Moving Towards our Future Front Office and Coaching Hires. All the Way to the Water Boy - Adam Peters Hired as GM! The Mighty Quinn is HC Kliff Kingsbury as OC. Joe Whitt jr at DC.

[AlwaysBeRedskins2Me]

1 hour ago, spjunkies said:

 

Dan sure loves his backwards hats. I wonder if he has his hat like that on the sidelines as a head coach. His days in Atlanta feel like decades ago, so I don't remember. It doesn't matter to me if he does or doesn't, just curious. Some people ( especially old curmudgeons) may find it unprofessional.

[MartinC]

2 hours ago, SmallDaddy said:

Does anyone have side by side chart showing the 2023 vs. 2024 coaching staff? 

I think every single 2024 position would be stronger (even the OL coach)

The bar was low. I think we had the worst coaching staff in the NFL last season.

[RWJ]

9 minutes ago, MartinC said:

The bar was low. I think we had the worst coaching staff in the NFL last season.

The only real coach on this team was Randy Jordon, RB coach.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

39 minutes ago, MartinC said:

The bar was low. I think we had the worst coaching staff in the NFL last season.

It will be interesting to see how many of the folks on last year's staff end up with NFL coaching jobs next year.

 

Randy Jordan landed with Tennessee.

 

That might be the list at the moment.  I know some of the guys were just released recently, but they could have absolutely left if they were offered a job.  We didn't hear that anybody was blocked by Washington from taking a job with another club, and frankly I doubt we would have blocked anybody.  

 

I think we retained 3 total coaches:

Tavita Pritchard - QB

Bobby Engram - WR

Ryan Kerrigan - Was assistant DL, is now assistant LB coach and pass rush specialist.

 

That's not a real vote of confidence by the league in last year's coaching staff.

37 minutes ago, RWJ said:

The only real coach on this team was Randy Jordon, RB coach.  

Everybody liked Bobby Engram and he has stuck around.  Pritchard also is seen as an up and comer.

[CommanderInTheRye]

18 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

We're the heist movie of football teams.

 

Quinn's 11. 

 

 

This is how our new, no non-sense and no distractions, coaching staff's gonna saunter in to their first team meeting. 

 

I pity the foolish player that tries to cause a ruckus. Examples will be made.

 

They’re gonna show 'em all who the boss is from day one.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone not willing to go along with the new program will be dealt with harshly...

 

exceedingly harshly.

 

 

 

P.S.

 

Oh, and now you know why Quinn don't go nowhere without his trusty razor cap on backwards.

 

 

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Edited February 17 by CommanderInTheRye

[Jericho]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

It will be interesting to see how many of the folks on last year's staff end up with NFL coaching jobs next year.

 

 

 

You can add two more. While the coaching staff was nothing to write home about, three (Zampese, Jordan, and now Zgonina) have landed similar jobs. I'm expecting Eric Bieniemy to latch on in KC in some capacity. I suspect Nate Kaczor will land on his feet. And Pritchard, Engram, Kerrigan, and Toub all stayed. And then guys like Steve Russ, Cristian Garcia, or even guys like Travelle Wharton or Todd Storm could latch on somewhere.

 

[Est.1974]

7 hours ago, spjunkies said:

 

Bit of a bromance going on. Got to love how stoked they are to be here.

[Skinsinparadise]

13 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Why, if they're refurbishing the stadium, would they not do it now?

 

I get that the colors wouldn't change, but it just seems like the perfect time.

 

Exciting new coaches, owners, FO. About to have our QB of the future (and maybe LBer/leader of the defense which is really exciting).

 

Everyone is going to be excited for this upcoming season. Get all the pieces in place, then boom! New name.

 

I think it was Keim if I recall who said basically

 

A.  They don't care a heck of a lot about it

 

B.  They want to win, get a new stadium, and clean up the current stadium

 

C.  they will probably though indeed get to it because some fans want it.

 

As to why can't they do multiple things at once, etc, including this -- its that they don't want to half ass it when they get to it, they want to focus.  I gather that means to run a real marketing research drill on this.  in their defense, its not an easy task because fans didn't really rally around any name last time, most are hated, so that's a tough pickle for them to figure out, picking the name fans hate the least?  And they will be attached to a name that will be hated by some, that's inevitable.   But I gather they will get to it eventually.

