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[CommanderInTheRye]

Brandon Aiyuk uses "earthy" pictogram to let John Lynch and the 49ers know exactly what he thinks of their latest talk and offer...

 

 

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For those slightly slow on the uptake, "money talks b.s. walks"

 

 

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Edited March 26 by CommanderInTheRye

[PlayAction]

24 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

Brandon Aiyuk uses "earthy" pictogram to let John Lynch and the 49ers know exactly what he thinks of their latest talk and offer....

 

Expensive vet WRs might be a better idea for the Commanders in year 3.  The new QB hopefully will have matured by then and can take advantage of the premiere WR's skill-set.  Let's pick a WR in this deep draft.

[FootballZombie]

7 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

Expensive vet WRs might be a better idea for the Commanders in year 3.  The new QB hopefully will have matured by then and can take advantage of the premiere WR's skill-set.  Let's pick a WR in this deep draft.

 

Aiyuk is awesome but yeah, that move would feel like a luxury right now. I'd rather pick up a draft guy (who is hopefully on the taller side to fill in holes in our lineup)

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[AlwaysBeRedskins2Me]

I feel like Stephon Gilmore is a no-brainer. He fills a position of need. He is very good. He knows Dan Quinn and Joe Whitt Jr's defense inside and out. I don't understand why we seem to have zero interest. I guess he wants more money than we feel comfortable dishing out. That's a real shame because I think he would help our secondary immensely.

[SkinsFTW]

Gilmore is old and probably still thinks he's worth 15+M a year.

 

Just Say No!!!

[Conn]

2 hours ago, AlwaysBeRedskins2Me said:

I feel like Stephon Gilmore is a no-brainer. He fills a position of need. He is very good. He knows Dan Quinn and Joe Whitt Jr's defense inside and out. I don't understand why we seem to have zero interest. I guess he wants more money than we feel comfortable dishing out. That's a real shame because I think he would help our secondary immensely.

Remember that older guys often sign later in the offseason—and the more of an injury risk they are, the more likely they have to wait until after preseason (when their contracts, even if they’re just 1 year, are no longer guaranteed) 

[MartinC]

21 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

Not sure where else to put this, but how much does the new Kickoff rules change people's roster designs?

 

They overhauled the kickoff and the change seems pretty drastic.

 

This is why we have signed at least two free agents who are primarily special teams specialists. Your return and return coverage teams matter again.

[Going Commando]

To me the incentive for teams is still to kick touchbacks.  It looks harder to cover kicks in the XFL style, and unless you've got a kicker who has the skills of a safety, I'd be worried about how quickly a good returner can get past the first level of blocks and then there is nothing but the kicker layered behind.

 

What yard line are touchbacks going to be placed at?

[MisterPinstripe]

2 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

To me the incentive for teams is still to kick touchbacks.  It looks harder to cover kicks in the XFL style, and unless you've got a kicker who has the skills of a safety, I'd be worried about how quickly a good returner can get past the first level of blocks and then there is nothing but the kicker layered behind.

 

What yard line are touchbacks going to be placed at?

The 30.

[Skinsinparadise]

Digesting multiple Keim podcasts the vibe I get

 

A. They really really like Quan Martin

 

B.  Keim doesn't source this thought to them but has harped multiple times that Forbes issues go beyond coaching but is very specific to his technique and play.  And hes not assured a starting spot.  He's more of a wildcard

 

C.  They are stoked about Luvu and Wagner.  they think the LBs will really kick some butt

 

D.  This is more about reading into some of Quinn's comments.  they will use their LBs to blitz a lot.  CBs will play a lot of man

Edited March 27 by Skinsinparadise

[Est.1974]

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Digesting multiple Keim podcasts the vibe I get

 

A. They really really like Quan Martin

 

B.  Keim doesn't source this thought to them but has harped multiple times that Forbes issues go beyond coaching but is very specific to his technique and play.  And hes not assured a starting spot.  He's more of a wildcard

 

C.  They are stoked about Luvu and Wagner.  they think the LBs will really kick some butt

A - that would be a win for us.
 

B- Quinn spoke about Forbes, basically saying his primary skill was being a ballhawk. That’s it I think. I mean, yep he’s a complete wildcard. You might as well assume very little and anything above that is another win.

 

C - when Peters was asked about those two, massive grin, they are awesome. I’m not sure he could believe we acquired both.

