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18 hours ago, ThatNFLChick said:

The amount of talk today about Caleb Williams wearing a skirt is insane. I understand talking about him sobbing in his mom's arms after games because a player's mental toughness and how they handle adversity is important but all the discourse over him wearing a skirt is ridiculous. 

Did it match his nails...

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4 minutes ago, NOLA2DC said:

Not happening, it's lying season. They're just trying to keep people guessing as long as possible. I think they're taking Caleb. 

Yeah, I don't think the Bears will trade Fields until they have either made their first pick, or traded it.  If they traded Fields before then, it would hurt their chances of getting Washington to pay much to move up.  It would be clear that they were going QB.  Were they to trade Fields beforehand, and then approach Washington, it would be obvious that they had decided to go with Maye or Daniels.  Washington would know that Caleb would be available and would not need to trade anything.  It would also tell Washington that Chicago wasn't going to be trading with any other team, as they would risk missing their guy if they dropped below #2.

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8 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 


Not surprising. I get the sense they would take Daniels at #1 if they were in that position. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them give up a haul to take him at #3 if he gets past us. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Number 44 said:

Yeah, I don't think the Bears will trade Fields until they have either made their first pick, or traded it.  If they traded Fields before then, it would hurt their chances of getting Washington to pay much to move up.  It would be clear that they were going QB.  Were they to trade Fields beforehand, and then approach Washington, it would be obvious that they had decided to go with Maye or Daniels.  Washington would know that Caleb would be available and would not need to trade anything.  It would also tell Washington that Chicago wasn't going to be trading with any other team, as they would risk missing their guy if they dropped below #2.

we wont trade much to swap spots anyways. weve got 3 guys to choose from and are sitting in second spot. we win

 

M Davis has the creepiest hair. shaving that off should be one of our demands

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6 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

Don’t see anyway that’s happening. The moon on a pole held by Jennifer Lawrence wouldn’t swing that deal this year. 
 

Bears, us and Patriots all need QBs in a draft with 3 blue chip QB prospects. 

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They seem to be hinting at the Giants being interested in Penix?

 

 

2 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Don’t see anyway that’s happening. The moon on a pole held by Jennifer Lawrence wouldn’t swing that deal this year. 
 

Bears, us and Patriots all need QBs in a draft with 3 blue chip QB prospects. 

 

There seems to be hints that the Patriots might be willing to trade down and are looking at bringing in a vet (Cousins? Wilson? Tannehill?)

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10 hours ago, FrFan said:

Mindset: The 'Make or Break' of Sports Success!!

 

Callan McKinnon Callan McKinnon Mental Development Coach at Rise Above Adversity
 

 "We all learn lessons in life. Some stick some don't. I have always learned more from rejection and failure than from acceptance and success." - Henry Rollins

Michael Jordan was cut from his High School Basketball Team.

Tom Brady had an NFL draft scouting report that looked like this: Poor build, skinny, lacks strength, lacks mobility, lacks a really strong arm, system-type player, can't drive the ball downfield, gets knocked down easily.

In the early days of boxing, experts used a series of measurements to assess a boxer’s skills. Muhammad Ali failed every single one of them. He was not a natural fighter at all.

 

So how did each of these athletes go from a time where "experts" didn't have a high opinion of their ability to become arguably the greatest of all time in their respective sport?

At elite levels, everybody has a great physical skill set. What separates the best from the rest lies in the 6 inches between their ears. It is their mindset.

 

So, what is a mindset?

According to the Oxford dictionary, a mindset is a "set of attitudes held by someone" - Basically a perspective or a way of thinking. 

In American Psychologist, Dr. Carol Dweck's best-selling book called 'mindset', Dweck talks about two polar opposite mindsets that people adopt. And that success isn't so much derived from intelligence, talent, and education as it is from having the 'right' mindset.

 

Most people think of talent when it comes to sports. It is where the whole idea of being “a natural” was born. A natural is someone who moves, looks, and is an athlete without having to stretch themselves. And since so many people believe in natural talent, many professional coaches and scouts look for naturally talented athletes only to look back and realize that they never really achieved great success. Why? Because they didn't have the 'right' mindset.