Edited February 17 by Skinsinparadise

[turtle]

Another coach added

[Est.1974]

Wasn’t he specifically mentioned by Whitt in his presser

[Redwards]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think it was Keim if I recall who said basically

 

A.  They don't care a heck of a lot about it

 

B.  They want to win, get a new stadium, and clean up the current stadium

 

C.  they will probably though indeed get to it because some fans want it.

 

As to why can't they do multiple things at once, etc, including this -- its that they don't want to half ass it when they get to it, they want to focus.  I gather that means to run a real marketing research drill on this.  in their defense, its not an easy task because fans didn't really rally around any name last time, most are hated, so that's a tough pickle for them to figure out, picking the name fans hate the least?  And they will be attached to a name that will be hated by some, that's inevitable.   But I gather they will get to it eventually.

I think choosing a new name this time will be met with much less resistance than the first go-round, simply because so much time has passed since we had to change from our beloved name.  Most understand that there is no going back to "Redskins".  The nerve isn't quite as raw as it was a few years ago.  The current name is widely disliked (to put it mildly) and clunky.  Any new name that is even just OK will be seen in a better light because it isn't the "Commanders" brand.  Also, don't underestimate the fact that Dan isn't the one choosing the name as being a huge factor in approval.

 

But with Rales hating the name and Magic in lock-step, I wouldn't necessarily classify the ownership group as not caring a lot about it, if I were Keim.  Certain members may not, even Josh may not care much about what the team is called (which, frankly, is baffling to me that you don't really care about the identity of a team you own, much less root for), but other prominent members do care.

 

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, develops on that front.  But the animosity is not going to go away even if winning ensues, so they are going to have to come to a definitive decision sooner rather than later as to if they are going to change the name.  Keeping the fans eternally guessing and wondering is not a good look.   I understand them not committing right now so early in their tenure when so much is there to do foundation-wise, but they can't keep kicking the can indefinitely.  I believe they understand this.  They have the pulse of the fanbase and they are highly intelligent and thoughtful people.  I'm just so stoked we ended up with this collection of owners.

Edited February 17 by Redwards

[Skinsinparadise]

15 minutes ago, Redwards said:

I think choosing a new name this time will be met with much less resistance than the first go-round, simply because so much time has passed since we had to change from our beloved name.  The nerve isn't quite as raw as it was a few years ago.  The current name is widely disliked (to put it mildly) and clunky.  Any new name that is even just OK will be seen in a better light because it isn't the "Commanders" brand.  Also, don't underestimate the fact that Dan isn't the one choosing theme as being a huge factor in approval.

 

 

Tough to answer this without derailing the thread.  Magic was led into that question, basically with we got to change that right, so what else is he going to say?  So i don't think we know what Magic thinks.  I've heard nothing abut what Magic privately thinks or told people unless someone here saw something i missed?

 

Judging by polls all the others mentioned were disliked in a vacuum.  But did OK in head to heads as to this isn't as bad as the others.  Only popular one I recall was the Redwolves, though some hated it.

 

I am a hardcore fan, I've rooted for this team since the 80s.  I don't think it should be baffiling to you why some fans like me don't give a rats behind about it because I don't agree with your premise that the identity of the team is rooted in the name.  To me that's silly but that's me.  A New York Giants fandom is rooted in the word Giants?   GB fans have deep ties to the word Packers?  Maybe but I know for example a ton of Giants fans and I don't get a sense that the word Giants has a deep meaning to them.  Or Jets fans, etc.  But heck am sure some do.  To each their own and if you see it that way, its cool but i don't think its wild that some other fans don't.

 

But bringing this back on topic, I wouldn't worry, I am sure it will be gotten too.  I get the vibe they are going 100 miles an hour on the stadium 

 

 

Edited February 17 by Skinsinparadise

[Redwards]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Tough to answer this without derailing the thread.  Magic was led into that question, basically with we got to change that right, so what else is he going to say?  So i don't think we know what Magic thinks.  I've heard nothing abut what Magic privately thinks or told people unless someone here saw something i missed?

 

Judigng by polls all the others mentioned were disliked in a vacuum.  But did OK in head to heads as to this isn't as bad as the others.  Only popular one I recall was the Redwolves, though some hated it.

 

I am a hardcore fan, I've rooted for this team since the 80s.  I don't think it should be baffiling to you why some fans like me don't give a rats behind about it because I don't agree with your premise that the identity of the team is rooted in the name.  to me that's silly.  A New York Giants fandom is rooting in the word Giants?   GB fans have deep ties to the word Packers.  If you see it that way, its cool but i don't think its wild that some other fans don't.

