Bye Bye Florida!

[China]

It seems there are new articles coming out every day:

Melting Glaciers Threaten World Water Supply

Wed Nov 17,11:20 PM ET Science - Reuters

By Ed Cropley

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Mountain glaciers, which act as the world's water towers, are shrinking at ever faster rates, threatening the livelihoods of millions of people and the future of countless species, a scientist said Thursday.

Around 75 percent of the world's fresh water is stored in glacial ice, much of it in mountain areas, allowing for heavy winter rain and snow-falls to be released gradually into river networks throughout summer or dry months.

"For some species and some people there are going to be big problems because mountain areas feed not just rural people but big cities, especially in Latin America," said Martin Price of the UK-based Center for Mountain Studies.

In dry countries, mountain glaciers can account for as much as 95 percent of water in river networks, while even in lowland areas of temperate countries such as Germany, around 40 percent of water comes from mountain ice-fields, Price said.

"It's a huge issue in the long run because once the glaciers go, you're down to whatever happens to fall out of the sky and come downstream," Price told Reuters on the sidelines of the IUCN World Conservation Congress in the Thai capital.

Due to factors such as global warming and air pollution, glaciers, like the polar ice caps, are getting smaller.

Studies show that Africa's highest peak, Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania, may lose its ice-cap by 2020, while the Glacier National Park in the northern United States could well be looking for a new name by 2030.

As well as threatening consistent, year-round water flows, climate change in mountains is threatening the vast variety of species.

Animals and plants in mountain areas, which officially cover 25 percent of the earth's surface, are under threat from the gradually changing climate, as well as loss of habitat on lower reaches which is pushing species to ever higher altitudes.

Eventually, they will run out of places to go.

"What can you do about it? You just have to try and adapt as things go along. You have to be as flexible as possible, but a lot of species are going to go extinct. In mountain areas many already have," Price said.

[China]

Here's a new one that says 15% of India could disappear:

Asia Facing Living Nightmare from Climate Change

1 hour, 35 minutes ago Science - Reuters

By David Fogarty

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - The weather predictions for Asia in 2050 read like a script from a doomsday movie.

Except many climatologists and green groups fear they will come true unless there is a concerted global effort to rein in greenhouse gas emissions.

In the decades to come, Asia -- home to more than half the world's 6.3 billion people -- will lurch from one climate extreme to another, with impoverished farmers battling droughts, floods, disease, food shortages and rising sea levels.

"It's not a pretty picture," said Steve Sawyer, climate policy adviser with Greenpeace in Amsterdam. Global warming (news - web sites) and changes to weather patterns are already occurring and there is enough excess carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to drive climate change for decades to come.

Already, changes are being felt in Asia but worse is likely to come, Sawyer and top climate bodies say, and could lead to mass migration and widespread humanitarian crises.

According to predictions, glaciers will melt faster, some Pacific and Indian Ocean islands will have to evacuate or build sea defenses, storms will become more intense and insect and water-borne diseases will move into new areas as the world warms.

All this comes on top of rising populations and spiraling demand for food, water and other resources. Experts say environmental degradation such as deforestation and pollution will likely magnify the impacts of climate change.

In what could be a foretaste of the future, Japan was hit by a record 10 typhoons and tropical storms this year, while two-thirds of Bangladesh, parts of Nepal and large areas of northeastern India were flooded, affecting 50 million people, destroying livelihoods and making tens of thousands ill.

The year before, a winter cold snap and a summer heat wave killed more than 2,000 people in India.

INDIA AT RISK

Sawyer said India, with a population of just over 1 billion people, is one of the areas most threatened by climate change.

Rising sea levels will also bring misery to millions in Asia, he said, causing sea water to inundate fertile rice-growing areas and fresh-water aquifers, making some areas uninhabitable.

Sawyer said India and Bangladesh will have to draw up permanent relocation plans for millions of people. "I'm afraid that's almost inevitable."

