2024 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Est.1974]

2 hours ago, DWinzit said:

It is all going to depend on how fast he runs. He is going to need to show he can separate but yes, he is underrated by many. There have been a few of us mentioning him and the 4th is his sweet spot

He looks like someone people are going to over think and get caught up in the measurables / testing numbers.

 

Doesn’t he just looks like a very productive player in the making. He’s going to make yards and be a first down machine.

 

Can’t lie, I’m seeing some Chris Cooley there. Get him in.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

10 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

He looks like someone people are going to over think and get caught up in the measurables / testing numbers.

 

Doesn’t he just looks like a very productive player in the making. He’s going to make yards and be a first down machine.

 

Can’t lie, I’m seeing some Chris Cooley there. Get him in.

 

I think a lot will depend on what we do in FA at TE. But I doubt we make a big long-term splash play, more likely a "bandaid" like Gesicki or Fant. I would expect any long-term TE solution to come via the draft. In my mind the targets (realistic) would be Sanders in the 2nd, Sinnott in the 3rd, or the FSU Jaheim Bell in the 3rd/4th. Outside of those three (Bowers IMO is likely unreachable for us barring a trade-up), the folks I like are later on (Theo Johnson, Erick All) would cannot be banked on as being our future.

 

Now if we do sign a Fant or Gesicki, it gives us more time to develop a mid-to-late round TE, but that pick is far from a sure thing. IMO the safest bet would be to try and get Sanders, Sinnott or Bell and pair them with a Gesicki or Fant. 

[Koolblue13]

Sinnott is my guy around 100. Baylor Cupp is my day three guy, but I think he's going to show out at the combine and rise hard.

[Est.1974]

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Sinnott is my guy around 100. Baylor Cupp is my day three guy, but I think he's going to show out at the combine and rise hard.

Yep I’m on Sinnott now at that 100 pick, agree.

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Baylor Cupp is my day three guy, but I think he's going to show out at the combine and rise hard.

Sounds like you might too if he does….

[Chump Bailey]

The Washington TE Jack Westover has made a +30 jump on one of the more accurate draft sites I use. He's a name to keep tabs on IMO. I think he will test well and he is a pretty adept blocker. 

[DWinzit]

32 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

The Washington TE Jack Westover has made a +30 jump on one of the more accurate draft sites I use. He's a name to keep tabs on IMO. I think he will test well and he is a pretty adept blocker. 

Interesting, I wasn't familiar with him until reading this post. Has racked up a lot or receptions 6'3" 248 is what the school lists him at. 4 years academic honors.

[Whiskeypeet]

17 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

Interesting, I wasn't familiar with him until reading this post. Has racked up a lot or receptions 6'3" 248 is what the school lists him at. 4 years academic honors.

Westover was a fantastic player for the Huskies.  Even with all the great receiving talent on that team, Penix used Jack as a safety blanket and he came up big for them when then offense was in unfavorable circumstances.  One of my favorite players on my favorite team.  Good to see him get some attention here. 

[ThatNFLChick]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Watching some Tahj Washington.  Small but electric.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 24 by Skinsinparadise

[Est.1974]

8 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Watching some Tahj Washington.  Small but electric.

I’ve looked at him when looking at Corley, in terms of smaller receivers with YAC ability. Like both, however in terms of the draft you wouldn’t take two undersized received, especially with our need for a bigger guy.

 

I think I like Washington more as a pure receiver, whilst Corley just looks a tougher beast, more physical, probably a slightly broader skillet.
 

But as I say I  do like Washington as the pure WR choice between the two. Corley wins the battle when everything else gets thrown in the mix. That’s why he’s pegged as day 2 and Washington much later I guess.

[Skinsinparadise]

3 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

I’ve looked at him when looking at Corley, in terms of smaller receivers with YAC ability. Like both, however in terms of the draft you wouldn’t take two undersized received, especially with our need for a bigger guy.

 

I think I like Washington more as a pure receiver, whilst Corley just looks a tougher beast, more physical, probably a slightly broader skillet.
 

