KDawg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, MartinC said: @KDawg The guy missing from your list is Baker Mayfield. He’s probably a prove it guy at this point. I think you have Fields a touch high as well - but that’s quibbling 🙂 Baker Mayfield should be on my chart... I have added him. As a Prove it. Fields stays you neanderthal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, KDawg said: Using my self created handy dandy chart: Tier 1 - Elite of the Elite Kansas City - Patrick Mahomes Tier 2 - Elite, but not Patrick Mahomes Elite Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers Philadelphia - Jalen Hurts Buffalo - Josh Allen Cincinnati - Joe Burrow LA Chargers - Justin Herbert Baltimore - Lamar Jackson Tier 3 - Franchise Quarterbacks Free Agent - Derek Carr Free Agent - Jimmy Garrapolo Minnesota - Kirk Cousins Los Angeles Rams - Matthew Stafford Arizona - Kyler Murray Detroit - Jared Goff Dallas - Dak Prescott Tier 4 - Teetering on Franchise Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence Miami - Tua Tagovailoa Denver - Russell Wilson NY Giants - Daniel Jones Chicago - Justin Fields San Francisco - Brock Purdy Seattle - Geno Smith Tier 5 - Prove It (They slot in tier 5, but they could easily drop to the end of the list or move up) Washington - Sam Howell San Francisco - Trey Lance Atlanta - Desmond Ridder New England - Mac Jones Pittsburgh - Kenny Pickett Tennessee - Malik Willis Houston - Davis Mills Tier 6 - Journeymen Who Aren't Bad But Don't Fit in the Above Free Agent - Jacoby Brissett Free Agent - Teddy Bridgewater New Orleans - Andy Dalton (think he's a free agent, too?) Tennessee - Ryan Tannehill Free Agent - [REDACTED] (just so I don't hear it from the peanut gallery) Tier 7 - They Exist and Play Quarterback Carolina - Sam Darnold Tampa Bay - Kyle Trask New York Jets - Zach Wilson Free Agent To Be - Carson Wentz Tier 8 - Deshaun Watson Cleveland - Deshaun Watson Tier 9 - Do They Even Have a Quarterback? Indianapolis Colts Jones is a tier below the others. But almost to them. But he is clear pegs above Tier 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. Justin Fields should not be in a Tier 4 in my opinion. He is still very much in the Tier 5 category and dropping. He's never had a game over 300 yards in the nfl through the air, his completion percentage is under 60 and has a career rating of 79.7.. that to me does not look like a "teetering on franchise" player. Edited February 21, 2023 by Tress Is The Way 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Tress Is The Way said: Justin Fields should not be in a Tier 4 in my opinion. He is still very much in the Tier 5 category and dropping. He's never had a game over 300 yards in the nfl through the air, his completion percentage is under 60 and has a career rating of 79.7.. that to me does not look like a "teetering on franchise" player. Another neanderthal! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I could see Baltimore signing D.Jones as replacement for Jackson. Or they sign Barkley if Jones is franchised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 8:13 PM, KDawg said: I really appreciate the springboard. Thank you. Two North Carolina QBs. Very similar stat lines. One who a sure fire first rounder after his sophomore year and wound up getting drafted in the fifth. So we’ll see. All this to say I do really like Howell and hope EB enjoys working with him and is able to elevate him to a dominant QB in the league. It would be extremely timely to jettison a horrible ownership group while at the same time landing on our franchise QB in the same season. Thats how you exorcise demons 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 20 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Will require FOs to buck the trend of rewarding average and regain power with this level of QB. A transition from entitlement to gratitude by the QB must return. It’s fascinating, I’ve pointed it out for years, just look at the NBA and rewind it 10 years. The NBA is ahead of the NFL by about 10 years in terms of how players are managed. Completely bias, but dislike the NBA business model, so holding out hope the billionaires seek power and control—not saying it’s right or wrong… purely selfish and wanting to protect the last standing American team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) Edited February 21, 2023 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Seems all the QBs wanna take their time this year. Carr's brother said he expects David's situation to take a while to resolve as he explores all options. Rodgers chooses to pack it up and disappear for half a week, and we don't even know what the aftermath of that will bring given his brand of crazy. We are hearing stuff about Jones, but I don't see that ending anytime soon. Has anybody heard anything about Geno and the 'Hawks? That seems to be going under the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: Seems all the QBs wanna take their time this year. Carr's brother said he expects David's situation to take a while to resolve as he explores all options. Rodgers chooses to pack it up and disappear for half a week, and we don't even know what the aftermath of that will bring given his brand of crazy. We are hearing stuff about Jones, but I don't see that ending anytime soon. Has anybody heard anything about Geno and the 'Hawks? That seems to be going under the radar. Rodgers went in Thursday. He’s out. He’s just not saying anything. Oh well. He’s currently on a roster. Anyone waiting for him to demand a trade