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Vietnam deports Kim Jong-un impersonator ahead of summit

 

A Kim Jong-un impersonator has been deported from Vietnam ahead of the real North Korean leader's meeting with US President Trump in Hanoi this week.

 

Hong Kong resident Howard X staged a fake summit with Trump impersonator Russell White last week.

 

The two were later held for questioning by Vietnamese police and told to cease all their political jesting.

 

Howard X says officials have since told him his visa is "invalid", but says he has received no further explanation.

 

"Satire is a powerful weapon against any dictatorship. They are scared of a couple of guys that look like the real thing," Howard X, who was wearing a black suit and thick black glasses in the style of Kim Jong-un, told reporters.

 

He and Mr White took part in a faux summit in Vietnam's capital, Hanoi, telling reporters they intended to scale down North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

 

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Kim Jong Un took a laborious 2.5-day train ride to meet Trump in Vietnam, and it could be because he's too embarrassed to borrow a plane from China

 

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is taking a 2,000-mile, 2-1/2-day train ride to meet US President Donald Trump in Vietnam this Wednesday, most likely to save face because he doesn't want to ask China to lend him a plane.

 

Kim boarded his family's armored train at Pyongyang Station on Saturday evening, and he arrived in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi on Tuesday morning, the day before his summit is scheduled there with Trump.

 

Kim left his train at Dong Dang, a Vietnamese town by the Chinese border, early Tuesday morning and traveled the last 105 miles or so to Hanoi by car.

 

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While Kim's laborious, three-day train ride undoubtedly gave him a good look at China's cities and countryside, experts say his reason for the journey more likely has to do with pride than with tourism.

 

Last year, Kim borrowed a Boeing 747 plane from Air China, the airline majority-owned by the Chinese state, to get himself to Singapore in June for his first summit with Trump.

 

His 40-year-old, Soviet-made Ilyushin Il-62 plane was deemed unsafe for the voyage at the time.

 

Kim's use of a Chinese plane last year highlighted his apparent reliance on Beijing, which didn't have any delegates at Singapore but saw its global vision dominant at the summit.

 

The North Korean leader did not appreciate remarks about his reliance on China last year, Cheng Xiaohe, a North Korea expert at Beijing's Renmin University, told The New York Times.

 

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****ing amateurs.

Any politico knows that these summits are NOT the place agreements are found, that work is ALL in the pre-game. Trump wanted to look Presidential and KJU wanted the attention KJU got what he wanted Trump looks like a loser.

Thanks again Republicans for this wonderful failure of American diplomatic leadership.

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9 minutes ago, Corcaigh said:

 

Having the meeting in the first place is a total failure in diplomacy.

 

Well, that is 100 percent a matter of opinion and I 100 percent disagree with you. 

 

Trump doing no research or having his diplomats do zero pregame work is a failure, but having no preconditions tiba meating between two leaders of countries is not....

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Just observing that we really don't have a lot of leverage to use here, against a country that actually has nukes. (We didn't have much leverage before they had nukes). 

 

We can do sanctions. But they can't be too bad, because China doesn't want a starving NK on their border. And sanctions aren't that bad when the dictator doesn't give a **** if his people starve. 

 

We used to have the "meet the President" card to play. But Trump gave that one away. 

 

So let's not act like somebody else would have convinced the runt to give up his nukes. 

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38 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Said absolutely nobody with actual experience in North Korea diplomacy and history. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/10/opinions/kim-jong-un-two-faces-conclusion-fareed/index.html

 

 



summit has one benefit, regardless of the outcome. As the two sides meet and talk, it probably ends the idea of North Korea as crazy. Some of Washington's biggest mistakes have been when it has treated countries or governments as 10 feet tall and fanatical or lunatic. And for years, the conventional wisdom about North Korea was that it was unpredictable, irrational and thus undeterrable. After all, people said, just look at the bizarre rituals and crazy haircuts of its leaders.

 

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whatever the risks, it is certainly worth talking to North Korea.

In doing so, we will realize that it is a rational regime. And we will also understand that if negotiations fail, it can be contained. North Korea is capable of being deterred. But it also capable of outwitting an American president, especially one too eager to make a deal.

 

 

The risk that trump got outwitted by Kim in a one sided deal thst

benefited Kim was real, but thus far trump hasn’t made a unfair deal...

 

 

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