Fox8: Watching porn now requires age verification in Louisiana because of new law. Adult sites pull out (😏) of Virginia due to new law.

[Destino]

19 hours ago, spjunkies said:

 

Porn isn't going to shoot up a place. Why are you so anti being a responsible parent?

it’s weird how some of you liberals and leftists turn into libertarians when porn is mentioned. Should we stop carding people at bars because parents should be responsible? Should we allow tobacco companies to market in ways that make smoking cool to children, because well their parents should be on top of that ****. No responsible parent would let them see such ads, much less actually smoke a cigarette. Wagging your finger at parents isn’t a good faith argument, it’s horse****.

 

and if any parent went to the lengths required to actually stop their kid from watching porn, and monitoring their online activity to verify that their steps were still working… they’d be called terrible parents for spying at not giving their kids an ounce of privacy.

 

 

 

[Destino]

14 hours ago, tshile said:

i started with requiring payment. Outlaw free porn. Require a paper trail and access to money and willingness to spend it that way would probably actually put a dent in things. 

I would love that. Put absolutely every scrap of it behind a pay wall. 
 

but if they tried it, the same people pretending to oppose this current attempt to do anything at all, would come up with why that too is stupid and tell you that parents just have to be more responsible. 

[PleaseBlitz]

It’s sort of weird that there isnt a relatively reliable and relatively non-intrusive universal way to verify a person’s age on the internet. 

[Llevron]

The real problem is people don't trust the government or their intentions. I understand that fully.

 

But if you don't want the government to know you signed into an adult site....what the **** are you looking at? They don't care. They don't have time to care. Why do you think anyone cares? That's weird. Worse case scenario, I don't see how they can hurt you knowing what you yank it to. 

[ixcuincle]

I'm way over 18 but I just don't trust my data on a shady site. I have a license and everything to verify but I don't intend to hand that over to a business that can easily be hacked or worse sell that information to other unscrupulous vendors

 

Come July 1st I will either use my stash or use a VPN.

Also there was someone in here arguing about the morality, let people do whatever they want. if they want to watch two consenting adults (or 3 or 4 or 5!) get it on why shouldn't they. What we do in our own private homes is none of the government's business.

 

It's like that take home alcohol law from Tennessee where they stopped it even though it was bringing the business more money

[Llevron]

 

9 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

It's like that take home alcohol law from Tennessee where they stopped it even though it was bringing the business more money

 

I wonder why they would want to stop something like that. Makes no sense. 

[Larry]

29 minutes ago, Llevron said:

But if you don't want the government to know you signed into an adult site....what the **** are you looking at? They don't care. They don't have time to care. Why do you think anyone cares? That's weird. Worse case scenario, I don't see how they can hurt you knowing what you yank it to. 

Wow, you're right. 
 

It's completely paranoid of me, an RN, who has for example recently received emails telling me that there is no medical evidence that Covid vaccines are safe or effective for children, and which is threatening felony criminal convictions for any school employee who ever says anything that one person objects to, who has been told by the state department of health that all gender affirming care is child abuse, .... to think that my government might do something with a record of what kind of porn I watched this year. 

[Captain Wiggles]

48 minutes ago, Destino said:

and if any parent went to the lengths required to actually stop their kid from watching porn, and monitoring their online activity to verify that their steps were still working… they’d be called terrible parents for spying at not giving their kids an ounce of privacy.

 

I think that's exactly what every parent should be doing. Activate the parental controls on every device their children have access to and checkup to see if it's working. I guess some would consider that spying or violations of privacy but it's certainly better than the alternative of turning a blind eye.

 

My nephews will probably never figure out how to unlock access to the uncensored internets. They no know the code for extra lives in Contra. 🤣

 

 

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

They don't care. They don't have time to care. Why do you think anyone cares? That's weird. Worse case scenario, I don't see how they can hurt you knowing what you yank it to. 

 

Court of Public Opinion is not known for being merciful...I'm thinking more the inevitable data leak and ramifications from it.

 

We don't care what people specifically watch in large part because we don't know.  We shouldn't pretend places of employment won't, depending what they are, if they did.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Renegade7

[The Evil Genius]

As a non parent I'd like to think had I chosen to be one, I would have had an open honest continual dialog with my kids about sex, porn, etc. But I also know how uncomfortable that subject is here with most Americans.

 

I've found that subjects that my parents did talk to me about were the ones that I made the best decisions on, earlier in life. Sex/porn and finances weren't them.. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by The Evil Genius
Trying to be less rude.

[Renegade7]

53 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

I'm way over 18

 

 

[tshile]

1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

It’s sort of weird that there isnt a relatively reliable and relatively non-intrusive universal way to verify a person’s age on the internet. 

