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[HTTRDynasty]

I know I’ve posted a lot of good Drake Maye in this thread. Here is some bad Drake Maye:

 

 

 

[Ghost of]

this is McCarthy as a freshman on 3rd and 25. That ball goes way across the field and drops right to receiver. You can't risk that throw after a scramble to the right unless you have the arm to do it.  

 

 

[Est.1974]

36 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

And leaves you with Justin Fields in the final year of his contract.

 

I’m not as down on Fields as many here. He’s gotten better every year and I think he’d fit with Kingsbury. 

I’m not down on Fields either to be honest, take his 5th year option too. He might actually be my second preference after going up for Williams being the first. 
 

Not sold on Maye at the minute.

[KDawg]

17 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I’m not down on Fields either to be honest, take his 5th year option too. He might actually be my second preference after going up for Williams being the first. 
 

Not sold on Maye at the minute.

I’m not sold on Maye, persay. But I’m sold on Maye + Rookie Contract vs. Fields on a vet starter w/potential contract

[MrJL]

23 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I’m not down on Fields either to be honest, take his 5th year option too. He might actually be my second preference after going up for Williams being the first. 
 

Not sold on Maye at the minute.

the fifth year option doesn't count for trades

 

 

[mistertim]

34 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

I know I’ve posted a lot of good Drake Maye in this thread. Here is some bad Drake Maye:

 

 

 

 

1) Good example of hero ball and making a dumb decision instead of taking a few yards and running out of bounds

2) Not a perfect throw but it did hit his reveiver in the hands and then bounced into the defender's 

3) Scramble drill, found an open guy but didn't put enough air under it. Also a really great play by that linebacker.

4) Stupid hero ball decision. Just straight up dumb. Did I mention stupid?

5) Another dumb hero ball decision. (seeing a pattern here)

6) A bunch of things going on here: 

    1) This is him trusting his arm a lot and throwing a deep pass off his back foot while falling backwards
    2) That was actually a pretty impressive throw considering the above. Dude has a cannon.
    3) It was slightly underthrown though
    4) Why in the hell was his receiver literally running backwards and out of bounds instead of moving forward and attacking the ball? His head was turned around so he was definitely watching the ball.
    5) That was a great play by the DB

 

Coaches are definitely going to have to try and temper a bit of that hero ball superman stuff. Sometimes it works out and he makes an amazing play, but sometimes it doesn't and it ends up in disaster like that pick 6 in the red zone.

Edited February 10 by mistertim

[Est.1974]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I’m not sold on Maye, persay. But I’m sold on Maye + Rookie Contract vs. Fields on a vet starter w/potential contract

Yeah, we’ve got options. 
 

Think for me, my current mindset is hoping the FO consider being aggressive. Either go all in for QB1 because we are in striking distance, or consider the massive value in pick #2 and cash in. We could end up with Fields, 7/8 picks in the top 110, plus FA additions thrown in.

 

Not saying that’s the best option. In fact everyone will see that as the worst 😂

 

I personally wouldn’t discount doing it.

 

5 minutes ago, MrJL said:

the fifth year option doesn't count for trades

 

 

I thought either team had until May to decide that ?

[KDawg]

Just now, Est.1974 said:

Yeah, we’ve got options. 
 

Think for me, my current mindset is hoping the FO consider being aggressive. Either go all in for QB1 because we are in striking distance, or consider the massive value in pick #2 and cash in. We could end up with Fields, 7/8 picks in the top 110, plus FA additions thrown in.

 

Not saying that’s the best option. In fact everyone will see that as the worst 😂

 

I personally wouldn’t discount doing it.

 

I don’t think I discount it. I just think that they’d have to really dislike the QB in the top 3 and really, really like the options for all positions where the newly attained picks are positioned.

 

I don’t, personally, think those picks are worth it. But… if they do, it’s certainly on the table.

[MrJL]

3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Yeah, we’ve got options. 
 

