tshile Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Honestly the movie being released in July is a better argument than this idea that you can substitute a plot device with another therefore it has nothing to do with it. you guys should just stick to the July release reason 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, tshile said: ... did you guys even watch the movie? they chose to do it at Christmas time because everyone’s distracted and things are shut down. His reason for being there, the main character, is related to Christmas. your argument here is terrible. NO YOUR ARGUMENT IS TERRIBLE! They could have used a hundred different reasons for the employees to be distracted and for McClane to be visiting his wife. They chose Christmas, but other than that the movie has nothing to do with Christmas. Christmas, as a religious and secular holiday, has a certain meaning related to the birth of Christ, commercialism, being kind to others etc. Christmas movies include those meanings in their major themes and plot points. Die Hard is a movie about killing terrorist thieves, explosions, and pithy one-liners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: Christmas, as a religious and secular holiday, has a certain meaning related to the birth of Christ, commercialism, being kind to others etc. Christmas movies include those meanings in their major themes and plot points. Die Hard is a movie about killing terrorist thieves, explosions, and pithy one-liners. Says the guy that’s favorite scene from an all time classic is where the, I believe you referred to him as murderous, character relentlessly attacks and attempts to kill another character and ultimately forces him into slavery and has his teeth removed against his will. I will agree that if you remove a plot device you can create a movie that no longer has the plot device. otherwise your argument is bad. all major characters have Christmas time interwoven into their makeup in the movie. It’s why the heist occurs when it occurs. It’s why John is there. It’s part of why we get the cop we get. And it’s referenced throughout. and it has at least two Christmas songs in it. You lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, tshile said: Says the guy that’s favorite scene from an all time classic is where the, I believe you referred to him as murderous, character relentlessly attacks and attempts to kill another character and ultimately forces him into slavery and has his teeth removed against his will. I referred to him as bloodthirsty. You are otherwise correct. 2 minutes ago, tshile said: I will agree that if you remove a plot device you can create a movie that no longer has the plot device. otherwise your argument is bad. all major characters have Christmas time interwoven into their makeup in the movie. It’s why the heist occurs when it occurs. It’s why John is there. It’s part of why we get the cop we get. And it’s referenced throughout. and it has at least two Christmas songs in it. You lose. You are confusing "setting" with "plot." It is a movie set during Christmas time. It is not a movie about Christmas. This is extraordinarily simple and Obama agrees with me. Ipso facto, you are a Qanon person and Covid denier and are wrong about literally everything, forever. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: are wrong about literally everything, forever. This is not a new sentiment about me. I accept. (I otherwise disagree strongly) Edited December 9, 2020 by tshile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Christmas, as a religious and secular holiday, has a certain meaning related to the birth of Christ, commercialism, being kind to others etc. Christmas movies include those meanings in their major themes and plot points. Die Hard is a movie about killing terrorist thieves, explosions, and pithy one-liners. 9 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: You are confusing "setting" with "plot." It is a movie set during Christmas time. It is not a movie about Christmas. These are the exact reasons. The July release date is just the ace up the sleeve but it's not needed because nothing about this movie is about Christmas or has anything to do with Christmas. it just happens to take place during a Christmas party. It has no impact on the characters or story beyond providing the setting. That is not enough and it's why removing christmas doesn't change a thing about the movie. It's the exact same movie. The entire plot of Home Alone 1-2, A Christmas Story, Miracle on 34th, Elf, etc are altered and the movies cannot function if you remove Christmas from them. Yeah you can rewrite similar movies around other holidays with similar messages but you have to rewrite them because the movies no longer work as they are if you take Christmas out of them. It's what they are about. Die Hard is the exact same movie without Christmas. You might have a couple missing words in a sentence and you don't know why everyone is gathered. Wow. Again, after the first 5 minutes that establishes the setting, the movie rolls on the same with or without Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 14 hours ago, bearrock said: Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. It's my first salvo in the War on Christmas. every movie with any amount of Christmas lights or a Christmas Tree in it