Voice_of_Reason Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Silvernon said: I think you want your CB1 to be on the X, and that player is often a better physical specimen....and therefore it really doesn't make sense to have BSJ unless he can become a CB1. It's not as simple as saying that since he is not a legit CB1, then obviously he's a better than average CB2. I legitimately think they are different positions in today's NFL. Even more so the case for nickel and dime corners too. They drafted the 160lb guy to be cB1. How’s that working out? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Just now, Voice_of_Reason said: They drafted the 160lb guy to be cB1. How’s that working out? Not saying they made the right choice. I said above that it's more likely they have to draft another player to be the CB1. But I can tell you that BSJ will not get an extension this off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Silvernon said: Not saying they made the right choice. I said above that it's more likely they have to draft another player to be the CB1. But I can tell you that BSJ will not get an extension this off season. well with the number of free agents we have I'm not sure we're doing much extending guys this year bfore deals expire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 15 hours ago, MrJL said: well with the number of free agents we have I'm not sure we're doing much extending guys this year bfore deals expire We also need the guy in place who’s going to make those decisions, and I think it’s pretty clear that guy isn’t in place. I absolutely think 3-4, maybe even more than that guys will be re-signed, but it won’t be until the new year with a new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said: We also need the guy in place who’s going to make those decisions, and I think it’s pretty clear that guy isn’t in place. I absolutely think 3-4, maybe even more than that guys will be re-signed, but it won’t be until the new year with a new GM. I actually meant this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinscub Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 From what i read about Jamin Davis (draft profile), speed was supposed to be a strong point. He runs at times like he has a piano on his back 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Martin looks like he’s made some plays the past few weeks. Maybe he can play. 🤷♂️ How much is it on the players versus scheme? Could we be alright with Martin, Forest, and Butler as our main safeties? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Redskinscub said: From what i read about Jamin Davis (draft profile), speed was supposed to be a strong point. He runs at times like he has a piano on his back He's gotten in trouble for speeding a couple times, that may have something to do with it... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) RE: BSJ’s comments. I know it sounds like whining and in a way it is, and given how badly he annoys me with his stupid celebrations it’s hard for me to come to his defense. But, he’s 100% correct and it’s easy to see. The secondary never appears to know what they are doing until it’s too late. Often the same for our linebackers in coverage, often times against fast running backs where the last thing they can afford to do is think. Edited November 20, 2023 by BatteredFanSyndrome 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 The fact Del Rio is still trying to do this with our dumbass players in his FOURTH year here shows what a dumbass he also is. Incapable of learning or changing. Stubborn. Willing to let our players flounder and fail because in his mind, the scheme is sound and the execution isn’t his fault. Week after week after week he can tell himself he schemed up a winner and the players ****ed it up. Keeping that arrogance you see in his pressers and feeling no shame about the horrifically bad D we field season after season. That’s a special kind of loser. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Conn said: The fact Del Rio is still trying to do this with our dumbass players in his FOURTH year here shows what a dumbass he also is. Incapable of learning or changing. Stubborn. Willing to let our players flounder and fail because in his mind, the scheme is sound and the execution isn’t his fault. Week after week after week he can tell himself he schemed up a winner and the players ****ed it up. Keeping that arrogance you see in his pressers and feeling no shame about the horrifically bad D we field season after season. That’s a special kind of loser. They need to find the closest HS to Command Center and go hire the DC tomorrow. There is literally no way it would be worse. A HS coach might actually be able to teach a concept or two in the last 7 games. Something Jack has failed to do in 3.5 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 You're not going to be able to run across the field with receivers, so these guys need to learn how to pass off. All the best defenses do it. They do need to change from JDR, however these players need to get better. St Juste is definitely on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Silvernon said: You're not going to be able to run across the field with receivers, so these guys need to learn how to pass off. All the best defenses do it. They do need to change from JDR, however these players need to get better. St Juste is definitely on that list. Kinda have to in a zone, playing man all day sets up offense for plays to directly attack it, like screens against blitzes. I get that's easier for them to do man, and the real cry for help is asking the defense to be simplified. Theres too many chances for breakdowns and its obvious because it keeps happening over and over again. But the defense biggest problem is they can't get a turnover to save their life. They can't end drives or score themselves to save their lives, and true bend don't break you have to or you break and die. This would be a problem even with scheme changes. Edited November 20, 2023 by Renegade7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Silvernon said: You're not going to be able to run across the field with receivers, so these guys need to learn how to pass off. All the best defenses do it. They do need to change from JDR, however these players need to get better. St Juste is definitely on that list. Sure, but I’d argue no other teams do it worse than us, or for as long as this has been going on. I have a hard time saddling the players with the blame when it’s damn near all of them, all the time, year to year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Thats coaching. 100%. You have to be able to teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: They need to find the closest HS to Command Center and go hire the DC tomorrow. There is literally no way it would be worse. A HS coach might actually be able to teach a concept or two in the last 7 games. Something Jack has failed to do in 3.5 years. Its one of the biggest reasons we needed to fire JDR 6 weeks ago, to find out if who we have can play in another system or not. All we know is how our guys play in this jackasses system and that's not likely the best indicator of their abilities. Turn it over to a Redskins legend, Ryan Kerrigan, and take his opinion moving forward along with the assistant coaches whose opinions you trust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: Its one of the biggest reasons we needed to fire JDR 6 weeks ago, to find out if who we have can play in another system or not. All we know is how our guys play in this jackasses system and that's not likely the best indicator of their abilities. Turn it over to a Redskins legend, Ryan Kerrigan, and take his opinion moving forward along with the assistant coaches whose opinions you trust. I agree. but sadly unless they actually do go to a HS in Ashburn, there isn’t anybody who looks like they could coordinate a defense on the staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 These are professional football players. You should be able to teach them basic scheme and concepts. If you can't, that's on you as a coach. Unless every player on our defense every year is just dumb as rocks. I have no doubt that was the case with William Jackson, but the rest? Na. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Hey, we aren’t the worst at something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander202 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 10:57 AM, Voice_of_Reason said: They drafted the 160lb guy to be cB1. How’s that working out? That’s hard to say because we have a coaching staff that doesn’t know what they are doing . Be honest if Forbes was on the 49ers you think he be struggling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Commander202 said: That’s hard to say because we have a coaching staff that doesn’t know what they are doing . Be honest if Forbes was on the 49ers you think he be struggling ? Probably not because they would have drafted him in the late 1st or even 2nd round and slotted him into an elite defense where he wasn’t asked to cover prototypical WR1’s 1-on-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 hours ago, lavar1156 said: This isn’t a great reflection on the players. @KDawg made this point in the game day thread. I mean, yep we don’t coach very well . But the players are showing a serious lack of application. Maybe they just aren’t good enough either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Est.1974 said: This isn’t a great reflection on the players. @KDawg made this point in the game day thread. I mean, yep we don’t coach very well . But the players are showing a serious lack of application. Maybe they just aren’t good enough either. My HS kids can do pass offs. It's a part of football. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, KDawg said: My HS kids can do pass offs. It's a part of football. Yep, BSJ using the word ‘complex’ seem like a problem with his ability, not coaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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