 

Dr. Carol Dweck categorizes two different ways of thinking about one's ability and talents into a fixed mindset and a growth mindset.

Individuals with a fixed mindset think that their abilities, talents, and intelligence are fixed (already determined) and can't be changed. They have what they have and that is it. In a fixed mindset, athletes often become so preoccupied with looking and being talented that they don’t realize their full potential. This type of mindset is unfortunately very common and often results in emotional athletes that continually compare themselves to others, driving fearful, hesitant, and rigid actions that limit their results.

The more desirable mindset is known as a growth mindset. Individuals with this mindset think of their abilities and talents as things they’re able to grow and develop. The growth mindset still recognizes the importance of talent, but it focuses on developing and building upon talent instead of using talent for display purposes only and coasting along to success.

How does a fixed / growth mindset affect athletes?

  • Beliefs:

A fixed mindset fosters the belief that talent is something that you are born with and you either have it or you don't. When fixed mindset athletes come up against more talented athletes they perceive their own talent as only being blessed with so much and therefore cannot compete at the higher level.

A growth mindset believes that their talent is a process of learning and is not set in stone. They understand with practice comes improvement. Every rep is lodged into muscle memory and creates autonomous actions and habits. A growth mindset athlete knows to fulfill their potential takes practice, instruction, and repetitive effort.

  • Motivation & Effort:

Fixed mindset athletes are more often linked to being extrinsically motivated. Meaning they are motivated by things outside of themselves. This could be trophies, big crowds, prize money, etc. The challenge with being extrinsically motivated is that there is not always going to be an external reward on the line which creates inconsistency in an athlete's process and result. A fixed mindset athlete is motivated by showing off or even hiding their ability (depending on their perspective on standing out). A fixed mindset athlete relies on their talent and expects things to come easy because they have a certain level of talent.

 

Growth mindset athletes are generally motivated internally. They have a desire for learning how to develop their ability. It is their passion for constant improvement that drives them to consistently work on their skillset. Because they see the results that consistent effort and consistent work on their skillset brings, they truly feel anything is possible when you can understand where to focus your effort. Meaning they learn from those that have succeeded before them and put time into strengthening weaknesses and practice at performance speeds.

  • Adversity & Setbacks:

An athlete with a fixed mindset will generally avoid challenges if they are uncertain if their talent will hold up. This can result in hiding their ability because they are worried about what others might think of them if they look less talented (extrinsic motivation). A fixed mindset athlete will see setbacks as evidence that there are some things that they will never be good at. They believe they only have so much talent, so when things don't go their way they see it as a sign their talent has failed them. And because they place so much importance on talent itself it can cause many fixed-minded athletes to feel ashamed, embarrassed, or just not good enough. Too much adversity can often cause fixed-minded athletes to quit. 

An athlete with a growth mindset embraces challenges and adversity as an opportunity to learn, even if they can't achieve them yet. They have a win or learn attitude, and use the lessons as directed knowledge to help them improve. A growth mindset athlete sees setbacks not as a failure, but as part of the learning process. They know it doesn't define their ability because they know that their talent can always be built upon, improved, and developed with focused effort.

  • Feedback & Accountability:

When it comes to feedback and accountability, a fixed-minded athlete will ignore the feedback that has any type of negative connotation often missing out on any useful information. They only want to hear about what they are good at and keep the focus on their strengths. This often leads to the blame game when things don't work out. A fixed mindset athlete will not take responsibility for their faults which robs them of the chance of learning and improvement.

A growth mindset athlete will learn from criticism and use it to understand how to improve. For many athletes, what may sound like criticism to them is actually just a competitive tone, and more often than not comes with good intention. So it is important, to hear the message that is being conveyed and not the tone. A growth-minded athlete understands that the bus to success is driven by them.

 

"The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary." - Vince Lombardi

There is a boatload of more athletes that had the potential to be great than the ones that actually achieve success. 

The beauty of the mind is that it is a skill set. In the same way that you build your body, conditioning, and sport-specific skill set - you can build your mind. And it all starts with your perspective and the way you think about things. Your attitude. Your mindset.