is a Christmas movie. Even if that Christmas tree hasn’t been cut down yet and is in the woods somewhere. Just now, Momma There Goes That Man said: These are the exact reasons. The July release date is just the ace up the sleeve but it's not needed because nothing about this movie is about Christmas or has anything to do with Christmas. it just happens to take place during a Christmas party. It has no impact on the characters or story beyond providing the setting. That is not enough and it's why removing christmas doesn't change a thing about the movie. It's the exact same movie. The entire plot of Home Alone 1-2, A Christmas Story, Miracle on 34th, Elf, etc are altered and the movies cannot function if you remove Christmas from them. Yeah you can rewrite similar movies around other holidays with similar messages but you have to rewrite them because the movies no longer work as they are if you take Christmas out of them. It's what they are about. Die Hard is the exact same movie without Christmas. You might have a couple missing words in a sentence and you don't know why everyone is gathered. Wow. Again, after the first 5 minutes that establishes the setting, the movie rolls on the same with or without Christmas Bruce Willis isn’t gonna visit his family in mid September. He’s going to see them for the holidays and brings presents. The company isn’t having a mid-April party that conveniently gives terrorists an opportunity to rob the place by having everyone in one area. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hersh said: Bruce Willis isn’t gonna visit his family in mid September. He’s going to see them for the holidays and brings presents. The company isn’t having a mid-April party that conveniently gives terrorists an opportunity to rob the place by having everyone in one area. Clearly the only way to solve this is to have a company Christmas party every month of the year. The fact that 10-11 pre-Thanksgiving Christmas festivities a year would blow @PleaseBlitz's gasket is a side benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hersh said: Bruce Willis isn’t gonna visit his family in mid September. He’s going to see them for the holidays and brings presents. The company isn’t having a mid-April party that conveniently gives terrorists an opportunity to rob the place by having everyone in one area. What if you didn't know that this was a christmas party or why Bruce Willis is in town? Nothing about the movie changes. It can't be a christmas movie if it is exactly the same movie without christmas. I'm not saying substitute a different holiday, which you could easily do. I'm saying literally strip everything christmas related from the movie. Dialogue, songs, decorations etc. Just edit them out of the movie in post-production. You're left with the exact same movie. No plot holes, no missing scenes, the exact same message and theme, dialogue is the same, etc. You've still got 99.9% of the movie. the only thing lost is you just don't know why they are there which is not even that important. 1 minute ago, bearrock said: Clearly the only way to solve this is to have a company Christmas party every month of the year. The fact that 10-11 pre-Thanksgiving Christmas festivities a year would blow @PleaseBlitz's gasket is a side benefit. This isn't even the argument that I'm making but this could be a company Halloween, St Patrick's Day, Thanksgiving, New Year's, July 4th, Memorial Day party and Bruce is in town for any of thousand different reasons. It's his kid's birthday and he's bringing presents. The plot is the exact same because Christmas is just the setting and has nothing to do with he actual plot, characters, message etc of the movie. I’m going to die on this hill that it isn’t a Christmas movie and then I’m going to kill every one of you that thinks it is 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hersh said: Bruce Willis isn’t gonna visit his family in mid September. He’s going to see them for the holidays and brings presents. The company isn’t having a mid-April party that conveniently gives terrorists an opportunity to rob the place by having everyone in one area. Well he is a ****ty husband and father, which actually is a significant part of his character development throughout the franchise. Die Hard could easily be a New Years movie if you replace the dialogue "Christmas Party" with "New Years Party", him humming one Christmas song with humming Auld Lang Syne and replace a few Santa hats with novelty New Years party hats. Bam, still not a new years movie. 53 minutes ago, bearrock said: Clearly the only way to solve this is to have a company Christmas party every month of the year. The fact that 10-11 pre-Thanksgiving Christmas festivities a year would blow @PleaseBlitz's gasket is a side benefit. I would refer to them as pre-Thanksgiving HOLIDAY festivities to piss off conservatives. War on Christmas: conquered. Edited December 9, 2020 by PleaseBlitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hersh said: every movie with any amount of Christmas lights or a Christmas Tree in it is a Christmas movie. Even if that Christmas tree hasn’t been cut down yet and is in the woods somewhere. Exactly. Or if that movie has Xmas related themes. For example: Silence of the Lambs. Great Xmas movie. How do I know...totally obvious: the lead male FBI agent is