Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001; Steve R. Pieczenik

[JimboDaMan]

I know what to believe, and it isn't this.

Exactly. The world is full of tough questions. The kind of silliness that even a moment's reflection will tell you is nonsense doesn't qualify.

[Mad Mike]

Alex Jones is just the platform. It's the guest that is bringing the information. I just listened to the interview on youtube. Great interview.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u/6/xj0pM5FoYbs

Yeah, if you like listening to a moron and a nut express their insanity. :doh:

[visionary]

It seems the crazy is catching around here even. lol

[China]

So he wants us to believe that GWB administration kept quiet about this and gave it over to the Obama administration so they could take credit? OK, sure.

[Predicto]

Alex Jones is just the platform. It's the guest that is bringing the information. I just listened to the interview on youtube. Great interview.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u/6/xj0pM5FoYbs

There is a reason that nutsos go to Alex Jones to express their bullcrap. It is because Alex Jones will broadcast their bullcrap.

Steve Pieczenik is a self-promoting author of bad spy novels.

[mistertim]

It seems the crazy is catching around here even. lol

No kidding. I feel like I need a brain condom or something. This is so ridiculous. And I love how he threw the "9/11 was an inside job" in there also. I guess if you're going to do crazy you might as well do it all the way.

[Bang]

You know how I know this is bull****?

Because anyone with half a brain knows he never really existed in the first place. He's just a composite photograph of 12 random arabs that were taken in the spring of 1999 so they could put a face on the fact that FAA knew that one day two planes would veer terribly off course and knock over the WTC.

The only reason it may come out now is so many air traffic controllers have been caught sleeping on the job.

The timing is so obvious.

Besides, one of my cousins knows a cab driver who swears it's his lips they have been using in the photos, and every time he tries to get a lawyer to fight it, CIA operatives show up at his house and trample his geraniums. (Geraniums are the muslim's most holy flower. They believe the red coloring comes from the blood of MookieMaloomba, the Great Life Turtle.)

Honestly, it's amazing they ever thought they could fool anyone.

~Bang

[KDawg]

~Gnab

Fixed it for you.

[War Paint]

Yeah, if you like listening to a moron and a nut express their insanity. :doh:

Tom Clancy's character Jack Ryan was based off of Pieczenik.

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There is a reason that nutsos go to Alex Jones to express their bullcrap. It is because Alex Jones will broadcast their bullcrap.

Steve Pieczenik is a self-promoting author of bad spy novels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

Dr. Pieczenik received the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) fellowship where he was recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management. In that position he was the created the Office to Combat Terrorism, the Family Liason Office. He reorganized the medical department within the State Department and merged and reorganized the Department of Cultural Affairs and US Information Agency into one organization, the International Communications Agency.

Dr. Pieczenik created first hostage survival courses in the US government and became famous for developing the strategy and tactics for rescuing hostages around the world. Through his hostage negotiation skills he helped save many lives. He developed the basic tenets for pscyhological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government.

Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik continues to consult to the Department of Defense.

[No Excuses]

I had no idea freepers posted on this board.

[Madison Redskin]

Warpaint:

Did you notice Dr. Pieczenik never served under GWB or Obama? Even if he's a "consultant" to the DOD, that hardly qualifies him as "Top Government Insider" during the time the inside job was conceived and executed. But, yeah, I'm sure a top general casually leaked the conspiracy to this dude.

[kubstix]

I tend to believe Osama was killed a few nights ago in 2011. What takes the cake for me is the guy tweeting about the entire operation without having a clue of what was going on. I want to see the pictures too. However, I'm very surprised nobody is stating the obvious conspiracy. The only smart conspiracy worth listening to was that this is a cover up and a reason to start taking troops out of afghanistan. Save the face of the US having spent trillions of dollars on absolutely nothing. The whole reason for going over to Afghanistan was to deplete Al Queda/Taliban AKA Osama Bin Laden. It's done, hes dead, no reason to be over there anymore.

[mistertim]

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[War Paint]

I tend to believe Osama was killed a few nights ago in 2011. What takes the cake for me is the guy tweeting about the entire operation without having a clue of what was going on. I want to see the pictures too. However, I'm very surprised nobody is stating the obvious conspiracy. The only smart conspiracy worth listening to was that this is a cover up and a reason to start taking troops out of afghanistan. Save the face of the US having spent trillions of dollars on absolutely nothing. The whole reason for going over to Afghanistan was to deplete Al Queda/Taliban AKA Osama Bin Laden. It's done, hes dead, no reason to be over there anymore.

Dr. Pieczenik says in the interview that this is one of the reasons why this is happening, to save face if we decide to pull out of Afghanistan.

[Madison Redskin]

Dr. Pieczenik says in the interview that this is one of the reasons why this is happening, to save face if we decide to pull out of Afghanistan.