But as I say I  do like Washington as the pure WR choice between the two. Corley wins the battle when everything else gets thrown in the mix. That’s why he’s pegged as day 2 and Washington much later I guess.

 

I was going to write something up about it, started, then got a call from a client so my post stopped with barely saying a word.

 

Different type of player from Corley.  Corley is the tougher runner,  Washington more electric.  They have the exact same YAC numbers.   Washington has better hands IMO and is the better deep ball threat -- looks faster too.  Corley though is more of the YAC WCO type threat, throw him a screen and he can dart around and bull doze tacklers.

 

I am not as high as some here are on Corley.  I like him, don't love him.  He reminds me more of Pierre Garcon than he does Deebo though a little different from Garcon, too.  His hands are good but not great.  He's OK as for contested catches but nothing special.  But I do like Corley as a first level type receiver who can break tackles.

 

I don't love Washington either, but that's purely because of his size.  He's listed as 5 '10 but am guessing he's really 5'8.  He's looks really fast and exposive.  less than 2% drop rate which is insanely good.

 

Some I notice in the draft community love Xavier Worthy.  But IMO Washington has better hands and is better at tracking the deep ball and is slightly more explosive as a YAC threat.  But again Washington's size knocks him down for me.  I think he can be a good slot Wr in the pros but at his size I fear injuries.

 

More than half his yards (and he has over 1000) is from deep yards.  that's rare in this group of WRs, so the dude is a real deep threat.  For example on that same metric Corley is at about 25%.

 

Back to Corley, I want to see what he runs.  next week. And again don't get me wrong, love to have Corley but am not in the crowd here who feel like he's the ultimate target in that next tier of receivers.  I got some 2nd tier receivers i like better but Corley is in that mix of ones i do like. 

Edited February 24 by Skinsinparadise

[DWinzit]

I'd be thrilled with Corley if they miss out on the top larger WR. He is tough and his thickness and toughness will allow him to thrive in the NFL. He is absolutely one of players I will be intensely watching at the combine to see his numbers.

 

If WR isn't addressed early Washington would be a nice piece to add. I worry about him being too thin but he is tough and fast. Am I correct that he can be a returner also? If so that is a big bonus 

[mhd24]

I figure our picks assuming no trades will be qb (round 1), edge and OL (round 2).  After that, it is BPA (although lb has to be the strongest consideration for r3)

[DWinzit]

17 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

I figure our picks assuming no trades will be qb (round 1), edge and OL (round 2).  After that, it is BPA (although lb has to be the strongest consideration for r3)

That makes sense today but man there are so many needs. The beginning of FA will should make the draft a little clearer. Right now they could easily go with DB,TE, WR or OL2.

[Est.1974]

@Skinsinparadisegreat write up on Washington/Corley. 

[mhd24]

26 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

That makes sense today but man there are so many needs. The beginning of FA will should make the draft a little clearer. Right now they could easily go with DB,TE, WR or OL2.

 

Yeah, that's true.  I figure we will sign an edge (at least one) in FA for sure.  Ditto OL.  That's where our cap dollars will be allocated.  

[Warhead36]

2 hours ago, DWinzit said:

I'd be thrilled with Corley if they miss out on the top larger WR. He is tough and his thickness and toughness will allow him to thrive in the NFL. He is absolutely one of players I will be intensely watching at the combine to see his numbers.

 

If WR isn't addressed early Washington would be a nice piece to add. I worry about him being too thin but he is tough and fast. Am I correct that he can be a returner also? If so that is a big bonus 

Yeah I love Corley. He's got shades of Deebo Samuel, Anquan Boldin, Pierre Garcon etc. Those types of tough, physical, bully type WRs always have nice long quality careers.

 

He'd be a steal in round 3.

[Going Commando]

I've seen low 4.4 projections for Corey's 40 time.  If he runs a low 4.4, he'll be on the fringe of the first round.  If he runs in the 4.5s, his stock is murkier.