By 2050, China will have built sea defenses along part of its low-lying, storm-prone southeastern coast, while the North of the country faced increasing desertification, he said.

According to the U.N.'s World Food Program, the Gobi Desert in China expanded by 20,230 square miles between 1994 and 1999, creeping closer to the capital Beijing.

Anwar Ali, a leading climatologist in Bangladesh, says about 15 percent of the country would be under water if sea levels rose by a yard in the next century.

Perhaps the biggest threat to Asia in the future will be the shortage of clean water. The WFP says Asia accounts for 60 percent of the world's population but has only 36 percent of the globe's fresh water.

According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), rapid melting of glaciers poses a major threat to the Indian Subcontinent, Southeast Asia and parts of China.

Seven major rivers, including the Ganges, Indus, Brahmaputra and the Mekong, begin in the Himalayas and the glacial mel****er during summer months is crucial to the livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people downstream.

RICH VERSUS POOR

But many of these glaciers are melting quickly and will be unable to act as reservoirs that moderate river flows. This means less water in the dry season and the chance for more extreme floods during the wet season.

Sawyer thinks rich countries, by far the biggest polluters, should look after the millions at risk from climate change or suffer the consequences that could include mass migration or trying to feed millions made homeless by droughts and floods in a world struggling to grow enough food.

Fears of mass migration have already prompted the Pentagon (news - web sites) and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, among others, to study the risk from climate-induced mass migration.

The Pentagon in its 2003 report looked at what might happen if the climate changed abruptly. The result was near anarchy.

"As global and local carrying capacities are reduced, tensions could mount around the world," it said. This could lead some wealthier nations becoming virtual fortresses to preserve their resources.

"Less fortunate nations, especially those with ancient enmities with their neighbors, may initiate struggles for access to food, clean water, or energy," the report said.

Few places are more exposed to climate change than the low-lying Maldives islands, to the west of Sri Lanka, where the highest natural point is under 8 feet.

[China]

It's not just ocean ice and glaciers that are melting, so is the permafrost:

Earth's permafrost starts to squelch

By Molly Bentley

BBC in San Francisco

In parts of Fairbanks, Alaska, houses and buildings lean at odd angles.

Some slump as if sliding downhill. Windows and doors inch closer and closer to the ground.

It is an architectural landscape that is becoming more familiar as the world's ice-rich permafrost gives way to thaw.

Water replaces ice and the ground subsides, taking the structures on top along with it.

Alaska is not the only region in a slump. The permafrost melt is accelerating throughout the world's cold regions, scientists reported at the recent Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco.

In addition to northern Alaska, the permafrost zone includes most other Arctic land, such as northern Canada and much of Siberia, as well as the higher reaches of mountainous regions such as the Alps and Tibet. All report permafrost thaw.

"It's a very, very widespread problem," said Frederick Nelson, a geographer at the University of Delaware, US.

Scientists attribute the thaw to climate warming. As the air temperature warms, so does the frozen ground beneath it.

Data quest

The observations reiterate the recent findings of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report, which attributed the northern polar region's summer sea-ice loss and permafrost thaw to dramatic warming over the past half-century.

Thawing permafrost can cause buildings and roads to droop, and pipelines to crack.

Natural features are also affected. Scientists reported an increased frequency in landslides in the soil-based permafrost of Canada, and an increased instability and slope failures in mountainous regions, such as the Alps, where ice is locked in bedrock.

With the exception of Russia and its long history of permafrost monitoring, global records are insufficient - often too brief or scattered - to determine the precise extent of ice loss, said Dr Nelson.

However, monitoring programmes that are now much larger in scope, such as the Global Terrestrial Network for Permafrost (GTNP), indicate a warming trend throughout the permafrost zone.

Boreholes in Svalbard, Norway, for example, indicate that ground temperatures rose 0.4C over the past decade, four times faster than they did in the previous century, according to Charles Harris, a geologist at the University of Cardiff, UK, and a coordinator of Permafrost and Climate in Europe (Pace), which is contributing data to the GTNP.