is wasting time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, KDawg said: Rodgers went in Thursday. He’s out. He’s just not saying anything. Oh well. He’s currently on a roster. Anyone waiting for him to demand a trade is wasting time. Is that because you don’t think he will demand a trade, or because you just wouldn’t want us to try to trade for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, woodpecker said: Is that because you don’t think he will demand a trade, or because you just wouldn’t want us to try to trade for him? Because I wouldn’t want to miss out on other good QBs if I was a team in the market while I wait for Rodgers to request a trade and then still may not get him. Oh, and if I do I will need to give up multiple ones and the richest QB contract in the League. Or close. Just too many dominoes. FA Rodgers, yes. Trade for Rodgers who may not even ask for a trade? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 21 hours ago, KDawg said: Another neanderthal! Lol it is okay for some one to disagree with you BUD 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tress Is The Way said: Lol it is okay for some one to disagree with you BUD 😉 That's not my name. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Edited February 23, 2023 by Skinsinparadise 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 9:55 AM, KDawg said: That's not my name. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Moving forward with Howell sure does give us a great opportunity to build the other elements of the roster out. Sign Payne #1 priority. Couple of FA pick ups. Nice set of draft selections in waiting. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Moving forward with Howell sure does give us a great opportunity to build the other elements of the roster out. Sign Payne #1 priority. Couple of FA pick ups. Nice set of draft selections in waiting. This is the way! Howell just needs to dip his toe in the 70% mean QB class pool and Washington will have a competitive disadvantage over most of the league. Come on Howell, achieve competence! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, wit33 said: This is the way! Howell just needs to dip his toe in the 70% mean QB class pool and Washington will have a competitive disadvantage over most of the league. Come on Howell, achieve competence! Yep I’ll buy into that if that’s the clear direction we are going, Bieniemy has all but confirmed we are looking to address the OL issues. We’re going after some FAs in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Yep I’ll buy into that if that’s the clear direction we are going, Bieniemy has all but confirmed we are looking to address the OL issues. We’re going after some FAs in my opinion. Money, opportunity and sprinkle in talent on offense should place Washington at the top to whoever they target at OL. Total opinion, but prefer to stay lean at OL in terms of cap, but would love to see them invest heavily in the draft. Like the idea being floated around to move Cosmi to G, draft an Olineman in the 1st or 2nd and add a guy they like in free agency. Boom, Oline then would an infusion of talent and increased potential to perform well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, wit33 said: Money, opportunity and sprinkle in talent on offense should place Washington at the top to whoever they target at OL. Total opinion, but prefer to stay lean at OL in terms of cap, but would love to see them invest heavily in the draft. Like the idea being floated around to move Cosmi to G, draft an Olineman in the 1st or 2nd and add a guy they like in free agency. Boom, Oline then would an infusion of talent and increased potential to perform well. Brown for LT would be my wildcard, but yeah in general I’m not up for paying 12-14mil py deals on just above average vet OL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 7:51 AM, Tress Is The Way said: Lol it is okay for some one to disagree with you BUD 😉 Say his name, say his name, say his name 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Not sure if this been brought up yet but I find this quote from EB interesting. “Well, I can only base my evaluation on what he did coming out of college. Now I did have an opportunity to see him play in that last game against the Dallas Cowboys. The kid is a dynamic football player. He can make throws from different platforms. You can tell he has a baseball background.” Mahomes also had a baseball background and can make throw from anywhere on the field. Hopefully EB can turn Howell into a mini-Mahomes. Fingers crossed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 44 minutes ago, zCommander said: Not sure if this been brought up yet but I find this quote from EB interesting. “Well, I can only base my evaluation on what he did coming out of college. Now I did have an opportunity to see him play in that last game against the Dallas Cowboys. The kid is a dynamic football player. He can make throws from different platforms. You can tell he has a baseball background.” Mahomes also had a baseball background and can make throw from anywhere on the field. Hopefully EB can turn Howell into a mini-Mahomes. Fingers crossed. Howell was throwing 91-93 mph heat as a pitcher in high school 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 It seems that playing baseball is pretty common for the NFL QBs who have crazy arms and can make those off platform throws. Mahomes, Wilson, Allen, Murray, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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