 

What worries me a little with Corley is that I don't think he looked super explosive in his release or snapping off his stems in the underneath game.  I remember watching the Deebo Samuel reps from the SB one on ones where he was just cooking the DBs underneath.  That is critical to the success for YAC specialist WRs like them, where they aren't going to be high end deep threats in the NFL.  I also remember watching Laviska Shenault absolutely labor through agility drills looking slow and u explosive, despite his reputation as a YAC star at Colorado.

 

I want to see Corley crush the agility drills, and his combine is going to be really important for him.

[clskinsfan]

Looking forward to watching this TE class at the combine this week. It is seen as a pretty weak class overall. But a couple interest me. One is Cade Stover. He has incredibly soft hands. Not really a dynamic TE. But the guy is as sure handed as it can get.

[KDawg]

I’ve had a lot less time this year with the draft and the time I’ve had has been mostly dedicated to the QBs, but I’ve watched a ton of film on a lot of prospects…

 

I like Corley. He has something. But I think anything before the third is a bit of an overreach. Doesn’t mean you don’t, just need to be sure. 

 

Tight ends Stover and Sinnot. Both 3rd and later. 
 

There are a lot of prospects I love but wouldn’t take before a certain place. Love Benson and Corum, but again, I think the third is the line I draw. 
 

That said, there are a lot of top 2 round guys I’d love.

 

Foregoing the QB discussion: I still love Legette, Nabers and the Ladd.

 

Lots of line prospects but my #1 want is Beebe. He’s a mean destroyer of worlds who has one goal: pain and domination. 
 

Chop is possibly available in the second, though we’ll see.

 

Recent convos make it seem like Kool-Aid May fall a bit but I don’t see him being there in the second.

 

But Kam Kinchens is my dude. I’d love to get him. He’s exactly the kind of guy we need patrolling the secondary. 
 

I saw someone post a few days ago that they think Dejean may be there. Listen… if that happens sign me up but I think there is almost as much chance of Marvin Harrison being there. The guy is a stud.
 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Was trying to come up with a good early third round types at edge.  I do like Isaac don't love him.  He plays bigger than his size and is good against the run.  Not a dominant pass rusher but he has a good first step and plays a bunch in 2 stance, so he would fit Quinn's liking of having a roving pass rusher who is standing up. Plays with a lot of energy.

 

But  I think my guy in that range in Jonah Ellis.  He's a bit undersized so I think he drops partly for that reason.  He's a dude IMO that does need a good combine.

 

But man is he fun to watch. Wicked spin move.  Swim-rip, move.  He has a nonstop motor with super active hands.  Decent against the run too.  Overpursues some.  And his first step comes off just average to me.  But that's a dude that looks to be constantly thinking about how to beat the O lineman.   

 

 

 

 

[FrFan]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

22 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I’I still love Legette, Nabers and the Ladd.

 

 

 

If I had to pick a fav in this draft its Ladd, though i admit I tend to favor guys perhaps too much, I like both early in the process and late.  Ladd is early for me.  As for who I love late in the process will see.  

 

Loved Legette's tape.  Mix Senior Bowl makes me pause a little.  Looking forward to him in the combine.

 

25 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Chop is possibly available in the second, though we’ll see.

 

 

Watched Chop for the first time this morning.  Raw.  But his bend and speed is so wicked that I gather a D line maestro like Quinn would be able to hav fun molding the clay with him.  Best bend of any of the edges I've watched.  I am guessing he's going to destory the combine both on speed and agility measures. 

[Skinsinparadise]

9 minutes ago, FrFan said:

 

 

Yeah Murphy and Kneeland I'd guess along with Isaac and Ellis are likely in that top 3rd round range.  Right now, I'd pick Ellis.  But I am big on athleticism when it comes to edge so I want to see their combines and then come up with a hard ranking.  So am still flexible. 

Edited February 24 by Skinsinparadise

[FrFan]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah Murphy and Kneeland I'd guess along with Isaac and Ellis are likely in that top 3rd round range.  Right now, I'd pick Ellis.  But I am big on athleticism when it comes to edge so I want to see their combines and then come up with a hard ranking.  So am still flexible. 

Thanks for all your work/scouting, really appreciated for folks like me who don't have too much time to watch games and tapes.

Edited February 24 by FrFan