This was musks dream with twitter

 

authenticate all humans

 

i have it on good authority they’re making progress 

[Llevron]

20 minutes ago, Larry said:

Wow, you're right. 
 

It's completely paranoid of me, an RN, who has for example recently received emails telling me that there is no medical evidence that Covid vaccines are safe or effective for children, and which is threatening felony criminal convictions for any school employee who ever says anything that one person objects to, who has been told by the state department of health that all gender affirming care is child abuse, .... to think that my government might do something with a record of what kind of porn I watched this year. 

 

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

The real problem is people don't trust the government or their intentions. I understand that fully.

 

I should have been more clear. I mean to say that if you could trust the government, and you are still worried about them seeing the porn you are looking at, then you are weird imo. 

 

I understand why you don't. Fully. That's why I started with that. I don't really trust them either. How could I? That's the real problem. I feel like im repeating myself. 

 

33 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Court of Public Opinion is not known for being merciful...I'm thinking more the inevitable data leak and ramifications from it.

 

We don't care what people specifically watch in large part because we don't know.  We shouldn't pretend places of employment won't depending what they are if they did.

 

I guess. I'm not really arguing that people cant be blackmailed by information or that nothing bad can happen to people if others know what porn they watch. I don't go around asking people if they saw the newest Alicia Tyler flick at work for a reason. I just don't give a **** personally if Moms for Liberty and Exclusion got a hold of the URL and sent it to my supervisor and her mother and I think its a weird thing to worry about. Unless....... and this is where I repeat myself......

[tshile]

I think the most embarrassing thing about this is that our state legislature took its queues from Louisiana 

 

Louisiana ….

[Renegade7]

 

17 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

. I just don't give a **** personally if Moms for Liberty and Exclusion got a hold of the URL and sent it to my supervisor and her mother and I think its a weird thing to worry about. Unless....... and this is where I repeat myself......

 

I also imagine you don't look at gay porn and therefore don't have to worry about anyone finding out about that, either.

[Llevron]

14 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I also imagine you don't look at gay porn and therefore don't have to worry about anyone finding out about that, either.

So your argument is that the government would purposefully or otherwise disclose viewing habits and people could suffer because of that? 
 

ok. I concede that is possible and would be bad.
 

I’m trying to say that if you could trust the government, worrying about them spying on you is a weird thing to do when looking at porn.   Can I not hold both views? I am trying to be as clear as possible here and I feel like I’m doing a bad job at it. 

[Captain Wiggles]

Im not so worried about the government knowing my internet viewing habits or having my personal information. I imagine they already know all that anyways. My concern is some hackers and code crackers having easy access to it from some state run website. Tho once again if anyone really wants that information Im sure it's readily available since I'm registered to vote. The state of NC probably isn't securing that info so swell.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Captain Wiggles

[Renegade7]

32 minutes ago, Llevron said:

So your argument is that the government would purposefully or otherwise disclose viewing habits and people could suffer because of that? 
 

ok. I concede that is possible and would be bad.
 

I’m trying to say that if you could trust the government, worrying about them spying on you is a weird thing to do when looking at porn.   Can I not hold both views? I am trying to be as clear as possible here and I feel like I’m doing a bad job at it. 

 

It's all good.

 

Again, I'm more concerned about massive data leaks into the public domain and the near limitless ramifications from that.

 

Let's not get it twisted, the government has already been caught spying on us with PRISM, probably still are under a different program, and some ruby red hellholes are getting caught lookin around social media for folks trying to get abortions.

 

But massive data breaches usually come from folks that dont care if the law says not to do that and huge part why I believe it's inevitable something like that will happen.

 

To me it's a higher threat what we would do to each other with this information then what the government would do, employment, bullying, worse...

Edited June 26, 2023 by Renegade7

[tshile]

3 hours ago, Destino said:

I would love that. Put absolutely every scrap of it behind a pay wall. 

 

 

I think it would have an added side effect. Based on hearing different podcasts or news segments over time, it seems to me there’s a couple common things about porn:

- it is, or has potential to be, an addictive thing 

- people tend to consume more than what is considered (supposedly objectively) healthy 

- there has been a trend of more… obscure… things taking off in popularity

- this affects how people interact or treat their spouse, or can lead to issues with their spouse

- it can affect how they behave in general and generally is thought to have made the industry a little less… professional(?)