"What took a century to be achieved in the 20th Century will be achieved in 25 years in the 21st Century, if this trend continues," he said.

Slip and slide

In Ellesmere Island, Canada, a combination of warmer temperatures and sunny days has triggered an increasing frequency of detachment events, or landslides, over the past 25 years, compared with the previous 75, according to Antoni Lewkowicz, professor of geography at the University of Ottawa.

A detachment event occurs on a slope when the bottom of the active layer - the layer of thawing and freezing ground above permafrost - becomes slick with melted ice, causing it to slide off from the permafrost below.

But in this case, the amount of temperature increase is not so important as the rate of increase, Dr Lewkowicz found.

Mel****er from ice that warms slowly drains away. When ice warms quickly, water pools, creating a frictionless surface between the active layer and the permafrost. Like a stroll across a sloping icy sidewalk, a fall is almost certain.

"We have records from this particular site for about 10 or 12 years," said Dr Lewkowicz. "The years when active layer detachments have taken place have been times when we've had this rapid thaw down at the bottom of the active layer."

The slides may cut a wide swath hundreds of metres across, but extend only 50 or 60cm deep.

"They're almost skin-like landslides, moving across the permafrost," said Dr Harris.

The exposed permafrost, warmed by the air, now produces a new active layer.

Sink to source

In steep mountainous regions, permafrost thaw can lead to slope failure and rock falls.

In these areas, the permafrost ice is in hard rock. Where rocks are jointed, the ice serves as a kind of cement holding them together.

When it melts, the rock loses its strength and falls. A dramatic example of this occurred during the European heatwave of 2003 when a huge block of the Matterhorn broke off suddenly, leaving Alpine climbers stranded.

"It's not just the general warming trend we need to worry about," said Dr Harris, "but these extreme seasonal events as well."

Dr Nelson says that with human-built structures, proper engineering and land use can mitigate permafrost loss.

Tingun Zhang, a researcher at the US National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, reported at the AGU on the particular challenge slumping ground presents to the construction of the Qinghai-Xizang railroad across Tibet, perhaps the most ambitious permafrost-zone project since the Trans-Alaskan pipeline.

Nearly half the railroad will lie across permafrost, and temperatures in the region are expected to rise during this century.

Engineers are using a simple - and long established - trick of cooling the permafrost with crushed rock. Rocks minimise heat intake in summer and promote heat loss in winter.

It is the first time a large-scale project is using the crushed-rock method as its primary solution, according to Dr Zhang.

But not all outcomes of permafrost thaw have precedent, or an immediate solution. One considerable variable is the possible release into the air of organic carbon stored in the permafrost.

In the drier areas, most of the emissions would be in the form of carbon dioxide (CO2). But in the wetter areas, it would be methane, a more effective greenhouse gas.

Scientists do not know exactly how much carbon is sequestered in the permafrost regions, but estimates show it could be up to a quarter of the sequestered carbon on Earth, 14% of it in the Arctic, alone.

"Will the Arctic be a carbon sink, or convert to a carbon source?" posed Dr Nelson. "It's a big unknown."

[jenmdixon]

How much of the permafrost melting/shifting in Alaska under buildings is due to the fact that they are building on it? Just curious...

[Mania]

Florida won't be a suburb of every other state anymore. They will start moving to Georgia and South Carolina.

[NASMTrainer]

I guess people can stop ****ing about the Everglades drying up now.

[Skins4SB]

Wonder where the Bucs and Dolphins go..:laugh:

[twa]

They promised the ocean levels would rise back in the 60's,by now I hoped to have oceanfront property.Lying Yankees:D

[Renegade7]

Originally posted by Skin-N-NY

I guess people can stop ****ing about the Everglades drying up now.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[BG]

Originally posted by SkinsFanMania

Florida won't be a suburb of every other state anymore. They will start moving to Georgia and South Carolina.

