Election 2021

[steve09ru]

53 minutes ago, tshile said:

You’re not going to get any traction with these people. 
 

I mean think about what it is he just said. 
 

at this point. In 2021. His grand takeaway from the election last night is that “people cry racism when it doesn’t exist too much”

 

That isn’t intellectual analysis of what happened in Virginia last night. You know exactly what it is. Don’t waste your time. 

Some of the discussion has been how to get more voters.  Is it what happened in Virginia? No but it will has and will continue to cost votes.  Is there a net gain of voters with this approach? Maybe

 

alsp one point doesn’t mean it was the only takeaway.  How far progressive things are moving is likely the main factor.

 

outside take from a black voter I work with who was very anti-trump who voted Biden and youngkin.  Education and tax plans were the key areas

Edited November 3, 2021 by steve09ru

[Jabbyrwock]

34 minutes ago, tshile said:

It’s not the definition of insanity. So, don’t go there.  

[Recovering_Spaz]

23 minutes ago, tshile said:

ultimately people hate change. Dems are a party that constantly runs on changing things, and republicans are a party that constantly runs on not changing things. 

 

Less is more when it comes to fighting for change, but the Dems can't seem to help themselves. Getting everyone on a much shorter page would help immensely, but that's as likely to happen as the Dems gaining seats in the midterms.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

17 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said:

i actually watched this movie last night to cheer me up. Comfort food for the soul 

[tshile]

18 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

VA Beach sucks so bad.  WTF kind of city goes Republican any more?

That area is interesting. It’s flooded with military people. It’s not a typical city in any real sense. 

[Renegade7]

22 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

VA Beach sucks so bad.  WTF kind of city goes Republican any more?

 

Used to live in VA Beach, it didn't feel like a city the way Norfolk did.  I mean, even Suffolk is a city, technically 😒

[tshile]

8 minutes ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

Less is more when it comes to fighting for change, but the Dems can't seem to help themselves. Getting everyone on a much shorter page would help immensely, but that's as likely to happen as the Dems gaining seats in the midterms.

Yeah. They act like every issue has a light switch we can just flip, and hate to recognize social progress/change is a long slow march…

 

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Dems failed to "Rommey" Youngkin. The dude is an executive at the Carlyle Group, i.e rich elitist deep state contractor. 

 

Anyhow, the country still votes/hinges on whether or not the feelings of white folks are hurt. When they are, you get last night in VA. Just like '09 in VA. 

[ixcuincle]

The sun still came up today, and Virginia will change parties in the governor's race. I don't like it, but I have to accept it.

 

Youngkin ran a better campaign, fair and square.

 

Now let's hope he doesn't go full Florida / Texas.

[SkinsHokieFan]

9 minutes ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

Less is more when it comes to fighting for change, but the Dems can't seem to help themselves. Getting everyone on a much shorter page would help immensely, but that's as likely to happen as the Dems gaining seats in the midterms.

 

The Dems are a "big tent" party essentially filled with multiple coalitions. The GOP is a very specific, focused party, although now they want to regulate big businesses who are "woke" so we'll see how it works out long term. 

You don't have the modern Democratic party without a big tent and somehow gotta make it work. 

[tshile]

Hah. Looks like they changed something since last night. Republicans appear to have won the legislature too. 
 

Great. 

[SkinsHokieFan]

1 minute ago, tshile said:

Hah. Looks like they changed something since last night. Republicans appear to have won the legislature too. 
 

Great. 

 

Yup. came in very late. 

 

The frustrating thing about it is when the GOP controls the VA government, they steal tax dollars from Northern Virginia. It is essentially socialism for ROVA

[Renegade7]

2 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

The sun still came up today, and Virginia will change parties in the governor's race. I don't like it, but I have to accept it.

 

Youngkin ran a better campaign, fair and square.

 

Now let's hope he doesn't go full Florida / Texas.

 

Virginia senate is still blue, so he's likely going to be limited in the changes he can implement. I badly want both sides to find some middle ground, but that is not the GOP way.  They'll wait us out, say we blocked everything, then try to finish the take over of state government in 22.  Need to be ready.

[Recovering_Spaz]

1 minute ago, SkinsHokieFan said:

 

The Dems are a "big tent" party essentially filled with multiple coalitions. The GOP is a very specific, focused party, although now they want to regulate big businesses who are "woke" so we'll see how it works out long term. 

You don't have the modern Democratic party without a big tent and somehow gotta make it work. 

 

I'm not suggesting that the Dems abandon the big tent, but I am suggesting that they talk to said factions about agreeing to a short list of important issues that impacts all of them - and stick to that for an election cycle. Fighting climate change, defending voters rights, and improving healthcare for example - everyone in the big tent benefits from all three.