 

and when the profit model is:

- sure we’ll offer a subscription

- but we’d really rather get ad revenue, especially via shady pop ups, and it’d be even better if you made an account you log into every time 

 

you have a lot of effort into creating or catching the trending wave of whatever is going on. And odd stuff takes off because it’s a double dip - you capture people interested in it as well as people just curious like wtf is this

 

if you require it to be paid the profit model shifts to creating content people are willing to pay for. 
 

shady sites go away. 
 

honestly I’d be way less concerned about my kid going to a legit porn site to look at porn. I don’t think I have had a single male friend that didn’t steal their dads magazines at some point in their life. 
 

i have WAY more concern about what happens to when a 10/12 year old starts searching the internet, in whatever way some other dip**** 10/12 year old told him about, and the path that leads down. 
 

up to and including child predators cause that **** happens quick and in unexpected ways. 

 

3 hours ago, Destino said:

but if they tried it, the same people pretending to oppose this current attempt to do anything at all, would come up with why that too is stupid and tell you that parents just have to be more responsible. 

 

to everyone else - if you’ve read his posts including in the parenting thread you’d know destino, as far as what he says, is a good parent who probably is really good at having crucial conversations with his family members etc. 

 

I am not going to pretend I’m good at that. Im probably not despite trying. 
 

but even reasonable parents that believe in the importance of being a good and trusted guide for their children, recognize there’s a problem here and would like a solution. 
 

If your stance is “just be a good parent” then my assumption is you don’t have children, or were lucky and got children nothing bad ever happened to. 

[PokerPacker]

2 hours ago, Llevron said:

I should have been more clear. I mean to say that if you could trust the government, and you are still worried about them seeing the porn you are looking at, then you are weird imo.

Here's a list of things I don't want the government or anyone else to know about my porn habits, regardless as to how trustworthy the entity may be:

• Everything

That list isn't limited to Porn, either.  They don't need to know what my favorite sex position is.  They don't need to know my sexual orientation.  They don't need to know what I like to eat for ****ing breakfast.  It is not for them to know unless I wish it.  It's nobody's ****ing business.  **** off with this "if you you have nothing to hide" bull****.  Privacy is a basic human right, not just something for people hiding nefarious deeds.

[tshile]

Ah, but where are they hiding these nefarious deeds?

 

that’s the real question 

[Simmsy]

4 hours ago, Destino said:

it’s weird how some of you liberals and leftists turn into libertarians when porn is mentioned. Should we stop carding people at bars because parents should be responsible? Should we allow tobacco companies to market in ways that make smoking cool to children, because well their parents should be on top of that ****. No responsible parent would let them see such ads, much less actually smoke a cigarette. Wagging your finger at parents isn’t a good faith argument, it’s horse****.

 

and if any parent went to the lengths required to actually stop their kid from watching porn, and monitoring their online activity to verify that their steps were still working… they’d be called terrible parents for spying at not giving their kids an ounce of privacy.

 

 

 

 

But the law is so terrible and weak that it doesn't actually do anything other than inconvenience everyone. Whats to stop Little Timmy from using dad's (or mom's) ID to look at "Big, Booty Grannies 4"? If he were to try that at the local 7-11 to buy a 12 pack, it would never work. Also, alcohol is much more harmful than watching porn, its not the same thing.

[PokerPacker]

3 minutes ago, tshile said:

Ah, but where are they hiding these nefarious deeds?

 

that’s the real question 

In the hoo-hoo

[Llevron]

22 minutes ago, PokerPacker said:

  **** off with this "if you you have nothing to hide" bull****.  Privacy is a basic human right, not just something for people hiding nefarious deeds.

 

Ok. Y’all are mad cause I said it’s weird to want to hide **** from the government. I get it. I didn’t really mean everyone who wants privacy is a weirdo. I can see y’all have decided to take it that way. I don’t know how many times I can say that is not what I’m saying. 

I envision they really ain’t asking you for much. 
 

Are you 18? 
Yes

Prove it 

 

I guess I need to look at the law and see if they are asking for data to be collected and given to the government or something. I admit I haven’t and I’m assuming that is not what’s happening here. If they are requiring sites to give detailed information back to the local government about what you view when and how long then that changes my opinion on it. 
 

I am sorry I made y’all so mad! Sheesh 
 

[PokerPacker]

4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Ok. Y’all are mad cause I said it’s weird to want to hide **** from the government. I get it. I didn’t really mean everyone who wants privacy is a weirdo. I can see y’all have decided to take it that way. I don’t know how many times I can say that is not what I’m saying. 

I envision they really ain’t asking you for much.

Are they asking for my ID?  Privacy violated.

4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

Are you 18? 
Yes

Prove it 

How do you intend to prove it in a way that ensures privacy?  If they could come up with a zero-trust model that would would be able to verify credentials without the possibility tracing it back to the individual, then we can talk.  But knowing how the world works, both government and business, nobody is willing to utilize this type of model because everybody wants to hoover up as much information as possible.