[Warhead36]

Quan looked good in the little time he got. I think hell make a fine nickel/slot CB / SS hybrid. Theres gonna be a lotta fun different packages between him, Chinn, and Forrest 

 

I wanna see what Forbes can do under this staff. I dont think the book is out on him yet

[MartinC]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Digesting multiple Keim podcasts the vibe I get

 

A. They really really like Quan Martin

 

B.  Keim doesn't source this thought to them but has harped multiple times that Forbes issues go beyond coaching but is very specific to his technique and play.  And hes not assured a starting spot.  He's more of a wildcard

 

C.  They are stoked about Luvu and Wagner.  they think the LBs will really kick some butt

 

D.  This is more about reading into some of Quinn's comments.  they will use their LBs to blitz a lot.  CBs will play a lot of man

 

If we are going to be primarily a man coverage team they need to try to trade Forbes now for a bag of used footballs. He is essentially a zone corner - though he can play off man.

[Warhead36]

2 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

If we are going to be primarily a man coverage team they need to try to trade Forbes now for a bag of used footballs. He is essentially a zone corner - though he can play off man.

Yeah Forbes is useless in press but could be useful in off man. I dont think our scheme is set in stone though. Feel like we actually have flexible coaches now.

[SemperFi Skins]

Wish we’d go after Kyle Dugger… prefer him over Simmons and don’t trust going in to the season with Forrest or Martin at FS. He can play in the box, CB, nickel, etc. 

[skinny21]

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Quan looked good in the little time he got. I think hell make a fine nickel/slot CB / SS hybrid. Theres gonna be a lotta fun different packages between him, Chinn, and Forrest 

 

I wanna see what Forbes can do under this staff. I dont think the book is out on him yet

Yeah, I wonder about Forrest.  Feel like he can play FS, but don’t think it’s his ideal spot.  He was my favorite defender in ‘22.  If we land a high end FS type, Forrest might be reduced to solely a depth role.

Just now, MartinC said:

 

If we are going to be primarily a man coverage team they need to try to trade Forbes now for a bag of used footballs. He is essentially a zone corner - though he can play off man.

I think Forbes playing off man, with us blitzing (with quality blitzers) could open up more turnover possibilities for him, which could increase his value - whether that’s for us, or in terms of a trade.  That’s assuming he even sees the field of course.  If they’re going purely press man, he may well not.

I also think having one cohesive style of play is going to help these guys a fair bit.  The compounded issues (IMO) of communication problems due to coaching issues and multiple coverage styles, along with lacking a pass rush made life impossible for the defense as a whole, but especially the secondary.

 

On a related note, @RandyHolt might finally get what he’s been looking for from a DC 

 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah Forbes is useless in press but could be useful in off man. I dont think our scheme is set in stone though. Feel like we actually have flexible coaches now.

 

I doubt it is, and we'll probably sprinkle other coverages in but we do know some things. They have said certain spots are billed for more Man coverage and less Zone Chinn (SS/LB) and Luvu (LB/Blitzer). Odds point to a fair amount of shell coverage over the top, mixed with man underneath. Some of that Man could be the basic zone pattern matching which turns into Man, and maybe Forbes wouldn't be bad there. But offenses could still attack that and force Forbes into more straight Man pre-snap if they want to.

 

I think the coaching flexibility is in how they use the middle of the field. The DL, the LB's, and the SS will have extremely flexible roles that shift on opponent/down/distance/etc, whereas the outside CB's and the FS will be more rigid. My guess is they build the weekly defense around pressure packages, getting to the QB, and then fit what coverages they can in behind that. That's pretty different from what we've normally done for schemes, which often felt like building coverages first and then try and keep the QB contained in a slowly closing pocket.

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Digesting multiple Keim podcasts the vibe I get

 

B.  Keim doesn't source this thought to them but has harped multiple times that Forbes issues go beyond coaching but is very specific to his technique and play.  And hes not assured a starting spot.  He's more of a wildcard

 

 

He has mentioned that in at least 4 separate podcasts from my count. He has said that Forbes "needs to put in the work" to be a good corner. He backed down slightly after the 3rd time he said that and stated that he hasn't heard from anyone with the team that Forbes hasn't been putting in the work...but I think we know Keim well enough to know he didn't just create that on his own.