No they won't.

I'll see to that.

[SkinnedAussie]

Originally posted by Henry

Actually, I've just been told we've got three days to flee to Mexico, but they've closed the borders, the ****s.

There is plenty of room here Down Under. It's cleaner than Mexico, and there's lots of acreage to go around.

Trouble is, you'll have to choose somewhere inland, ie desert, if you don't hurry.

[halter91]

regardless, it's brunells fault.

[China]

Rising Seas Threaten Islands, Cities, Coasts

By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent

OSLO (Reuters) - It sounds insignificant alongside the Indian Ocean tsunami, yet an almost imperceptible annual rise in the world's oceans may pose a huge threat to ports, coasts and islands by 2100.

Leaders of 37 small island states meet in Mauritius this week to discuss an early warning system to protect against tsunamis and a creeping rise in ocean levels, blamed widely on global warming.

Rising sea levels, now about 0.08 inch a year, could swamp low-lying countries like Tuvalu in the Pacific or the Maldives in the Indian Ocean if temperatures keep rising.

They could also lead to hugely expensive damage worldwide.

"It's often presented as a problem only for developing nations," said Mike MacCracken, chief scientist for climate change programs at the Climate Institute, a Washington think-tank.

"(But) developed countries will be very much at risk because so much infrastructure is at sea level."

Many of the world's biggest cities are near coasts -- including Calcutta, Dhaka, Lagos, London, New York, Shanghai and Tokyo. Flooding could cause billions of dollars of damage. In Bangladesh, 17 million people live less than three feet above sea level.

McCracken and some other experts say that recent evidence of a faster than expected melt of Greenland and Antarctic ice indicate that the rise in sea levels would be in the upper half of a 3.5-34.5 inch range projected by the U.N.'s climate panel by 2100.

Seas rose by 3.9-7.8 inches in the 20th century, according to the U.N. scientists. Thermal expansion -- water gets bigger as it warms -- would be the main cause of rising seas while melting glaciers and ice caps would add volume.

CO2 RISES

The U.N. panel projects that overall temperatures will rise by 2.5-10.5 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100, mainly because of a build-up of carbon dioxide from cars, factories and power plants. Some scientists say U.N. models are scare-mongering.

"We have no reason to believe, as suggested by most global warming scenarios, that massive flooding will occur due to an increase in sea levels," Nils Axel-Morner of the University of Stockholm wrote in a report.

He predicted oceans would gain 3.9 inches by 2100, avoiding the need for extra measures like those to protect Venice, where the city is sinking, or dykes like those to shield the Netherlands.

Others say the world can adapt -- fossil seashells have been found high in the Himalayas and continents are almost always rising or falling. Still, many countries favor caution.

The U.N.'s 128-nation Kyoto protocol, which seeks to curb emissions of carbon dioxide, will come into force on Feb. 16. The United States pulled out in 2001, saying it was too costly and that its targets to 2012 wrongly excluded poor countries.

"The cost of defending cities would be enormous but the value at stake is also enormous so protection makes sense," said Richard Klein, a senior researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.

"It makes less sense to defend agricultural land," he said.

Poor countries would be least able to build defenses, exacerbating the impact of rising seas, he added. "Vulnerability to rising seas has as much a social dimension as an environmental one," he said.

NEW ROAD DESIGN?

McCracken said countries needed to consider whether to build roads parallel to the coast on levies in low-lying areas or further back, with spurs toward the sea. And they needed to stop, for instance, building sewage farms at sea level.

He said a gradual rise in sea levels often caused erosion because, over time, it made coasts more vulnerable to hurricanes or cyclones.

"It doesn't happen gradually. People stay on the coast and then there is a big event like a storm or a tsunami. Then the coastline changes dramatically," he said. More than 145,000 people died in the Dec. 26 earthquake and ensuing huge waves which hit coasts from Indonesia to Somalia.

