Commander202 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, redskinss said: Well that size thing is pretty big for comparison sake. That said, if the two are comparable then why is maye almost universally considered a top 2 pick and Howell slid to the 5th? Sure there was some talk of Howell going early first after his sophomore campaign but it was not anywhere near as loud as the maye talk and that all faded after Howells junior year. Maye more talented than Howell was in college . Just bigger / stronger / and looks more better in the pocket imo than Howell, good mobility also. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Last years Superbowl teams are in meltdown mode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Conn said: Why don’t you just use the search function on this site and read some of the breakdowns members here have posted about the QB prospects. Lots of in-depth opinions on them out there for you to catch up on before you come back here to discuss. Lots of video posted as well I asked the question because he didn't look all that great against the West Virginia Mountaineers in the bowl game. Given he came from probably the same system that Howell was in I don't see how he could protect higher. That's my thinking at the moment I'm sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said: People are going to waste a lot of time talking about a trade down that there is little chance of happening I would have agreed 4 weeks ago. Now I am not so sure. They have a chance to trade down again and completelt overhaul that franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, redskinss said: Well that size thing is pretty big for comparison sake. That said, if the two are comparable then why is maye almost universally considered a top 2 pick and Howell slid to the 5th? Sure there was some talk of Howell going early first after his sophomore campaign but it was not anywhere near as loud as the maye talk and that all faded after Howells junior year. Compare the stats. Watch the film. It shouldn’t be a 5th round vs a 1st rounder. Both should have/should be mid first rounders. They are nearly identical statistically. It’s scary. Maye has the size to push a mid first into a top 5 value. Otherwise, that’s where Howell should have gone, too. But people weee concerned with his size. 3 minutes ago, Veretax said: I asked the question because he didn't look all that great against the West Virginia Mountaineers in the bowl game. Given he came from probably the same system that Howell was in I don't see how he could protect higher. That's my thinking at the moment I'm sorry He didn’t play in the bowl game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: They can't convince us to swap spots if there's no threat of taking Caleb Williams and we might be #2 right behind them. They can trade to someone else? If we want to be guaranteed we bite the bullet and trade up one spot. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Veretax said: I asked the question because he didn't look all that great against the West Virginia Mountaineers in the bowl game. Given he came from probably the same system that Howell was in I don't see how he could protect higher. That's my thinking at the moment I'm sorry I dont think that unreasonable. He is 6 inches bigger then Howell. Same system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Drake M doesn't even have to deliver the play in the huddle as it's signalled in from the sideline each play. Drake's feet and drift are abismal and his decision making is poor at times missing the proper reads or simply passing them up. He's prototypicl NFL size and all, but with such poor footwork it pulls him out of position to make passes catchable. Drake M is a project (2 years, not a turn the key Franchise NFL QB). CW is a jerk. Nobody likes him, giving off Ryan Leaf vibes. Do you want that guy leading the locker room?? I would guess Drake is the best pick and I wouldn't be surprised if neither one of these guys become NFL Franchise QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said: I dont think that unreasonable. He is 6 inches bigger than Howell. Same system 6 inches? What? Howell is 6-1. Maye is 6-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Veretax said: I asked the question because he didn't look all that great against the West Virginia Mountaineers in the bowl game. Given he came from probably the same system that Howell was in I don't see how he could protect higher. That's my thinking at the moment I'm sorry Nothing to be sorry about—you asked a question and I tried to supply you with an answer, there’s months of breakdowns of these QB’s on these boards if you’re interested in reading people’s documented thoughts—including in relation to Howell. There will be plenty more posts to come as well, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, rumplestilskin said: Maye all day. Also I would pick him over Williams. I don't trust the character that Williams is for longevity. I’m not saying you’re off on your assessment but people had character issues about Micah Parsons also. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, KDawg said: 6 inches? What? Howell is 6-1. Maye is 6-4. who said he was talking about height! 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins199021 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I can’t stress enough how much I don’t want Drake Maye. Underwhelming numbers against underwhelming competition he would be a very ugly top 5 pick if anyone picks him there 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander202 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, TheShredder said: Drake M doesn't even have to deliver the play in the huddle as it's signalled in from the sideline each play. Drake's feet and drift are abismal and his decision making is poor at times missing the proper reads or simply passing them up. He's prototypicl NFL size and all, but with such poor footwork it pulls him out of position to make passes catchable. Drake M is a project (2 years, not a turn the key Franchise NFL QB). CW is a jerk. Nobody likes him, giving off Ryan Leaf vibes. Do you want that guy leading the locker room?? I would guess Drake is the best pick and I wouldn't be surprised if neither one of these guys become NFL Franchise QBs. Bottom line is those two have all the tools to becoming a franchise QB. And that alone is why we need to draft them , they have all the tools to succeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mexican Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, bearrock said: With Dallas playing for the conference? Seriously doubt that. This looks like a sure-fire lock if there ever was any. For the first time in my life I'm thinking about betting against WSH just as revenge for all the unwanted stress they given me LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) It may be possible that Williams refuses to play for Chicago. Forces a trade. It's been done before Edited December 31, 2023 by Redskins 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, dyst said: I’m not saying you’re off on your assessment but people had character issues about Micah Parsons also. And he isn’t a QB and there’s been chatter that coaches absolutely can’t stand him (parsons) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It’s going to be a very long few months. I highly advise anyone trying to participate in these conversations does a little leg work before diving in. Some of you are very clearly speaking out of your back ends. 6 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Veretax said: I asked the question because he didn't look all that great against the West Virginia Mountaineers in the bowl game. He didn’t play in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, KDawg said: Compare the stats. Watch the film. It shouldn’t be a 5th round vs a 1st rounder. Both should have/should be mid first rounders. They are nearly identical statistically. It’s scary. Maye has the size to push a mid first into a top 5 value. Otherwise, that’s where Howell should have gone, too. But people weee concerned with his size. Stats never tell the whole story especially in college football. If Howell had continued his progression this year the argument that he should have been a first round pick would be a good assessment in hindsight but since he didn't it's kind of a bad assessment in hindsight isn't it? Obviously nobody knows for sure what maye is going to do, it's a total crapshoot and for every Stroud there always seems to be 3 zach Wilson's but the fact that Howell went in the 5th and maye is going to be a top 5 and most likely top 3 pick would seem to suggest that they don't compare in everything but size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 There’s a lot of smoke about Williams personality, the family, it can’t be ignored and needs to be vetted like crazy. But the football player is ****ing fun to watch for sure! Would love to have a player that means you are always in a game ala Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KDawg said: 6 inches? What? Howell is 6-1. Maye is 6-4. Maybe he's not talking about his height? Edited December 31, 2023 by DiscoBob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, redskinss said: Stats never tell the whole story especially in college football. If Howell had continued his progression this year the argument that he should have been a first round pick would be a good assessment in hindsight but since he didn't it's kind of a bad assessment in hindsight isn't it? Obviously nobody knows for sure what maye is going to do, it's a total crapshoot and for every Stroud there always seems to be 3 zach Wilson's but the fact that Howell went in the 5th and maye is going to be a top 5 and most likely top 3 pick would seem to suggest that they don't compare in everything but size. Did you read what I said? Look at the stats. Watch the film. Why go on a diatribe explaining what I just said? Long few months… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, KDawg said: It’s going to be a very long few months. There is going to be a thread where people are live posting while watching the combine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, @DCGoldPants said: There is going to be a thread where people are live posting while watching the combine. That’s a fun one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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