That first skill that you learned in your sport that is now an automatic behaviour is the same thing that happens when you practice a thought over and over. You may have elements of both mindsets or you may be predominantly fixed or growth. But every athlete is different and has different thought processes which are derived from their experiences.

No matter where you sit on either side of the fence, here is how you can begin to develop a growth mindset towards your sport:

  1. Set Goals & Step into your Fear.

Have a clear destination and go for it!!! The reason why we set goals is to give us direction. Write those goals down in present tense, even if they seem unrealistic now. Put those goals in a place where you can see them and read them daily. The more your mind is produced with what you want the more your mind is trained to see what you want to see. The opportunities, the avenues, the people to help you achieve your goal. Your mind is super powerful when you're clear on what you want. Focus is everything!!

Now that you have your goals written down break them down into monthly, weekly, and even daily success points. This way the mountain doesn't seem so high. If you face a challenge, a setback, or an obstacle, it's easier to dust yourself off and keep climbing.

 

"In order to do something you've never done, you need to become someone you've never been." - Les Brown

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and expect a different result. If you want a new result, you have to add new processes. This change is going to be uncomfortable. The mind's number one job is to keep us safe. Your mind loves to feel in control. It loves what it knows already. When you do new things, you will activate a fear state because "new" can't be controlled by your mind. This is completely normal and part of the human makeup. The only way to move past fear is through action. Take those daily actions and build those new habits that work towards your goals. You will look back and thank yourself later.

 

2. Value the 'Process' Over End Results.

The late great Kobe Bryant, who had one of the most insane work ethics in sports, said that the fulfillment is in the journey. It is getting 1% better every single day. It is creating new habits, choosing self-discipline, and understanding that the little wins create the big achievements.

Consistent habits create consistent growth. A huge focus of the growth mindset is that everything begins and ends with effort. It is the persistence that breaks through the resistance. It is working harder at your skillset than anyone you know. Practice makes improvement. Every rep you lodge creates muscle memory. Muscle memory is what allows you to perform at your peak in a flow.

Every result has a process. The more you value this process, the more you get out of it. Your goals create the path. Your mind chooses whether you follow it or not. The process is built on habits. Instill the habits that take you where you want to go. The first 10 days are always the hardest, but with repetitive action, each day becomes easier. It's your life. It's your goal. It's your journey. Enjoy it.

 

3. Incorporate the word 'Yet'.

You will never know everything about your sport. There will always be new ways of doing things, there will be new strategies, and the game as you know will adapt. Your role is to be a student of the game. Always listening and always learning. Embrace imperfection as you learn and grow. Everything has a process. A skill can always be learned through instruction, effort, and repetitive practice. And this is why the word 'yet' is so powerful.

You may not be where you want to be yet. You may not know that skill yet. You may fall, you may be lost, you may not get a fair go. But it's not over... yet. A growth-minded athlete is always growing, developing, and improving. Perspective is everything!! Finish off your sentences with the word 'yet'.

 

4. Win or Learn.

There are only two results when you attempt to do anything. You either 'win' or you 'learn'. Losing, failure, adversity, and setbacks all have lessons attached to teach you how to navigate the same path the next time. Nobody became great by winning all the time. In fact, if someone was 'lucky' enough to win all the time, the first time they face any type of adversity at all, they wouldn't know how to handle it.

 

You can't strive for a goal and be the same person. It takes effort. It takes sacrifice. It takes growth. And to grow sometimes we have to lose or fail at something. The bow of an arrow is pulled back before it can be launched forwards. It is the lessons that build the knowledge, self-assurance, and belief to progression. Instead of beating yourself up over losses or failure, let the emotion pass and write down everything you learned about yourself and the situation.

 

5. Performance Reflection.

When athletes remember performance details directly after competition or training, they generally lead with their inner self-critic. Most find it easier to recount the few mistakes and failures they just made rather than all their successes.

The most alarming factor about reflecting on performance this way is that it trains your brain to focus on flaws before praising controllable attributes such as preparation, effort, and attitude (which is more likely to lead to success and consistency in performance).