[hail2skins]

 

[tshile]

My son should be vaccinated before youngkin can take office and remove the mask mandate for schools. We’re waiting for the AAP to comment, but I’m assuming they will give their blessing soon and we’ll be cleared to vaccinate him. 
 

what I’m worried about is that youngkin will direct the department of health to remove their mask mandate. Which then places my 3 year old, whom cannot get vaccinated, in a daycare with a bunch unvaccinated maskless people. 
 

that age group isn’t required to wear a mask, but the workers are. And who knows what their vaccination status is. I don’t want to blow the situation out of proportion, I’m not panicking over here, but it is a concern of mine. 
 

and also how much private school is going to cost now, since they’re going to go full blast on that now. 

[Renegade7]

6 minutes ago, tshile said:

Hah. Looks like they changed something since last night. Republicans appear to have won the legislature too. 
 

Great. 

 

4 minutes ago, SkinsHokieFan said:

 

Yup. came in very late. 

 

The frustrating thing about it is when the GOP controls the VA government, they steal tax dollars from Northern Virginia. It is essentially socialism for ROVA

 

Virginia Senate wasn't up for election, so its still blue. GOP doesn't have full control of state yet. Yet.

[tshile]

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

 

Virginia Senate wasn't up for election, so its still blue. GOP doesn't have full control of state yet. Yet.

Thanks for the correction. 
 

yes it was the house that was 50:50 last night and is now 48:51 with 1 left to decide, republicans having control. 

[Dan T.]

 

[hail2skins]

Regarding #4....."the party of Donald Trump".......Lindsay, a recent article said you were screaming like a **** on 1/6 at the Capitol Police because they weren't doing enough to protect you on that day.  I really wish some of the 1/6 crowd had been able to get to you that day. If saying that makes me a terrible person, so be it.

[ixcuincle]

Republicans want less government in everything, but they won't throw the exception card for mask and vaccine mandates. "The government must control abortions, and whether LGBT can marry, but don't let us interfere with your right to wear a mask or get a vaccine."

No, you should probably still mask up and get a vaccine

[Warhead36]

Disappointed but not surprised. Dems ran a terrible campaign in VA.

[Dan T.]

Saw this earlier this morning:

 

Remember to turn your clocks back 1 hour Sunday at 2:00 am.  In Virginia people will turn their clocks back 50 years.

[Destino]

26 minutes ago, steve09ru said:

Not at all.  What I’m saying is that there are way too many instances of people yelling racist or racism because they don’t agree with the other person. 

 

I'm 100% for calling out where it exists but it’s also turning voters away who are continually called racist if they have different viewpoints (not specific to CRT).

 

look through the thread/threads and see how often that gets thrown out

Agreed.  After losing to Trump because they lost the working class, which many considered the democrats base, the reaction was largely to write these people off as racists.  After losing in VA because women, another key demographic for democrats, the reaction will no doubt be to call them Karen’s and racists.  It’s a lazy and unhelpful response.

 

I also see a lot of the college educated polls resulting in ridicule for these people.  Calling them stupid.  Why aren’t we alarmed that tradesman aren’t supporting the party that purports to care about them?  
 

Acting like a ****ty elitist that believes anyone that disagrees is a racist or a moron, isn’t going to help.  The game is winning elections, and shaping the future, and it’s won by securing wider support.  The response to a lost election should always be figuring out how to reach more voters next time.  

[Momma There Goes That Man]

30 minutes ago, steve09ru said:

Not at all.  What I’m saying is that there are way too many instances of people yelling racist or racism because they don’t agree with the other person. 

 

I'm 100% for calling out where it exists but it’s also turning voters away who are continually called racist if they have different viewpoints (not specific to CRT).

 

look through the thread/threads and see how often that gets thrown out

The point here, and it’s proven even more with the success of the fabricated CRT scare, is that a ton of people are actually racist and also simply don’t want to hear about that or about race in any way. That’s what CRT is all about and it’s also the point that you are making. You claim it gets thrown around too much but in reality it gets thrown around over racist statements, actions, policies and people. If it’s used a lot it’s because it exists a lot. And it seems people are tired of having to acknowledge either their own racism or it in general. 

I guess another point is that a lot people don’t care if they are racist or if the people they vote for are so calling them out doesn’t do anything. 
 

in the end, it all goes back to messaging for Dems. You can even run a vanilla textbook meh candidate like TM if you message well and he’s just the vehicle that delivers it. He didn’t do that and let “they’re teaching our kids to hate white people” to dominate the election.