[PlayAction]

1 minute ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

 

He has mentioned that in at least 4 separate podcasts from my count. He has said that Forbes "needs to put in the work" to be a good corner. He backed down slightly after the 3rd time he said that and stated that he hasn't heard from anyone with the team that Forbes hasn't been putting in the work...but I think we know Keim well enough to know he didn't just create that on his own.

 

Forbes was a draft mistake, but Rivera made many of those.  Forget about the round that he was drafted.  How can he be used to benefit the team?  If the answer is nowhere then he should be traded for a 6th or 7th round pick if possible.  I'd try him at FS because that's the only position that I think the team can take advantage of his ball hawk skills.  He's too skinny to play SS.  I don't think he's suited to CB and he's not going to be durable enough to be a full-time special teamer. Fortunately, the team is likely to be in the position to draft another CB.

 

I recognize that downgrading a 1st round draft pick from CB to FS is not a popular idea.  But, what does Forbes do well?    

[Est.1974]

2 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

Forbes was a draft mistake, but Rivera made many of those.  Forget about the round that he was drafted.  How can he be used to benefit the team?  If the answer is nowhere then he should be traded for a 6th or 7th round pick if possible.  I'd try him at FS because that's the only position that I think the team can take advantage of his ball hawk skills.  He's too skinny to play SS.  I don't think he's suited to CB and he's not going to be durable enough to be a full-time special teamer. Fortunately, the team is likely to be in the position to draft another CB.

 

I recognize that downgrading a 1st round draft pick from CB to FS is not a popular idea.  But, what does Forbes do well?    

I agree on the FS try out. 
 

We need to draft a CB.

[SemperFi Skins]

Kyle Dugger

Xavien Howard 

 

go into draft needing OT/QB/WR

[Est.1974]

Just now, SemperFi Skins said:

Kyle Dugger

Xavien Howard 

 

go into draft needing OT/QB/WR

Howard is selling himself to the Texans. 
 

it’s Simmons at FS for me. Or wait until the draft plays out.

[CommanderInTheRye]

Commanders Coach Dan Quinn Reveals Emmanuel Forbes Jr.'s 'Super Power'

 

Washington Commanders cornerback Emmanuel Forbes struggled mightily in his rookie season after he was a first-round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.

 

Forbes Jr. was one of the best ball-hawking cornerbacks in college football history, as he had 14 interceptions and ran an FBS record six back for a touchdown during his three seasons at Mississippi State. Given his ability to take the ball away, Quinn said that's what he and the Commanders' defensive coaches need to get him back to.

 

"I did a lot of work on him coming from the draft before that," Quinn said at the NFL Owners Meetings in Orlando. "The number one thing that stood out was the ball skills and the ability to go take the ball [and] eliminate it. When you have that kind of rare ball skills and return ability with it, that's his superpower. That's I think what makes him so unique. We'll certainly try to accentuate that, but that's the thing that jumped out to me more than anything is he has got this rare ability to find the ball."

 

Forbes Jr. had one interception in 2023, and he was also credited with allowing 37 catches for 598 yards and three touchdowns by Pro Football Reference, two of which came when he was covering Philadelphia Eagles All-Pro receiver A.J. Brown. He also had a 15.7 percent missed tackle rate after he missed seven tackles last season, according to Pro Football Reference.

 

Forbes Jr. also didn't grade favorably with Pro Football Focus, as it gave him a grade of 50.9.

 

With a new regime, Forbes Jr. will likely have a shorter leash as opposed to if he was playing for the one that drafted him last season. With that, the impetus is there for the second-year cornerback to turn things around in a new system. And through the competition that's set to take place under a new coaching staff, Quinn hopes that will bring the best out of Forbes Jr.

 

"It's all about our competition and so we want it at every single position and it's really the central theme in what we do," Quinn said. "Whether we're in the offseason workouts, we're at practice, just to make sure, ‘hey, this is how we're going to start.’ So there's not any different levels of people. Everybody's learning the systems all at the same exact space. The competition would be the one that really drives that and we're really looking forward to working with him.”

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-dan-quinn-emmanuel-forbes

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

So Michael Davis's contract numbers came in, he's right now just barely our highest paid corner at $3.6 million. Forbes is at $3.5 million and St Juste is at $3.4 million. That's more money for Davis than I thought it'd be.