He also said Obama concocted this story to distract people from the controversy regarding his place of birth. LOL, so he's a birther too.

But nevermind that, he worked for the federal government. Ergo, he's reliable ... at least that's what the people who distrust all government officials told me.

[greenspandan]

patently absurd.

[KDawg]

But nevermind that, he worked for the federal government. Ergo, he's reliable ... at least that's what the people who distrust all government officials told me.

Oh no he didn't!

OH SNAP!

Well played.

[No Excuses]

He also said Obama concocted this story to distract people from the controversy regarding his place of birth. LOL, so he's a birther too.

But nevermind that, he worked for the federal government. Ergo, he's reliable ... at least that's what the people who distrust all government officials told me.

Actually it makes sense. Bush, Clinton, the SEALS, Pakistan and the CIA are all a part of a giant conspiracy to have a Kenyan muslim socialist be the POTUS.

[Predicto]

I guess I'm a top government insider high up in the judiciary.

So let me tell you: The Government only tried OJ Simpson to distract people from the fact that they were building the HAARP facility to create earthquakes and bring about the New World Order. That's why he was found not guilty - it was part of the deal to keep him quiet.

I'm calling Alex Jones right now. See you on the internets!

[PCS]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_042402_pieczenik.html

Partial Transcript,(good grief it's long),of the interview of Steve R. Pieczenik on the Alex Jones Show - April 24, 2002

Scroll halfway down and you get in to the discussion about Bin Laden.

[KDawg]

I guess I'm a top government insider high up in the judiciary.

So let me tell you: The Government only tried OJ Simpson to distract people from the fact that they were building the HAARP facility to create earthquakes and bring about the New World Order. That's why he was found not guilty - it was part of the deal to keep him quiet.

I'm calling Alex Jones right now. See you on the internets!

Later Otciderp!

[War Paint]

He also said Obama concocted this story to distract people from the controversy regarding his place of birth. LOL, so he's a birther too.

But nevermind that, he worked for the federal government. Ergo, he's reliable ... at least that's what the people who distrust all government officials told me.

lol, you should be loving this then. He went to Harvard and worked in a high level of the federal government. You guys believe everything you are told by your government. You should be interested in what he has to say. Your government told you on tv that they killed Bin laden. Then they dump the evidence into the ocean hours after it happened, yet you still believe it without a doubt lol.

Maybe we can coin a word for you guys. 1984ers lol. Faithers (people who believe in their government regardless of evidence or facts.) Hmmm....maybe Fluoriders? lmao

Too many people seem to think that the two words "government" and "country" are one in the same, that in order to love your country, you have to love your government. Wrong. They are seperate.

[Predicto]

lol, you should be loving this then. He went to Harvard and worked in a high level of the federal government. You guys believe everything you are told by your government. You should be interested in what he has to say. Your government told you on tv that they killed Bin laden. Then they dump the evidence into the ocean hours after it happened, yet you still believe it without a doubt lol.

Maybe we can coin a word for you guys. 1984ers lol. Faithers (people who believe in their government regardless of evidence or facts.) Hmmm....maybe Fluoriders? lmao

Too many people seem to think that the two words "government" and "country" are one in the same, that in order to love your country, you have to love your government. Wrong. They are seperate.

Here's the difference between us and you.

We get the official story and tend to accept it unless there are obvious logical problems with the story or reliable contradictory evidence. If there are, we question the official story until our concerns are answered. That is called reasonable scepticism.

You get the official story and automatically disbelieve it, and start searching around for anything you can find to help you believe anything else, no matter how stupid the alternative story is, or how unreliable or non-existent the evidence is to support the alternative story. That is called clownish gullibility.

[PCS]

One of several interesting excerpts from the transcript.

AJ: Alright, I mean there are so many, my point is I�ve had these other guys up and they�re pompous, they don�t even seem that smart. Compared to having another talk show host on, but you seem very intelligent and obviously so, I mean working around all these people. I mean here you are talking about this bin Laden situation � give us your intel on that or what you have heard of the info you have...

SP: Well, it�s not a good situation but it basically says to me that this is an orchestrated type of war and I think that I didn�t want to believe it for a very long time. And then I said that somebody is orchestrating something here with the agreement of the bin Laden family, knowing fully well that he would die. And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spelled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan. Well, he was one of few that knew that he had a kidney problem. That wasn�t well known before. Everybody thought he had a heart disease

AJ: Exactly, but we have him in this American, called the American hospital, and that report was confirmed

SP: That was confirmed that he had kidney disease. So, what happened there is that we have Bush, Sr., Bush, Jr, dealing with the bin Laden family and then going to war with this organization that we effectively created in 1970s and 80s, when we drove out the Soviet Union. And that was the conversion, again blowback, of the young mujahideen where we gave them armament through the CIA again and that was no great secret. Everybody knew that and then there was a blowback.