Think for me, my current mindset is hoping the FO consider being aggressive. Either go all in for QB1 because we are in striking distance, or consider the massive value in pick #2 and cash in. We could end up with Fields, 7/8 picks in the top 110, plus FA additions thrown in.

 

Not saying that’s the best option. In fact everyone will see that as the worst 😂

 

I personally wouldn’t discount doing it.

 

I thought either team had until May to decide that ?

 

nope, only the drafting team gets that.  I mean I suppose they could invoke it then trade the guy

 

Personally, I don't want Fields. He's had three years of failure to the point the team that drafted him is giving up on him.  At least Howell only has one year of failure if we're not drafting a QB

[Warhead36]

4 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Sports Illustrated stole my trade suggestion 😂 :
 

Washington Gets 

- QB Justin Fields

- 2024 NFL Draft: No. 9 and No. 110 Overall Picks

- 2025 NFL Draft: 2nd Round Pick (Carolina Panthers)

 

Chicago Gets

- 2024 NFL Draft: No. 2 Overall

That trade is horrendous

[mistertim]

Good lord, are we seriously back to picking up other teams castoff QBs instead of drafting our own?

 

#2 overall pick in a strong QB class, so let's trade out of it and pick up an utterly mediocre QB who will also require a brand new contract to boot.

[Warhead36]

17 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

1) Good example of hero ball and making a dumb decision instead of taking a few yards and running out of bounds

2) Not a perfect throw but it did hit his reveiver in the hands and then bounced into the defender's 

3) Scramble drill, found an open guy but didn't put enough air under it. Also a really great play by that linebacker.

4) Stupid hero ball decision. Just straight up dumb. Did I mention stupid?

5) Another dumb hero ball decision. (seeing a pattern here)

6) A bunch of things going on here: 

    1) This is him trusting his arm a lot and throwing a deep pass off his back foot while falling backwards
    2) That was actually a pretty impressive throw considering the above. Dude has a cannon.
    3) It was slightly underthrown though
    4) Why in the hell was his receiver literally running backwards and out of bounds instead of moving forward and attacking the ball? His head was turned around so he was definitely watching the ball.
    5) That was a great play by the DB

 

Coaches are definitely going to have to try and temper a bit of that hero ball superman stuff. Sometimes it works out and he makes an amazing play, but sometimes it doesn't and it ends up in disaster like that pick 6 in the red zone.

He has some Josh Allen in him thats for sure. But  a lot of that is he has to heroball because his team was trash and the only chance they had was him being super aggressive. Hes also a killer competitor(family of athletes) which I love but that attitude can get you in trouble.

 

Honestly that and his at times sloppy footwork are his only real red flags and both are easily correctable. remember hes only 21! 

 

Kid will be an all pro caliber QB no later than 2026. And hell still only be 23.

[DWinzit]

I am not sold on any of the QB's in the draft. Those added picks this year and next would be incredible in setting the team up for now and the future. But the idea of Fields running the team makes me nauseous.

[actorguy1]

This is the way.

[BurgundyBooger]

Bears only have the leverage if you allow them to have the leverage. They’d love nothing more than to trade down to #2, get their guy anyway, and have an additional high round pick in 2025. They would have fleeced Snyder.

 

Let’s just stick with #2, let some other team mortgage their future to Chicago like Carolina did. If we can’t train up Drake or JD to be the franchise QB we need, then we don’t have the right coaches in the building. 
 

 

 

 

[mistertim]

39 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

I am not sold on any of the QB's in the draft. Those added picks this year and next would be incredible in setting the team up for now and the future. But the idea of Fields running the team makes me nauseous.

 

Those added picks would be incredible in setting the team up for a nice run in mediocrity land. With no franchise QB it doesn't matter if we get a few extra players here and there.

[Warhead36]

41 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

I am not sold on any of the QB's in the draft. Those added picks this year and next would be incredible in setting the team up for now and the future. But the idea of Fields running the team makes me nauseous.

If you cant buy into any of the big 3 then youll NEVER be sold on ANY QB. Theyre as good as it realistically gets.

19 minutes ago, actorguy1 said:

This is the way.