Scientific evidence from the past varies widely.

Yossi Mart, of Israel's University of Haifa, said that based on structures like Roman aqueducts and the sluice gates of a Herodian harbor, sea levels 2,000 years ago in the eastern Mediterranean were similar to those now.

"In the Crusader times, during the 12th-13th centuries, the principal jetty was built for a sea level which is lower than the present by more than 50 cm (19.7 inches)," he said.

Conrad Neumann, professor of marine sciences at the University of North Carolina, said sea levels jumped inexplicably by 12 feet about 120,000 years ago, based on surveys in the Bahamas. They dropped again almost as rapidly.

"There was no man-made effect on the climate then," he said. "But we shouldn't mess with the climate; it can change in a hurry. If it's a sleeping dragon don't poke it with a stick: our stick might be carbon dioxide."

[China]

Follow-up:

Study: Will rising ocean submerge part of South Florida?

By Andy Reid | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

May 15, 2008

Sebring - Polar bears and their melting habitat sent a wake-up call to South Florida water managers Wednesday.

The same day the federal government added the polar bear to the endangered species list because of global warming, South Florida water managers agreed to take a yearlong look at how melting ice could raise sea levels that could claim the southern part of the state.

The South Florida Water Management District's long-term plans once anticipated the sea level rising about 1 foot by 2100, but more recent projections say the rise could be five times as much.

That could move the southern tip of Florida's mainland to the Tamiami Trail and submerge swaths of some of the most populated areas along the southeast coast.

Click on the link for the full article

[twa]

They have been promising that for decades.

When am I gonna get the waterfront property I planned for when I bought on high ground?...I ain't gonna live forever ya know.

[China]

They have been promising that for decades.

When am I gonna get the waterfront property I planned for when I bought on high ground?...I ain't gonna live forever ya know.

Decades? I thought in the '70s they were worried about global cooling, now you're saying they've been claiming melting ice and flooding for decades?

Anyway, since you're in Texas, here is the map that includes your area.

[Corcaigh]

They have been promising that for decades.

When am I gonna get the waterfront property I planned for when I bought on high ground?...I ain't gonna live forever ya know.

Yeah. I bought that property in Nevada a few years back on the condition that it would be oceanfront when the big earthquake hit California, but all I got is a view of sand and rocks at the moment.

[SkinsOrlando]

Whoo hoo, Orlando is safe, and the ocean can have miami back.

[pjfootballer]

Good thing I moved from West Palm a couple of years ago. I might have needed to invest in some hip waders.

[China]

Seas rising faster than projected, low areas threatened - study

DOHA, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Sea levels are rising 60 percent faster than U.N. projections, threatening low-lying areas from Miami to the Maldives, a study said on Wednesday.

The report, issued during U.N. talks in Qatar on combating climate change, also said temperatures were creeping higher in line with U.N. scenarios, rejecting hopes the rate had been exaggerated.

"Global warming has not slowed down, (nor is it) lagging behind the projections," said Stefan Rahmstorf, lead author at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research that compared U.N. projections to what has actually happened from the early 1990s to 2011.

The study said sea levels had been rising by 3.2 mm (0.1 inch) a year according to satellite data, 60 percent faster than the 2mm annaul rise projected by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) over that period.

Click on the link for the full article

[Mad Mike]

http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1246/

ARE THE POLAR ICE CAPS REALLY MELTING?

Written June 20, 2001

By Joe D'Aleo

Chief WSI/INTELLICAST Meteorologist

Among the many environmental stories we have heard in recent years is that the polar ice caps are in rapid decline, causing sea levels to rise rapidly, another sure sign that global warming is here and already a problem. There was even a news story this past year suggesting that at the current rate of decline, the arctic ice could vanish in just a few decades.

Is the ice really vanishing? When we look at the data (like the snow cover over the continents in the middle-latitude winters) we find rather large year-to-year differences in the polar ice cover, however the longer-term trends are not what these news reports may lead you to believe.