The objective of learning from past performance is to find ways to improve in your sport. Since athletes know that mistakes will occur to some degree, reflection should centre on successful performances while also identifying areas for improvement.

For Team Sports - O&D 3 2 1:

  • Write down 3 things you did very well offensively and defensively separately (6 total).
  • Write down 2 things you could improve upon for O&D.
  • Write down 1 key skill or situation you will train on for the next performance.

For Individual Sports - 3 High, 2 Low, 1 Forward:

  • Write down 3 Highlights that stood out from your event.
  • Write down 2 Lowlights or areas for improvement.
  • Write down 1 lesson you will take forward with you from your experience.

This type of Performance Reflection also allows athletes to become more conscious and familiar with their inner-self talk and the thoughts and stories that come up throughout the performance.

The benefit of applying a growth mindset into your sport is being that human beings are creatures of habit - the way we do one thing is the way we do all things. This means that as you start to develop a growth mindset in sport it will carry over into your perspective on other areas of your life.

 

You may find that you have elements of both a fixed mindset and a growth mindset depending on the situation or experience. This is why reflecting on and becoming more aware of your thoughts and perspectives can help you choose the path that is going to help you move forward.

"Every day we are presented with two choices: Evolve or repeat." - Unknown

No matter where you are in your life or in your athletic career, you're only one choice away from a different outcome. You can't always change the situation but you can always change your mindset.

Is growth mindset real? New evidence, new conclusions – Improving Teaching

 

Basically, in recent studies, there's more and more evidence that the core idea behind growth mindset's is largely bull---. The article does make a good argument as to why indirectly, growth mindset's can be helpful with other forces at work. But there's a reason that the push to teach growth mindsets in schools a half decade ago has faded out in recent years. Personally I don't see why it could hurt, but you've got to have a bunch of other things going on as well, it's intuitively helpful I would imagine, with reflection, but the studies underline that there's conflicting evidence at best in support of it and suggestive of no effect whatsoever. 

 

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6 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

There seems to be hints that the Patriots might be willing to trade down and are looking at bringing in a vet (Cousins? Wilson? Tannehill?)


It’s early in the process - if they believe Williams and Maye are going one and two (most likely outcome) and their evaluation on Daniels is so so or they think say McCarthy is close to him it’s not impossible they would do a deal.

 

But I’d be surprised. They need a QB as badly as anyone in the league and getting one on a rookie deal at the top of the draft is the best way to get one.

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30 minutes ago, Number 44 said:

It would be clear that they were going QB. 

If they are going QB they wont trade the first pick anyways. So the point is moot. We will know pretty quickly into the league year which QB we are getting. Assuming that like most scouts we prefer Maye over Daniels.

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10 minutes ago, MartinC said:


It’s early in the process - if they believe Williams and Maye are going one and two (most likely outcome) and their evaluation on Daniels is so so or they think say McCarthy is close to him it’s not impossible they would do a deal.

 

But I’d be surprised. They need a QB as badly as anyone in the league and getting one on a rookie deal at the top of the draft is the best way to get one.


Well, they also have an owner that is A) nearly 83 years old, B ) used to watching good football and his team being relevant in January and C) probably has no patience for a full rebuild with a rookie QB learning curve given the two preceding points. 

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10 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:


Well, they also have an owner that is A) nearly 83 years old, B ) used to watching good football and his team being relevant in January and C) probably has no patience for a full rebuild with a rookie QB learning curve given the two preceding points. 

 

Yeah I think #3 is going to be the sweet spot for trades. Falcons? Raiders? Vikings? It will also depend on whose available. If we take Daniels, I doubt the Raiders try as hard to trade up. Maybe the Vikings become the biggest partner then and go for Maye? I don't really know what the Vikings are looking for in a QB - Anthony Richardson is TOTALLY different from Kirk Cousins.

