The Consigliere Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, KDawg said: Mild curiosity… People who are in the Jayden Daniels camp and can’t fathom why anyone would be worried: Can you not see people’s concerns with Daniels? And those of you in the Maye camp: Can you not see Daniels potential? I feel like these things get ignored in this convo when people are all in for one or the other. Yes, if his processing is as good as people say it is, if the arms fine, if the accuracy is what they say, if the anticipation piece is fine, if the middle of the field is more about the WR's talent, than a problem using the field, if the p2s ratio thing isn't a thing (even I can't help but spit take at such a moronic argument), if he works through the progressions, and stays as healthy as he did in college, yeah. There's no denying what he did in '23, and hinted at in '22, or in a couple of games in '20. It's right there. The elite running, I even heard Shawn Siegel from rotoviz basically say, he stays healthy, the '23 Daniels is if Burrow and Lamar had a kid. I think that's nuts, but otoh, I respect the heck out of Siegele. So yeah, the upside is there, again, for me, it's the endless litany of concerns, and once we have a cohort of prospects at QB, I go sniffing around like a truffle hound for bust risk, rather than success projecting because over time I've become convinced that nobody and nothing is good at projecting who will be successful beyond tiering, and then figuring out which guys have the most warning signs, rather than positive traits. So for me, yes, I can totally imagine Daniels becoming a star, its probably 45/55 to 60/40 that he either shows he belongs, or just goes nuclear. It's very easy to see it happening. But I also think that 40-55% chance that he just totally implodes puts him firmly behind Maye for me, but most of the guys I respect most in the dynasty analytics industry disagree w/me, and plenty of other people, and there are definitely loads of concerns with Maye too. We'll see. At the end, as vituperative as the arguments may have been, the basis for them is largely disagreement of about 5-15% on the liklihood of hitting long term vs busting or just being replacement level (The Dalton/Tannehill line). 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, KDawg said: Well, that’s not Maye or Daniels. Who has the ability to feel it and shift? Who can see the D and shift protection to wherever it needs to be? Such a tough thing to do to pick a franchise QB. None will succeed without a good oline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, dunfer said: jj? Hes not answering....KDawgs loves some JJs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtman04 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I love Drake Maye. I love Jayden Daniels. I am truly good either way. I'm not 100% on JJ or Penix. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, KillBill26 said: If only our front office was able to be more thorough during the draft process. If they put in the proper effort and asked the right questions, they would've known how much RG3 loves dragon Ball z, and they would've known to steer clear. It would've saved us a lot of heartache. Can't win with a guy like that. ...ya know.... shoulda taken him to Top Golf.... Actually, for Griffin it should've been a group outing to Comicon. Anyone who shows up in costume is off the draft board. Edited April 23 by DiscoBob 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalu44 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I'm not squarely in either camp. I'm about 50/50 on Daniels/Maye. Like everyone else, I'm concerned about Daniels frame, but he is worth taking a swing on. He had 4 ints last year in a very tough conference. That is pretty legit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, dunfer said: Hes not answering....KDawgs loves some JJs I do. But no. Not him, either. None of these guys feel pressure and slide around. Daniels gets out of the way relatively well but he definitely prefers to break the pocket rather than navigate it. Williams navigates it well but he holds the ball for a quarter century. Maye does NOT navigate the pocket well at all consistently. The guy sacks himself like Howell did at times. And, like Howell, sometimes moves and slides and navigates it well. I don’t know that JJ has the sample size… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dah-Dee Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 10 minutes ago, KDawg said: if we were going McCarthy you have to move back to 4ish. But I’m not sure why Arizona would come up so it’s kind of a moot point. Don't think it would happen that way; we'd tell somebody like Vegas, sorry not interested in trading down all the way to your spot. Pierce would then throw a hissy fit in their HQ and they'd trade up with AZ, then again with us. Not going to happen, but I think it'd work something like that if it did. But it won't, 'cause it's not. Happening. Definitely probably possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 @KDawg bringing us back together like a family therapist in here 🥲I love you guys 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: F it. I'm all in on Daniels. He's gonna resurrect this franchise and I can't wait for him to strut all over Parsons and Thibodeaux etc. The final seal is broken. Maye will now be the pick. Thank you for your sacrifice 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSkins21 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Llevron said: @KDawg bringing us back together like a family therapist in here 🥲I love you guys 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: Thanks for update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Llevron said: @KDawg bringing us back together like a family therapist in here 🥲I love you guys 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Conn said: The final seal is broken. Maye will now be the pick. Thank you for your sacrifice Nope. GC is the final piece. If he flips the stars align and we 100% take Penix. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonRedWolves Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, Conn said: The final seal is broken. Maye will now be the pick. Thank you for your sacrifice No no, its only if @SoCalSkins fully endorses daniels will the final seal be broken, the heavens rain down upon the earth, and valhalla await us all 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, KDawg said: Nope. GC is the final piece. If he flips the stars align and we 100% take Penix. I can already see the shirts and the creative licensing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 51 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: We are gonna make other teams defend every blade of grass. Exciting to think about. Except for the ones between the numbers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, KDawg said: Nope. GC is the final piece. If he flips the stars align and we 100% take Penix. Who is GC? Guess I am having a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Lol GC = @Going Commando May need to set up a safe space for him and SoCal if Thursday plays out the way everyone thinks it will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Trade the 2nd overall to get another 1st, use it for JJ and Brock Bowers. I'll shut up now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, CapsSkins said: Lol GC = @Going Commando May need to set up a safe space for him and SoCal if Thursday plays out the way everyone thinks it will Thanks, CapsSkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, CapsSkins said: Lol GC = @Going Commando May need to set up a safe space for him and SoCal if Thursday plays out the way everyone thinks it will If we pick Jayden Daniels and the Giants end up with Drake Maye, I'm going to go ahead and ban myself. 2 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, Going Commando said: If we pick Jayden Daniels and the Giants end up with Drake Maye, I'm going to go ahead and ban myself. I wonder what Adam Peters, DQ and all the majority/minority owners are thinking right now. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Going Commando said: If we pick Jayden Daniels and the Giants end up with Drake Maye, I'm going to go ahead and ban myself. I made that my prediction specifically because it would be maximally painful and that is our luck as Commander fans. It also makes logical sense. NE is open for business but still needs a QB. The Giants love Maye and have been getting the inside line from Eli. If anyone wants to bet on a Michigan QB with great intangibles it's New England. Arizona and the Chargers will be happy to sit where they are and take two blue-chippers. Vegas will sit at 13 and take Penix. You should honestly prepare yourself emotionally for this happening because it's very plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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