AJ: They knew the blowback was coming and allowed it to happen. Again, I am absolutely blown away, doctor, because this is in all the evidence that I have. I have over a hundred mainstream articles, government documents, Northwoods, you name it, on infowars.com in the government prior knowledge section. And, to have you up on this show, I mean I didn�t know which direction you were going to go and I just had some of the transcripts from another interview that you did, but it�s amazing and now more and more people are saying it. But look, they created bin Laden, they use him, the family is in bed with the Bushes back in the mid-70s, and you are talking about a stage-managed war. I mean, you just said it. I mean, boil it down for us. What are you saying, a former deputy secretary of state, what are you saying?

SP: Well what I am saying is, I mean as a deputy assistant, what I am saying is that I am coming to the same conclusion that you came to. And that is, and I hope I�m wrong, but more and more evidence points to the fact that somehow, given who the people are that they appointed to the Dept. of Defense, they were civilians who had never been in the military. The same guys who were in Iran-Contra dealings. And then you have the same people who are involved with Saddam Hussein � Cheney and you have Condoleezza Rice who really wasn�t all that much impression and the same whole cast, very tightly controlled and they are managing something that doesn�t make sense to me. And that is, yeah there was an attack on the World Trade Center, yet we don�t really know who did it. And the president shows and says well here I have the evidence that bin Laden did it. Well, if bin Laden did it, then why was the first mention and the first order that was given, and I think you would remember this, so would your audience, is the FBI has to evacuate the entire family. If you were to go into a criminal scene or investigation, you wouldn�t say to everybody there, if you wanted to know who the culprit is, and you say oh that�s the culprit, let�s get rid of the whole family and not ask anybody any questions. That was a big mistake.

AJ: That�s another red flag, another smoking gun that I didn�t even put in my 144-minute tour de force film that�s has so much evidence every 5 seconds, there�s some new document or news release or public statement. You�ve got them, when all other aircraft are grounded, other than the military, you�ve got jets flying out of Florida and Boston ferrying this Royal family out of here.

SP: That�s exactly right. And so the question becomes, what�s going on here? And then the last one is of course is the fourth plane which had seventy-five minutes, in other words, those of you who are particularly � fighter pilots understand this. You can�t fly at about three or four-hundred feet off the ground and at seventy-five minutes out, you have to go out to the Chesapeake and the ocean and you are telling me that we couldn�t get fighter planes in there? When we had already had two attacks and you are telling me that that was not a military pilot who was trained to crash into the Dept. of Defense? That�s unbelievable and that was a sleeper. So, I can�t put that all together, but I�ll put all together and it�s not a good picture, Alex.

AJ: What was a sleeper?

SP: The guy, the one flying that plane into the Dept. of Defense. Those guys were sleepers. I mean you�ve got to explain, does your audience understand what, a sleeper is a concept that came out and it�s actually, they are agents that are trained that came out of the old cold war where the Russians would create and have individuals who were trained to kill and then they would be activated many years later. If you saw the movie, The Manchurian Candidate, you�d get a good idea of that.

AJ: MKUltra mind control

SP: MKUltra mind control, exactly.

AJ: You know this is incredible. We�ve got one of the pre-eminent hostage negotiators, psyops guy, you know, worked with Tom Clancy, worked in four administrations, and then here you are with all the information.

SP: It is very disturbing to me Alex as it is to anyone of our American citizens who is not buying it.

AJ: So why did you decide to start going public with this? Was it getting....

SP: I went public with this, no, I went public, well I�ve always been kind of a maverick. But I was offered an O7, and I said look I work alone, I�m a singleton basically and I work on my own and I work for my country. I never got a pension. I never really got paid much for what I did. I often had to pay back most of the expenses. I�m not telling you how great I am as an American. But as an American citizen, the reason that I went public, the first thing that bothered me was when Vice President Cheney was (garbled) for having had at Haliburton, and that big corporation that he had in oil, which he was given $35 million for all his knowledge in oil which he had none of, he had been a former secretary of defense, he had put in a embargo on Iraq and then he denied that he didn�t know anything about the embargo � the fact that they had violated the embargo by having a $75 million joint venture with Iraq and at that point I said, that was the straw that broke the camel�s back for me. Cheney was just outright lying and he committed a crime by violating an embargo. And I said these guys are in trouble and I�m going out publicly to say this can�t continue. Not as an American citizen, I�m not going back to war. I�m not going back and letting American soldiers die � for something that may have been concocted or created. It�s one thing if we are attacked by the Nazis or the Japanese or something. I�m not denying that we were attacked. The question is who did what and how it was orchestrated and if it was orchestrated, then we have a real problem and that will destroy our democracy. That�s why I went public � and you know that.

Tough to figure out where to start on that one.

[KDawg]

MKUltra mind control?

Shang Tsung was a part of this?

Damnit, get Raiden here... Stat! Earthrealm must be protected!