The data indeed does show that the ice cover extent in both hemispheres is less now than a quarter century ago, but the decline was compressed into a few years during the 1970s. And, in fact, the ice cover has either been steady or slowly increasing since then.

THE REAL CAUSES ARE PROBABLY IN AND OVER THE OCEANS

These changes may have very little to do with any CO2 warming, but are examples of cyclical changes that have probably always been happening. The cause is more likely to be slowly varying ocean circulations and related atmospheric changes.

We have reported on such changes in recent stories. In the Atlantic, the North Atlantic Oscillation changed from a predominantly negative mode in the period from the 1940s to the 1970s to a predominantly positive mode from then until 1995 when it again changed to negative.

During the positive phases of the NAO, stronger southwesterly winds in the North Atlantic drive a faster current under the arctic ice, causing it to thin from the bottom. In the negative phase, the winds diminish or even turn easterly and the sub-ice current weakens, allowing it to thicken. See http://www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm.

Greenland icecap studies by NASA have shown a mixed picture with some thinning, especially near the edges and some thickening, especially near the core. Again the ice cover here is very likely affected by the same cyclical changes in the North Atlantic oceans and atmosphere.

Researchers at the Jet Propulsion Lab and the University of Washington have published papers on similar cycles in the Pacific, which they call the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. It changed mode around 1977 and again in 1997.

The PDO affects the frequency and strength of El Nino and La Nina events and through them has an influence on mean global weather patterns. During the so-called cool phase of the PDO (1947-77), we saw twice as many La Ninas as El Ninos, La Ninas were stronger and often lasted longer then the El Ninos. In the warm phase from 1977 to 1997, we saw the opposite with twice as many El Ninos as La Ninas. The El Ninos were stronger and often lasted longer than the La Ninas. El Ninos have an overall warming affect on both land and sea, while La Ninas favor cooling.

These cycle phase shifts in the Atlantic and Pacific 1970s and again the middle 1990s correspond well with the trend changes in the ice extent near both the north and south poles. And if these cycles are responsible, then one might expect the new "increasing or increased ice" trends to continue for some time as these cycles historically have lasted for a few decades.

GLOBAL WARMING COULD, AT LEAST FOR A TIME, LEAD TO MORE ICE AND SNOW IN POLAR REGIONS…NOT LESS

One last point on this subject is warranted. High latitude warming does not automatically mean a rapid melting of the polar ice would take place. In fact, it might very well mean more snow and ice cover. Take Antarctica for example. The South Pole averages more than 50 degrees below zero annually and averages below the freezing mark even during the warmest month. Warming of a few degrees would certainly not cause massive melting, but rather more snow and an increasing snow pack. This paradoxical effect is called the Simpson Effect, after a British Scientist who decades ago proposed that a moderate warming would lead to more snow and ice in high latitudes. This is because warmer (though still well below freezing) temperatures would bring more moisture and thus greater snowfall.

Ironically, this could in fact lead to a fall in sea level, as moisture evaporated from the oceans would be semi-permanently deposited in the form of snow and ice in high latitudes.

One could speculate that the increase in the Antarctic ice extent reflects the Simpson Effect and is the result of global warming. However, surface observations show 98% of Antarctica is colder than it was 20 years ago, so other natural factors (like the cycles in the ocean or on the sun) are more likely the cause.

http://www.desmogblog.com/joseph-d-aleo

D'Aleo co-wrote (with "computer expert" E. Michael Smith) a report commissioned by the Science and Public Policy Institute to investigate what has become known as "climategate."

Together, they claim to have discovered "manipulation of the temperature data by the U.S. government’s two primary climate centers: the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in Asheville, North Carolina and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) at Columbia University in New York City." [5]

A claim that was proven false. in fact...