 

But bringing this back on topic, I wouldn't worry, I am sure it will be gotten too.  I get the vibe they are going 100 miles an hour on the stadium 

 

 

I did not mean that as a dismissal of your opinion or lack thereof on the identity of the name.  It wasn't meant in any way as "You are dumb if you don't have an opinion on the name".  If it came off that way, I apologize.  And I certainly am not questioning anyone's fandom that shares the same viewpoint as you.  

 

But I do stand by my statement that I just can't understand not caring about the identity.  Especially in this sport because, unlike the other sports, you don't really see the players nearly as much - you see the uniform, helmet covering their faces, and the iconography everywhere.  So the visible identity of a football player is much different than in other sports.  Again, that doesn't mean your view is any less legit.  I just can't relate to that is all I'm saying.  

[Koolblue13]

You go redwolves. Got back to a throw back redskins uniform, but change the feather to a tail and the native American to a wolf and you appease the people who want redskins back (except for the ones who like being mad, but won't go into that) and the people who hate commanders.

 

We should be a good team by next season and we'll have our stadium figured out. 

 

You announce that we're going back to RFK to build the Wolves Den and it almost feels like everything is back to normal preSnyder.

[Skinsinparadise]

7 minutes ago, Redwards said:

I did not mean that as a dismissal of your opinion or lack thereof on the identity of the name.  It wasn't meant in any way as "You are dumb if you don't have an opinion on the name".  If it came off that way, I apologize.  And I certainly am not questioning anyone's fandom that shares the same viewpoint as you.  

 

But I do stand by my statement that I just can't understand not caring about the identity.  Especially in this sport because, unlike the other sports, you don't really see the players nearly as much - you see the uniform, helmet covering their faces, and the iconography everywhere.  So the visible identity of a football player is much different than in other sports.  Again, that doesn't mean your view is any less legit.  I just can't relate to that is all I'm saying.  

 

It's cool, i didn't take it as a shot at my fandom.  

 

For me personally, its about the players, the history, the city.  If its a cool name, cool.  But it doesn't drive me.   But whatever rocks peoples fandom is cool.   

 

The only issue is you are laying out a premise as if that premise is a fact.  My point is your premise is an opinion, its not a fact.    You can't understand why people don't care about the identity.   I don't agree that its about caring about identity.  We all got our own definition of that.  I don't define my own identity by my personal name.  For me, my identity is about my personality.

 

As to this team, having lived in DC years back and love still traveling to the city, the identity for me is with the players, the history and the City.  What they call themsleves doesn't rock me anywhere near those other points.   But if does others, it's cool. 

 

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

You go redwolves. Got back to a throw back redskins uniform, but change the feather to a tail and the native American to a wolf and you appease the people who want redskins back (except for the ones who like being mad, but won't go into that) and the people who hate commanders.

 

We should be a good team by next season and we'll have our stadium figured out. 

 

You announce that we're going back to RFK to build the Wolves Den and it almost feels like everything is back to normal preSnyder.

 

RFK is feeling like a real possibilty.  I hope they can fast speed that process.

 

Been to just one game there in my lifetime, experienced the shaking seats, it was surreal.

Edited February 17 by Skinsinparadise

[88Comrade2000]

They will get to rebrand issue in due time. More important things to be done first. Here’s when I expect the rebrand to occur, the year the new stadium opens. 
 

Say a deal on site and financing is reached by December and construction can begin in the spring of 2025; with an opening date of the 2027 or 2028 season.  You spend 2025 on properly researching and pick a new name. You announce by the end of 25 the new name; saying it will go into effect the year the new stadium opens.

If they to sell those suites and likely PSLs, they know they will need a rebrand.

 

You’ll just have to be patient. It will happen in due time.

[CommanderInTheRye]

A collection of mostly feel good “fluffing” on our squad.

 

Favorite line: “(The Commanders) could be the Houston, Texans of next season…”

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 17 by CommanderInTheRye

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

In reality, the majority of team names across every sport are generic and lame.  The identity is what the team itself is, not the name of the team.  Sure, there is a demo that is very loud about being upset with the name change.  But I wouldn’t confuse loud to mean it’s the majority.  
 