Jack Crawford. J.C. Ya know who else has the initials J.C. ... Jesus Christ. Also it mentions Lambs...Lamb of God anyone? I think its pretty clear. Now I just want my claymation Xmas special with Santa looking at an expectant child down a chimney saying "It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the coal again". ...sorry...I'll see myself out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Lol "the libs"....guessing there's a picture of someone in sunglasses attached too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: Die Hard could easily be a New Years movie if you replace the dialogue "Christmas Party" with "New Years Party", him humming one Christmas song with humming Auld Lang Syne and replace a few Santa hats with novelty New Years party hats. Bam, greatest New Years movie ever. Logic dictates that you must think it’s the greatest Christmas movie ever, since all of those things were about Christmas in the actual movie and that’s all you changes. I knew you’d come around. My work here is done. Merry Christmas!!! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: What if you didn't know that this was a christmas party or why Bruce Willis is in town? Nothing about the movie changes. It can't be a christmas movie if it is exactly the same movie without christmas. I'm not saying substitute a different holiday, which you could easily do. I'm saying literally strip everything christmas related from the movie. Dialogue, songs, decorations etc. Just edit them out of the movie in post-production. You're left with the exact same movie. No plot holes, no missing scenes, the exact same message and theme, dialogue is the same, etc. You've still got 99.9% of the movie. the only thing lost is you just don't know why they are there which is not even that important. Home Alone can happen in July when school gets out. It’s a wonderful life can take place any day of the entire year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: It's not a major plot point if after 5 minutes it's irrelevant to the entire rest of the movie. Christmas does nothing in Die Hard but establish a setting which isn't even something unique to Christmas. It plays no role at all in the movie Ok...now I know you're crazy... How is it not a major plot point. If its not Christmas he's not there to get his wife. If he's not there to get his wife everyone dies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xameil said: Ok...now I know you're crazy... How is it not a major plot point. If its not Christmas he's not there to get his wife. If he's not there to get his wife everyone dies... What if he just decided to visit his wife? You know, just because she is his wife and he misses her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Well he is a ****ty husband and father, which actually is a significant part of his character development throughout the franchise. Die Hard could easily be a New Years movie if you replace the dialogue "Christmas Party" with "New Years Party", him humming one Christmas song with humming Auld Lang Syne and replace a few Santa hats with novelty New Years party hats. Bam, greatest New Years movie ever. And Will Ferrell could’ve been accidentally transported to China and not the North Pole. He realizes he’s different, returns to NYC and spreads communism along the way in June. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: What if he just decided to visit his wife? You know, just because she is his wife and he misses her. Poppy****... Next you're gonna say he was just in DC because he wanted to go visit his in-laws... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Some of you boneheads probably watch Hallmark Christmas movies. If so, that's where the war on Christmas should start. If war is not possible, prison time listening to Nickelback on a loop may suffice for your penance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: What if he just decided to visit his wife? You know, just because she is his wife and he misses her. Way to come up with the most unrealistic movie/life plot ever. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: What if he just decided to visit his wife? You know, just because she is his wife and he misses her. What if instead it was a war movie in the Middle East? or a hallmark movie where all they do is kiss in a gazebo a few times with some in between consisting of them not liking the other until it’s too late and they are with someone else? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Xameil said: Poppy****... Next you're gonna say he was just in DC because he wanted to go visit his in-laws... 1 minute ago, Hersh said: Way to come up with the most unrealistic movie/life plot ever. John McClane has NEEDS. Edited December 9, 2020 by PleaseBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, tshile said: What if instead it was a war movie in the Middle East? this made me cry laughing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: John McClane has NEEDS. That his in-laws are providing?!? Well...that answers some questions about your family life... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: John McClane has NEEDS. That he can’t get in New York or Jersey?? Edited December 9, 2020 by Hersh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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