 

The Patriots need a QB but they also have a ton of other needs, they might build the supporting cast first and attack the QB position later and roll with a vet for a while. You can still get a few good years out of someone like Kirk

 

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Long time lurker. I'm by no means a professional, but everything I see on Maye's tape screams NFL top-end starter with the upside to be much more. He's already adept at targeting the middle of the field on short, intermediate and deep passes and that's so important in the NFL with tighter hash marks. There isn't a throw he isn't afraid to make, which is a gift and a curse. It gets him into the kind of trouble a young Josh Allen did with thinking any and every throw is possible. I also see issues with his footwork which impact his accuracy and somewhat elongated throwing motion, so it's up to him to have the awareness to work on those issues.

 

https://x.com/PFF_Steve/status/1738403056121679907

https://x.com/elitetakes_/status/1698144581211058443

 

Caleb keeps a solid base on every pass, he and the QB Collective did a phenomenal job with his mechanics. His throwing motion is so quick, it reminds me of Aaron Rodgers and his ability to make plays off-schedule are where the Mahomes comps come from. Hard to imagine he's there at 2, so I didn't spend too much time looking into him.

 

I'd love Daniels if the Commanders were picking at 3, but picking him above Maye would have me losing sleep if I was Peters. His deep ball is a thing of beauty and his mechanics/footwork are indeed crisp. I was alarmed by how often he turned down open receivers in the middle of the field to run. The hashes in the NFL are much different, so he won't be able to make the same living throwing consistently outside the numbers. Perhaps that was by design at LSU, but the tight window throws that need to be thrown at the NFL level just aren't peppered throughout his tape the way they are with Caleb and Maye. Also, LSU may have designed that into their scheme since he's an electric runner and Nabers/Thomas Jr. won on so many reps.

 

I also have serious concerns with his running style since it's akin to a giraffe (totally upright) imo and can lead to him taking unnecessary blows. He did get better at not taking crushing shots in the latter part of LSU's season. When Lamar runs, he's more like a running-back and has an innate ability to avoid big hits. Daniels is much more elusive/shifty than RG3, so I look at him as being similar to someone like Randall Cunningham. I will say watching his tape made me envy Chicago's position of possibly landing both Caleb and Nabers in the same draft. Nabers is just sensational.

 

In summary, both Maye and Daniels have their warts. From what I can see, Maye's game has the chance to shine at the NFL level with tighter hashmarks and with most modern schemes attacking the middle of the field in tight windows to keep the chains moving.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Technically he's improved in completion %. He went from 32nd to 31st to 30th. So by 2054 he'll be the most accurate passer in the league!

 

Seriously though, Fields sucks. He just does. I don't get the love for him. Is it because he lit us up on TNF? Just about every QB we faced lit us up. Hell half the posters on here coulda probably thrown for 250 and a couple scores on us.

I loved him in college, he was great in dynasty, and I absolutely wanted to trade up for him and lost my ---- when we didnt AND I KNOW HE SUCKS. I don't get where the people expressing interest in him are coming from. He's a good enough athlete to just be startable as a QB for a team that isn't trying to contend, but if you're trying to build a super bowl contending team? Just don't get it all, whether you're actually a contender in the present, or trying to build one from scratch. He could be a bridge QB for a team like Atlanta while they try to figure out QB, but for us, starting from scratch, or real contenders? Makes no sense at all, at this point he's been god awful in 2 of 3 seasons in the throwing piece, and his ceiling has been barely maybe average and rarely achieved it to boot. 

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4 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

I appreciate the posting of news, but this and many like this posted over the last few weeks do not belong here according to the rules. I don’t come in here to learn about the jets, bucs, raiders, etc. Please follow forum rules and post non-Washington news in: https://es.redskins.com/forum/48-around-the-nfl/ (A separate forum for links to published articles about the NFL (teams, players, news, etc) but unrelated to the Washington Redskins.)

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1 minute ago, mh86 said:

I appreciate the posting of news, but this and many like this posted over the last few weeks do not belong here according to the rules. I don’t come in here to learn about the jets, bucs, raiders, etc. Please follow forum rules and post non-Washington news in: https://es.redskins.com/forum/48-around-the-nfl/

 

What other teams do at the QB position could potentially effect us and what we may be potentially get offered (or our division, opponents, etc) but I can move it so Maye vs Daniels can be discussed even more lol. 

