Skinsfan1311 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Why do people in cold-weather cities buy these things? https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-lined-with-dead-cars-in-freezing-cold-a-bunch-of-dead-robots-out-here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: Why do people in cold-weather cities buy these things? https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-lined-with-dead-cars-in-freezing-cold-a-bunch-of-dead-robots-out-here It’s not plug and go. You have to precondition the battery, meaning that you have to get the battery up to the optimal temperature to accept a fast charge," said Mark Bilek of the Chicago Auto Trade Association. So extreme cold only effects Teslas charging and not other electric cars? Or all electric cars? 🤔 Edited January 16 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: So extreme cold only effects Teslas charging and not other electric cars? Or all electric cars? 🤔 I'm guessing all....but it is a Fox news article 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Fwiw combustion cars have their own problems in extreme cold too..but this is definitely a design flaw that I'm sure the auto makers will correct. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just leave Elon outside one night and he’ll figure it out. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 29 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Fwiw combustion cars have their own problems in extreme cold too..but this is definitely a design flaw that I'm sure the auto makers will correct. Absolutely...but the cold doesn't affect the ability to fuel them up😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) So, outside charging flops under roughly -10F…or practically maybe 2-3 days a year affecting maybe 20% of the US population? Doesn’t really seem like a big deal going forward, whether they fix it or not. It does make for a solid Fox News headline tho. Their hard boomer, “I drank from the hose growing up”, demographic loves this corny stuff. Edited January 16 by TradeTheBeal! 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 If it’s simply a matter of the battery being too cold to accept a charge it’s a little incredible that this has been allowed to occur in production vehicles. My college undergrad project in 1984 involved charging a battery array and even as spotty drunk 20 year olds we understood the impact of operating temperature on charging characteristics. Every piece of electrical equipment is designed for certain operating temperature ranges. Even if it’s extreme cold your ****ing car being dead is a huge failure. 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I thought Fox News loved Elon Musk now that he was the world's greatest defender of hate speech? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 And here we go... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: So extreme cold only effects Teslas charging and not other electric cars? Or all electric cars? 🤔 All electric cars. Extreme cold (below zero) can cause a range hit of up to 50 percent. Increased air drag, increased heating demand, and decreased efficiency of regen and the battery itself are the reasons. clearly we need to spend more money on charging infrastructure. Edit: If you let your battery go dead (which is what several people in the article appear to have done, as it says it is at the airport, and they had just landed) the supercharger will not charge the battery because the sc requires communication with the car to start for safety reasons. You’d need to jump the 12v battery first (which would also be dead since the hv batter changers the 12v battery) Edited January 16 by CousinsCowgirl84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) The problem mostly seems to be a matter of infrastructure and not having enough charging stations, and people not being properly prepared. Any electric car isn't as efficient in the cold so if you charge on a regular schedule you're going to run it very far down in the cold. That would be common for all cars. For Tesla here, part of the issue appears people's dependence on not a home super charging. The super chargers need time/energy to accept the charge in the cold. So if you run the car pretty far down without giving the car time/energy to prepare and it is cold, you're in trouble. You can tell the car on the way to the charging station that you are going to use the super charge, and it will prepare. It appears a lot of people didn't do that. Got to the charging station, then told the car to prepare, which takes time/slows down the charge in cold, created a backup, and that left other people stuck in line without much charge and in some cases their batteries die. So more super charging stations and people preparing more a head of time solves the problem. Another option would be to have in door heated charging stations. Tesla's are very popular in Norway (top selling car). https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-extends-lead-norway-evs-take-record-82-market-share-2024-01-02/ That isn't happening because Tesla's have an inherent design flaw that prevents them from working in the cold. Edited January 16 by PeterMP 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 55 minutes ago, PeterMP said: The problem mostly seems to be a matter of infrastructure and not having enough charging stations, and people not being properly prepared. Any electric car isn't as efficient in the cold so if you charge on a regular schedule you're going to run it very far down in the cold. That would be common for all cars. For Tesla here, part of the issue appears people's dependence on not a home super charging. The super chargers need time/energy to accept the charge in the cold. So if you run the car pretty far down without giving the car time/energy to prepare and it is cold, you're in trouble. You can tell the car on the way to the charging station that you are going to use the super charge, and it will prepare. It appears a lot of people didn't do that. Got to the charging station, then told the car to prepare, which takes time/slows down the charge in cold, created a backup, and that left other people stuck in line without much charge and in some cases their batteries die. So more super charging stations and people preparing more a head of time solves the problem. Another option would be to have in door heated charging stations. Tesla's are very popular in Norway (top selling car). https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-extends-lead-norway-evs-take-record-82-market-share-2024-01-02/ That isn't happening because Tesla's have an inherent design flaw that prevents them from working in the cold. Makes sense, however, Norway is a little larger than New Mexico, so the infrastructure thing probably isn't as problematic there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 1 hour and 20 minutes? Ouch! https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/winter-weather-presenting-ev-owners-frustrating-challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1:20 to charge from 50 to 90 percent in the cold at an over crowded charger is pretty good. But he probably should have just waited till the next supercharger or until his car got around 20 percent soc. You can charge 5-50 a lot faster than 50-80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I don't ****ing care about any of this ****, but Dead Tesla is a decent band name. Kinda hits like Def Leppard. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 26 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: but Dead Tesla is a decent band name. 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 9 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Beautiful! The only thing missing is Stewart and the rest of the Skids* IYKYK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: I don't ****ing care about any of this ****, but Dead Tesla is a decent band name. Kinda hits like Def Leppard I had a joke here, but all the members of Tesla are still alive.....oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Is this a CrossFit warmup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Corcaigh said: Is this a CrossFit warmup? This is how fancy boys used to keep their glutes tight before Peloton came around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Artist Crushes Tesla with Colossal Olmec Head Sculpture Sculptor Chavis Mármol has never owned a car, but that’s never inhibited his drive. Earlier this month, the 42-year-old Mexico City-based artist (who travels largely by bicycle) dropped a nine-ton replica of an Olmec head onto the roof of a blue Tesla Model 3 in a crushing display posted to Instagram on March 11. Mármol told Hyperallergic that his intention was “to satirize the Tesla brand and its creator.” Made of quarry stone, the large-scale sculpture is a copy of the ancient Olmec Colossal Heads — distinct archaeological remnants of the Olmec civilization that once flourished along Mexico’s gulf coastline around 3,000 years ago. Click on the link for the full article 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 "Sculptor Chavis Mármol has never owned a car, but that’s never inhibited his drive. Earlier this month, the 42-year-old Mexico City-based artist (who travels largely by bicycle) dropped a nine-ton replica of an Olmec head onto the roof of a blue Tesla Model 3 in a crushing display posted to Instagram on March 11." Ok, so who is missing their Tesla? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Hopefully they took the battery out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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