill the poor and unhealthy. I do not like conspiracy theories but this sounds like population control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) McConnell, what a creep. Edited June 23, 2017 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't think any one person has done more harm to the country since the GWB administration than McConnell. He's vermin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Quote Hello, suckers. Yeah, you. All of you. All of you people who've been buying what the radicalized Republican party has been selling you since Reagan rode out of Trickledown Gulch back in 1980. All of you who easily gobbled up the fictions about welfare queens, and "crazy checks," and big black bucks buying T-Bone steaks, and, most recently, of immigrants come to steal your jobs and cut your throats in the night. All of you who worried so profoundly about your neighbors who were black, or Hispanic, or Muslim that you handed the government to the people who have been picking your pocket and selling off your birthright for going on four decades.......... http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55824/senate-republican-healthcare-bill/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, LD0506 said: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55824/senate-republican-healthcare-bill/ It won't matter to Trump/GOP supporters until they actually are impacted negatively from his policies. In the meantime, just keep deporting people, bash the media, claim democrats obstruct and keep ****ing over America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, LD0506 said: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55824/senate-republican-healthcare-bill/ The son of a **** can write. He's right, and pieces like that one are satisfying for the purposes of venting. But they're not helpful. If you're trying to influence people to change behaviors, calling them stupid when they are bamboozled/uninformed/misinformed is both wrong and foolish. IMO, a writer as talented as Pierce shouldn't be writing narrow, spiteful pieces preaching to his motivated, educated, liberal choir. He should be writing for a broad audience. People do not understand this ****. If you're smart and do understand healthcare and can write and have a platform like Pierce does, then try and engage with and influence people. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said: The son of a **** can write. He's right, and pieces like that one are satisfying for the purposes of venting. But they're not helpful. If you're trying to influence people to change behaviors, calling them stupid when they are bamboozled/uninformed/misinformed is both wrong and foolish. IMO, a writer as talented as Pierce shouldn't be writing narrow, spiteful pieces preaching to his motivated, educated, liberal choir. He should be writing for a broad audience. People do not understand this ****. If you're smart and do understand healthcare and can write and have a platform like Pierce does, then try and engage with and influence people. You aren't going to change/influence the behavior of Trump voters no matter what you talk to them about. There is no engaging with them right now. Until jobs don't really come back and health care gets worse, you won't reach them. Even at that point, Trump will simply be claiming Dems are to blame by obstructing and some will parrot that claim. Presently facts and reason do not matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Agreed, We've seen some folks needing things to fail and still refusing to believe why. The same folks who would take the employment numbers from this time last year and say they are junk, then numbers that are not as good this year and say "See, he's getting it done". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You won't reach them no matter what. They are happy to always point the finger of blame away from where it lies. These people have thrown away their autonomy, their power, and their individuality. Impossible to respect. ~Bang 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 It's a tax break, not a tax cut. Cuts are things that reduce rates in hopes of incentivising work/investments, etc. This is a break/loophole - one that conservative thinktanks like The Heritage Foundation advocated getting rid of because the only incentive it provides is to spend more on insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcunning15 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: It's a tax break, not a tax cut. Cuts are things that reduce rates in hopes of incentivising work/investments, etc. This is a break/loophole - one that conservative thinktanks like The Heritage Foundation advocated getting rid of because the only incentive it provides is to spend more on insurance. So you're saying that The Heritage Foundation is advocating for keeping the taxes? Am I reading that correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yup. The tax break they are trying to reinstate is the same one McCain proposed abolishing during his 2008 campaign to pay for expanding insurance...just like Obamacare was based on the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: It's a tax break, not a tax cut. Cuts are things that reduce rates in hopes of incentivising work/investments, etc. This is a break/loophole - one that conservative thinktanks like The Heritage Foundation advocated getting rid of because the only incentive it provides is to spend more on insurance. Which tax related item are you referencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 52 minutes ago, Bang said: You won't reach them no matter what. They are happy to always point the finger of blame away from where it lies. These people have thrown away their autonomy, their power, and their individuality. Impossible to respect. ~Bang Well, Rush tells them all day that it's not their fault. Even if they are on welfare. It's the black single mother in Chicago. That's who fault it is. Again, if you have progressive-minded states who think they can make the ACA work better. They should do it for citizens of that state and at least try to save those people from Trumpcare. Build a figurative wall around them from whatever is being pushed through. If folks in states that want to be like Kansas go through with these cuts and breaks that amount to Wealthcare for those who need it the least. So be it. They won't admit anything is wrong anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, Hersh said: Which tax related item are you referencing? The exemption for insurance. Heritage, then McCain, then Obama wanted to limit deduction for "cadillac" insurance plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I need to watch this closely as I am moving to Texas, on Medicare but may affect my supplement insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Hersh said: You aren't going to change/influence the behavior of Trump voters no matter what you talk to them about. There is no engaging with them right now. Until jobs don't really come back and health care gets worse, you won't reach them. Even at that point, Trump will simply be claiming Dems are to blame by obstructing and some will parrot that claim. Presently facts and reason do not matter. You're not going to influence Trump voters without trying. It wasn't that long ago that working whites of the Ohio valley were a core Democratic constituency. Democrats can't stop competing for these votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Pandering to the trog demographic is not only futile, it's repulsive. If we have to go down the road of just lying more and harder to enable these ridiculous fantasies to garner votes, then just pull the plug, the whole damn thing is lost. IMO the % of the populace that needs to be focused on is the ones that think they can still just stay off the radar and keep their heads down and nothing bad will happen to them personally. "On no, more politics, where's the remote? What else is on?" NOTHING! Nothing else is on, tough **** if its hard, tough **** if you don't want to, this is a big damn deal and you have to get involved! Know what "have to" means? It means you don't have a choice. The trogs are and will just stay the way they are, I do not honestly believe there is any engaging them in public conversation. They have essentially checked out of being American citizens and are hiding in their cult caves scratching Hillary cartoons on the walls with a rock. If and when they ever decide to crawl out and rejoin civilization it will still be here, but I'll be damned if I am going to drag any of them kicking screaming out into the light, or even worse don some bloody pelt and pretend to be one to get them to do....anything. Their "**** you every man for himself" mantra is fine, let them live that out but I won't play along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: You're not going to influence Trump voters without trying. It wasn't that long ago that working whites of the Ohio valley were a core Democratic constituency. Democrats can't stop competing for these votes. There is a big difference in competing for voters that were a core Democratic constituency and voted for Trump this time and those that are Trump supporters. However, all those people still need to feel the negative impact of Trumps agenda before they can be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) John Kasich is The Last Real Republican. Edited June 23, 2017 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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