The challenge for the Harris group is not figuring out how to appease the minority of fans that were going to hate the name change, no matter what it was changed to.  The challenge beyond gaining new fans, is getting the indifferent to care about this team again which only happens with winning games, star power and a stadium. 

 

 

Edited February 17 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[88Comrade2000]

7 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

A collection of mostly feel good “fluffing” on our squad.

 

Favorite line: “The Commanders could be this year’s Houston, Texans.”

 

 

 

 

 

I think they are underestimating just how bad this team is. We went 4-13 not only because of coaching but because this team has little talent. 

 

It’s going take more than one season to turn things around. Year 2 is when we can expect wild card.

 

Houston had one thing going for them, a division in transition.  Tennessee was collapsing and Indy was in same boat as Houston. Jacksonville failed down the stretch.

 

We have 2 playoff teams, Philly and Dallas to contend with and Giants are a season removed from playoffs.  I don’t expect Dallas and Philly to decline so much that we sneak in or even win division.

 

Houston has killer schedule this year and likely isn’t repeating their 23 record.

[CommDownMan]

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think it was Keim if I recall who said basically

 

A.  They don't care a heck of a lot about it

 

B.  They want to win, get a new stadium, and clean up the current stadium

 

C.  they will probably though indeed get to it because some fans want it.

 

As to why can't they do multiple things at once, etc, including this -- its that they don't want to half ass it when they get to it, they want to focus.  I gather that means to run a real marketing research drill on this.  in their defense, its not an easy task because fans didn't really rally around any name last time, most are hated, so that's a tough pickle for them to figure out, picking the name fans hate the least?  And they will be attached to a name that will be hated by some, that's inevitable.   But I gather they will get to it eventually.

 

When they get the stadium underway, I could see a rebrand in its inaugural season.  That may be a while to wait, but adding all the signage during construction the lead up to that season would be pretty epic.  

 

By that point they would also have a new team facility, a few years of winning (hopefully).  Combine winning, facility, stadium the hate you mention will land a lot better either way.  

[shemp nixon]

56 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

You go redwolves. Got back to a throw back redskins uniform, but change the feather to a tail and the native American to a wolf and you appease the people who want redskins back (except for the ones who like being mad, but won't go into that) and the people who hate commanders.

 

We should be a good team by next season and we'll have our stadium figured out. 

 

You announce that we're going back to RFK to build the Wolves Den and it almost feels like everything is back to normal preSnyder.

I like the wolf idea, but also maybe the script R in the circle with the wolf tail on the helmets, as a hat tip to the Redskins people. 

[Koolblue13]

6 minutes ago, shemp nixon said:

I like the wolf idea, but also maybe the script R in the circle with the wolf tail on the helmets, as a hat tip to the Redskins people. 

That works. 

[FootballZombie]

If only I had an apple and a knife on me...

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

9 hours ago, Jericho said:

You can add two more. While the coaching staff was nothing to write home about, three (Zampese, Jordan, and now Zgonina) have landed similar jobs. I'm expecting Eric Bieniemy to latch on in KC in some capacity. I suspect Nate Kaczor will land on his feet. And Pritchard, Engram, Kerrigan, and Toub all stayed. And then guys like Steve Russ, Cristian Garcia, or even guys like Travelle Wharton or Todd Storm could latch on somewhere.

I am somewhat surprised Zgonina landed, and landed in Dallas.  That Dallas staff might go from really good to really not good very quickly.  Remember Zgonina was the assistant DL coach and promoted because the players rebelled against the other guy.  

 

Zampese was always going to land somewhere. He was really respected as a QB coach.  Having him land with Morris makes some sense.  Zampese is a true vet, QB guru type who's worked in a lot of different offenses, and the Falcons hired a young, hot shot assistant off of the Rams staff as OC, so bringing in somebody who's respected for some experience is not a bad idea.

 

I always expected Jordan to get a job.  The one I'm surprised about is Zgonina.  Good for him.  Let him and Zimmer underperform together.  

[BurgundyBooger]

12 hours ago, AlwaysBeRedskins2Me said:

Dan sure loves his backwards hats. I wonder if he has his hat like that on the sidelines as a head coach. His days in Atlanta feel like decades ago, so I don't remember. It doesn't matter to me if he does or doesn't, just curious. Some people ( especially old curmudgeons) may find it unprofessional.

It’s the Lincoln Hawk effect if you’ve ever watched Over the Top