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-exposed-internal-documents-unmask-heart-climate-denial-machine

“Efforts at places such as Forbes are especially important now that they have begun to allow high-profile climate scientists (such as Gleick) to post warmist science essays that counter our own. This influential audience has usually been reliably anti-climate and it is important to keep opposing voices out.” (emphasis added)

Note the irony here that Heartland Institute – one of the major mouthpieces behind the debunked ‘Climategate’ email theft who harped about the suppression of denier voices in peer-reviewed literature – now defending its turf in the unscientific business magazine realm.

http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2012%20Climate%20Strategy.pdf

As for his data...

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/cold-cherries-from-joe-daleo/

He wants you to think that Arctic regional temperature was just as hot in the 1930s-1940s as it is today. Note that D’Aleo doesn’t average these six data records to form “regional” data, he overlays them so as to create the greatest possible confusion and uncertainty. But far more important …

Do you suspect that these six stations were “hand-picked” to give the impression he wanted to give? Do you think maybe they were cherry-picked? If so, you’d be right.

Even if you only use data from the GHCN (Global Historical Climate Network), there are a lot more than 6 Arctic stations to choose from. In fact there are 137 stations north of latitude 65N.

The north pole is at the center, the latitude circles are 5 degrees of latitude apart, and longitude zero (toward Greenwich, England) is toward the bottom. Let’s place red circles at the locations used by Joe D’Aleo:

Once again it’s clear. Arctic regional temperature in the 1930s-1940s was not as hot as it is today. Not even close.

The misinformation about Arctic regional temperature is only one of the misleading, cherry-picked red herrings in D’Aleo’s post. But that’s what we expect from him: misinformation. He’s good at that, because, as they say, practice makes perfect.

UPDATE: More on Joe D’Aleo’s misinformation here.

Bottom line, the dude is a paid spokesman and he cannot be trusted.

[Mark Moseley]

I live in Tavernier, in the keys, & it's already started to happen in Ft lauderdale

http://www.local10.com/news/Crews-lay-more-barriers-on-A1A/-/1717324/17569578/-/format/rss_2.0/-/p425ej/-/index.html

They're trying to fight Mother nature & tidal forces but eventually most of So. Fla, will reclaimed by the sea. I live a mere 8 feet above sea level

I'm on a 6-8 month timetable to relocate to Jacksonville, I fear that is too coastal as well

[SWFLSkins]

One can only hope. Florida is a nasty place.

Yeah that is why everyone visits here, then moves here, ....so nasty. That said, party like it's 2099, lol. We'll enjoy it while it's here.

---------- Post added November-28th-2012 at 06:38 PM ----------

I live in Tavernier, in the keys, & it's already started to happen in Ft lauderdale

http://www.local10.com/news/Crews-lay-more-barriers-on-A1A/-/1717324/17569578/-/format/rss_2.0/-/p425ej/-/index.html

They're trying to fight Mother nature & tidal forces but eventually most of So. Fla, will reclaimed by the sea. I live a mere 8 feet above sea level

I'm on a 6-8 month timetable to relocate to Jacksonville, I fear that is too coastal as well

OMG, you better get to Colorado before your feet start getting wet.

[SWFLSkins]

I live in Tavernier, in the keys, & it's already started to happen in Ft lauderdale

http://www.local10.com/news/Crews-lay-more-barriers-on-A1A/-/1717324/17569578/-/format/rss_2.0/-/p425ej/-/index.html

They're trying to fight Mother nature & tidal forces but eventually most of So. Fla, will reclaimed by the sea. I live a mere 8 feet above sea level

I'm on a 6-8 month timetable to relocate to Jacksonville, I fear that is too coastal as well

OMG, you better get to Colorado before your feet start getting wet.

[CrypticVillain]

Follow-up:

Study: Will rising ocean submerge part of South Florida?

By Andy Reid | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

May 15, 2008

Sebring - Polar bears and their melting habitat sent a wake-up call to South Florida water managers Wednesday.

Oh the irony