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1 hour ago, The Consigliere said:

Is growth mindset real? New evidence, new conclusions – Improving Teaching

 

Basically, in recent studies, there's more and more evidence that the core idea behind growth mindset's is largely bull---. The article does make a good argument as to why indirectly, growth mindset's can be helpful with other forces at work. But there's a reason that the push to teach growth mindsets in schools a half decade ago has faded out in recent years. Personally I don't see why it could hurt, but you've got to have a bunch of other things going on as well, it's intuitively helpful I would imagine, with reflection, but the studies underline that there's conflicting evidence at best in support of it and suggestive of no effect whatsoever. 

 

Tom Brady’s Football Career is a Classic Growth Mindset Story

 

I use this example Brady opposed to Russell (physical freak without mindset).

 

Kiper draft analysis of Brady : Overall: Fifth-round grade | Position rank: No. 10 quarterback

Sure, he doesn't have the total package of skills, but you have to be impressed with his level of performance this past season against Notre Dame (17-of-24), Wisconsin (17-of-27), Michigan State (30-of-41), Ohio State (17-of-27), and Alabama (34-of-46 for 369 yards and 4 TDs).

 

The reports on Russell were so effusive it’s scary. Long-time ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. called him “John-Elway like” and said he could be one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL 2-3 years after he was drafted. Lane Kiffin, the coach in Oakland at the time, said Russell is “like a video game.” Everyone lauded his physical tools, though some noted he was a more risky pick than Brady Quinn, another top QB prospect in the class (that didn’t work out well either).

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1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

I would be totally shocked if Chicago goes OT with a top 10 pick. They are really high on Braxton Jones and just took Darnell Wright at 10 last year. This seems like someone who hasn't spent any real time looking at Chicago's actual needs. 

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Here's the form to use if you're posting an article about another team's moves but think its pertinent to the thread topic:

 

Type out a brief description of the article and the relevant facts that relate to the topic and how/why they tie to the topic.

 

Then post a link to the article. Tell your friends. 😁

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11 minutes ago, FrFan said:

Tom Brady’s Football Career is a Classic Growth Mindset Story

 

I use this example Brady opposed to Russell (physical freak without mindset).

 

Kiper draft analysis of Brady : Overall: Fifth-round grade | Position rank: No. 10 quarterback

Sure, he doesn't have the total package of skills, but you have to be impressed with his level of performance this past season against Notre Dame (17-of-24), Wisconsin (17-of-27), Michigan State (30-of-41), Ohio State (17-of-27), and Alabama (34-of-46 for 369 yards and 4 TDs).

 

The reports on Russell were so effusive it’s scary. Long-time ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. called him “John-Elway like” and said he could be one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL 2-3 years after he was drafted. Lane Kiffin, the coach in Oakland at the time, said Russell is “like a video game.” Everyone lauded his physical tools, though some noted he was a more risky pick than Brady Quinn, another top QB prospect in the class (that didn’t work out well either).

 

What Kiper said about Brady is something that I pay attention to with QBs. Brady was at a disadvantage talent wise in all of those games but you consistently saw him raise his level of play when the competition got harder. That sort of dawg/clutch mentality is something you can't teach or measure. 

 

One of the reasons I was never as gung ho on Lawrence as everyone else is because everyone crowed him so early. He never really had to fight for anything, he was deemed the best QB in high school, best QB in college, best QB in the Elite 11. It was just all too easy and I do think that is why he seems sort of uninspired when he plays. There's something about overcoming adversity or playing with a chip. He always seems like he's...coasting, like he doesn't want it bad enough. 

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1 hour ago, clskinsfan said:

If they are going QB they wont trade the first pick anyways. So the point is moot. We will know pretty quickly into the league year which QB we are getting. Assuming that like most scouts we prefer Maye over Daniels.

Fair. But he’s also not an idiot - he knows that the cap it would take to sign a Cousins makes it hard to build a roster. 
 

If they were picking 8 or 9 I could see it - but with the 3rd overall pick in a 3 QB draft?

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