Agreed 💯. If your drafted QB has no chance of being elite than trade him and restart your window. I honestly feel Miami needs to do this with Tua

[HigSkin]

If someone is going to pry the No. 1 overall selection away from the Bears, they are going to have to pay -- and pay a lot.

 

Chicago would need a historic haul of draft picks and overall compensation to move off the first pick of the 2024 NFL Draft, sources say. In the words of one source, it would have to be "crazy."

 

That indicates the Bears, who received the pick in a mammoth trade last offseason with the Panthers, are more likely than not to make the pick and land their new franchise QB.

 

USC star Caleb Williams is currently No. 1 on Daniel Jeremiah's Top 50 list on NFL.com, and many evaluators around the NFL agree. Those who have scouted him view him as a special player, and his scouting picture is becoming clearer the more time teams spend on him.

 

If Chicago does decide to take the former Heisman Trophy winner in Williams, they would almost certainly trade Justin Fields to the highest bidder in what should be an active and fertile market. Fields, who hit his stride in the second half of this season and should command considerable interest, received plenty of support this week from teammates (DJ Moore is one example) with hopes of him sticking in Chicago.

 

 

Yet for the Bears, the rare opportunity to pick No. 1 might trump how impressed they have been with Fields. Chicago loved Fields' improvement this year and views his makeup as rare, sources say. He brought his team together, he works incredibly hard and he's a leader. But if it's about winning a Super Bowl, does Williams (who will be on a rookie deal for at least three seasons) give the team a better shot? Fields, who the Bears selected No. 11 overall in 2021, would almost certainly require a contract extension at some point soon if he stayed.

 

General manager Ryan Poles was asked in early January for his mindset on making the choice between drafting a new QB or sticking with Fields.

 

"We are going to turn every stone to make sure that we are going to make a sound decision for our organization," Poles told reporters. "I did think Justin got better. I think he can lead this team. But at the same time, there is a unique situation."

 

Along with the No. 1 pick, the Bears also have the ninth selection this year, their own pick.

 

Before anything, though, the Bears first must do a full evaluation on all the QBs, not just Williams. UNC quarterback Drake Maye and LSU's Jayden Daniels are also in Jeremiah's top five.

 

Chicago will evaluate through the NFL Scouting Combine (held from Feb. 26 to March 4), reassess, go through Pro Days and then collect all the info -- not just the physical traits. Getting to know Williams and the other QBs as people will be paramount.

 

And while there have been public questions about where Williams would want to go, sources say he would welcome a selection by Chicago, or anyone who would take him.

 

Last year, Chicago and Carolina agreed to their blockbuster trade on March 10, following the combine. While this year could follow a similar timeline if Fields is traded, it's currently quiet now. The chatter is expected to pick up around the combine, and once that hits, trades can be made at any time (to be made official at the start of the league year, on March 13).

 

Either way, the Bears face an offseason that should shape the organization for years to come.

Edited February 10 by HigSkin

[DWinzit]

5 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Those added picks would be incredible in setting the team up for a nice run in mediocrity land. With no franchise QB it doesn't matter if we get a few extra players here and there.

totally agree. I assume they take one of the three a run with him. I just don't love one over the others.  Can't wait to see how things play  out

[RWJ]

10 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

If someone is going to pry the No. 1 overall selection away from the Bears, they are going to have to pay -- and pay a lot.

 

Chicago would need a historic haul of draft picks and overall compensation to move off the first pick of the 2024 NFL Draft, sources say. In the words of one source, it would have to be "crazy."

 

That indicates the Bears, who received the pick in a mammoth trade last offseason with the Panthers, are more likely than not to make the pick and land their new franchise QB.

 

USC star Caleb Williams is currently No. 1 on Daniel Jeremiah's Top 50 list on NFL.com, and many evaluators around the NFL agree. Those who have scouted him view him as a special player, and his scouting picture is becoming clearer the more time teams spend on him.

