DM72 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 He was never great, but he was never so bad that you would get rid of him (he was than capable of being carried to great matches and looked like that). Like I said, he spent fifteen years basically in the same exact spot. Secondary title holder/#2 heel/believe world champion at some point. On the WWE round table that included Michael PS Hayes, Jimmy Garvin and a couple of other I forget, Hayes tells an interesting story about the Nikita/Lugar US Title match at the GAB 1987. He says, " We were all in the back thinking/talking about what a cluster**** of a match this is going to be. To all of our surprise, the match was really good." I think the panel was implying that Lugar wasn't quite as bad as some may think. I agree. When I think of someone who can't work a lick, I always come back to Sid Vicious. I can't remember one good match he ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) On the WWE round table that included Michael PS Hayes, Jimmy Garvin and a couple of other I forget, Hayes tells an interesting story about the Nikita/Lugar US Title match at the GAB 1987. He says, " We were all in the back thinking/talking about what a cluster**** of a match this is going to be. To all of our surprise, the match was really good." I think the panel was implying that Lugar wasn't quite as bad as some may think. I agree. When I think of someone who can't work a lick, I always come back to Sid Vicious. I can't remember one good match he ever had. Flair had several paint by number matches that he did. The Flair versus overwhelming power wrestler was one of them. Luger was by far the best at this. Steamboat and Sting also always got great matches out of him. He and Bret had a great Nitro match that I remember. Point being, if you wanted to put together a Best of Luger set, you could find at least a dozen excellent 4-star+ matches - plus all kinds of interesting character work. Granted, these are top workers. But guys like Nash and Sid only had great matches with Shawn Michaels because Shawn would basically treat them like a parallel bar or something. Nikita was nowhere nearly as good as Lex in the ring, but Nikita had an amazing look and unbeatable gimmick. Like I said, Hogan-Nikita at WM II would have set records. By the way, it amazes me how open Michael Hayes is in critiquing in-ring work when that guy went years without wrestling because he was so terrible at it. I mean, he was really really bad in the ring. (Though Flair got a really great match out of a Babyface Hayes once. Watch it; it's bizarre). Edited May 18, 2015 by Lombardi's_kid_brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Lol...You're absolutely right about Hayes. Speaking of Nikita, the time he sickled David Crockett was one of the best interviews of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 So Sting's kid is trying out for the KC Chiefs. He doesn't just sack the QB he Scorpion Death Drops the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Oh my god Kevin Owens just whooped Cena's ass!!' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Owens and Cena from last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vBiGXrDCKw4 Edited May 19, 2015 by MattFancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Cena has now given two bumps pops this month to NXT wrestlers. How can anyone still hate the guy? Oh yeah..I know. Because it's the thing to do now. Have fun with your sriracha and skinny jeans, hipster WWE fans. edit..has Cena become the go to mechanic for WWE? And can a mechanic also be a major star/belt holder? Edited May 19, 2015 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm pretty sure no one dislikes him as a person. It's his character As a person, he's great. He's not booking so I can't get mad at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Cena has now given two bumps pops this month to NXT wrestlers. How can anyone still hate the guy? Oh yeah..I know. Because it's the thing to do now. Have fun with your sriracha and skinny jeans, hipster WWE fans. Didn't he go against Neville too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) This was my first time seeing Owens. The WWE made Owens look like a coward for refusing to challenge for the US championship against Cena. The way the match should have gone was the attack and then have Owens start the match. He instead needs a couple weeks to prepare instead. Once again this type of booking would not be accepted in North Carolina. Fans would have rioted with the championship match not taking place. When a Championship match is promised they better have it. The Promoters of Jim Crocket promotion for the Mid Atlantic Wrestling during the NWA and WCW days knew this. Edited May 20, 2015 by Gallen5862 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I don't agree at all. Owens basically said his belt means more and then whooped Cena's ass. He accomplished everything he needed to as heel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I know he was/is a bully, but man, when Bradshaw came out with that JBL gimmick, it made him a Hall of Famer in my opinion. Dude was the man in the mid 200s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 For some reason, knowing that the JBL act really probably isn't an act makes him a lot less enjoyable to me. I find him the least enjoyable of that broadcast team. And that's saying something when Cole and Booker are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 The state of announcing in wwe is really bad all around No one is good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 This was my first time seeing Owens. The WWE made Owens look like a coward for refusing to challenge for the US championship against Cena. The way the match should have gone was the attack and then have Owens start the match. He instead needs a couple weeks to prepare instead. Once again this type of booking would not be accepted in North Carolina. Fans would have rioted with the championship match not taking place. When a Championship match is promised they better have it. The Promoters of Jim Crocket promotion for the Mid Atlantic Wrestling during the NWA and WCW days knew this. Fans behave the way they are trained to do. Modern fans don't give a damn about titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 This was my first time seeing Owens. The WWE made Owens look like a coward for refusing to challenge for the US championship against Cena. The way the match should have gone was the attack and then have Owens start the match. He instead needs a couple weeks to prepare instead. Once again this type of booking would not be accepted in North Carolina. Fans would have rioted with the championship match not taking place. When a Championship match is promised they better have it. The Promoters of Jim Crocket promotion for the Mid Atlantic Wrestling during the NWA and WCW days knew this. Owens' gimmick in NXT is that he's a prize fighter. He doesn't fight on tv for free. He fights to put food on his family's table. Remember, he said he already had HIS prize & held up the NXT belt. His promo's, he'll even say he knows the Championship pays you more money. You should start watching NXT as it's the closest you're going to get today to those Mid South/Mid Atlantic/NWA days style of booking/storytelling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 The state of announcing in wwe is really bad all around No one is good And honestly, that's probably my main gripe with wrestling, especially the WWE, right now. I think there have been moments that happened recently that have been ruined by the announcers. When Seth Rollins cashed in at Wrestlemainia, they sold it like some straight up booty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Watch NXT tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 The state of announcing in wwe is really bad all around No one is good Every time Cole says "VINTAGE" I want to punch him in the throat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Watch NXT tonightSasha Banks defending against Becky Lynch was ****ing awesome. Finn Baylor stole Gene Simmons bat wings. Think that's the first time since be ever heard a "Olease don't die" chant from a crowd. Enzo & Big Cass are more over then the Caps & Wizards seasons. Kevin Owens walking out in the Cena tshirt was something new. Even got the Cena sucks singalong chant going without him ever saying a word. Also rumor is Destination America has cancelled TNA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Amazing show And Samoa ****ing Joe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 What TNA needs to do is forget about TV. Run their shows live on their website. Charge 4.99 a month for access. Kinda like NXT for half the price of Vince's network. Boom. Gorilla Network For 8.99 you get a monthly ppv added. They move it from Florida to Philly or New York or Chicago. Take it to a real wrestling city like those & get a much better live crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think TNA should seriously think about syndication just like the old days and what ROH is currently doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Announcers/commentators have not been good for probably 20 years. I don't really watch often these days, but I rarely listen to them back in the day. They need a new Roddy Piper type of person that is so good with the mic, that they can have their own segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 20 years? That would include Ross and Schiavone...they were both legendary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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