 

If Chicago does decide to take the former Heisman Trophy winner in Williams, they would almost certainly trade Justin Fields to the highest bidder in what should be an active and fertile market. Fields, who hit his stride in the second half of this season and should command considerable interest, received plenty of support this week from teammates (DJ Moore is one example) with hopes of him sticking in Chicago.

 

 

Yet for the Bears, the rare opportunity to pick No. 1 might trump how impressed they have been with Fields. Chicago loved Fields' improvement this year and views his makeup as rare, sources say. He brought his team together, he works incredibly hard and he's a leader. But if it's about winning a Super Bowl, does Williams (who will be on a rookie deal for at least three seasons) give the team a better shot? Fields, who the Bears selected No. 11 overall in 2021, would almost certainly require a contract extension at some point soon if he stayed.

 

General manager Ryan Poles was asked in early January for his mindset on making the choice between drafting a new QB or sticking with Fields.

 

"We are going to turn every stone to make sure that we are going to make a sound decision for our organization," Poles told reporters. "I did think Justin got better. I think he can lead this team. But at the same time, there is a unique situation."

 

Along with the No. 1 pick, the Bears also have the ninth selection this year, their own pick.

 

Before anything, though, the Bears first must do a full evaluation on all the QBs, not just Williams. UNC quarterback Drake Maye and LSU's Jayden Daniels are also in Jeremiah's top five.

 

Chicago will evaluate through the NFL Scouting Combine (held from Feb. 26 to March 4), reassess, go through Pro Days and then collect all the info -- not just the physical traits. Getting to know Williams and the other QBs as people will be paramount.

 

And while there have been public questions about where Williams would want to go, sources say he would welcome a selection by Chicago, or anyone who would take him.

 

Last year, Chicago and Carolina agreed to their blockbuster trade on March 10, following the combine. While this year could follow a similar timeline if Fields is traded, it's currently quiet now. The chatter is expected to pick up around the combine, and once that hits, trades can be made at any time (to be made official at the start of the league year, on March 13).

 

Either way, the Bears face an offseason that should shape the organization for years to come.

Sit tight, GM Peters.  You know what you have to do and we trust you to do the right thing.  

[pcbothwel]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

He has some Josh Allen in him thats for sure. But  a lot of that is he has to heroball because his team was trash and the only chance they had was him being super aggressive. Hes also a killer competitor(family of athletes) which I love but that attitude can get you in trouble.

 

Honestly that and his at times sloppy footwork are his only real red flags and both are easily correctable. remember hes only 21! 

 

Kid will be an all pro caliber QB no later than 2026. And hell still only be 23.

Couldn’t agree more.

The only glaring issue with him on tape is the sloppy/inconsistent footwork. 
He has the processing, arm, anticipation, size, athleticism, and personality to be a great QB.

[Warhead36]

1 minute ago, pcbothwel said:

Couldn’t agree more.

The only glaring issue with him on tape is the sloppy/inconsistent footwork. 
He has the processing, arm, anticipation, size, athleticism, and personality to be a great QB.

I love that he comes from a family of athletes. That means you know hes a killer competitor and you need your QB to be a cutthroat in that area. 

[DiscoBob]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

I’m not sold on Maye, persay. But I’m sold on Maye + Rookie Contract vs. Fields on a vet starter w/potential contract

 

This is the way....

 

Why would we go in on Fields with the impending contract decision?  He IS going to get paid, even if he is a only a top 15-25 starter.... we aren't in the place to do something like that

 

Edited February 10 by DiscoBob

[HTTRDynasty]

The reason I’d feel okay whether we draft Maye or Daniels (though I strongly prefer Maye) is that I know both have an excellent work ethic. That, to me, is the #1 criteria to becoming a great QB at a young age in this league. 

 

 

[FrFan]

2 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

I know I’ve posted a lot of good Drake Maye in this thread. Here is some bad Drake Maye:

 

Thanks, some fans and media pundits are prone to show only/mostly what fits their narrative. Unfortunately only a few don't let their personal feelings interfere with their analysis. I like Maye and Rattler mindsets, don't know much about Daniels.

 

Edited February 10 by FrFan