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Skintime Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 14 minutes ago, Springfield said: So justices and jurors regularly coordinate the defendant’s defense with them? Ya learn something new every day. Sure would be good to see a trumper do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 For the average Trumper, there is value in ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 so getting impeached being tied to the call summary has inspired the orange bag-o-crap to shut that **** down...he has put into effect what the most senior wh aides are calling the vindman rule---from now only trump and whatever top cabinet political appointees he chooses (his cronies) will be on any call with a foreign gov and there won't be experts or analysts from any of the deep state controlled agencies anymore...from now on the goal is to have it be 2 or 3, and they are changing who gets to read transcripts and how they're stored and disseminated...details unavailable... in my best don meredith voice "turn out the lights, the party's over" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, spjunkies said: So sad, so true. America is broken and I don't think she can be fixed. It’s not broken! That’s just bs liberal talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, ClaytoAli said: It’s not broken! That’s just bs liberal talk. I swear to god Trump supporters would absolutely let this entire country burn to the ground just to "stick it to the libs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skintime Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It's gonna take a war to get our country back. No matter how many millions of votes that are cast for whatever Dem that wins, he will claim victory, and appeal it to the SC and they will announce Putin our King and trump his Mini King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Burgold said: I don’t know if lying about an affair (even under oath) qualifies as a national security risk/high crime or misdemeanor. The issue isn’t lying about an affair. It’s lying under oath. If you don’t punish people for lying under oath then that’s just one of the steps the trump admin is trying to work in to get to a state where there is no authority and the rules and laws don’t matter impeaching Clinton was more about protecting the sanctity of our legal system for all of us than anything else. You can’t tolerate lying under oath the fact that it was a bs investigation and the only thing they got him on was lying about his affair, is why there was no reason to remove him. trump there’s every reason to remove him. and then have him investigated by sdny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The most frustrating thing so far about rooting for the democrats (cause this is new for me) is that in regards to strategy, they are awful like really awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, tshile said: The most frustrating thing so far about rooting for the democrats (cause this is new for me) is that in regards to strategy, they are awful like really awful. I am not a member of any organized political party. I, sir, an a Democrat. - Will Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, tshile said: The issue isn’t lying about an affair. It’s lying under oath. If you don’t punish people for lying under oath then that’s just one of the steps the trump admin is trying to work in to get to a state where there is no authority and the rules and laws don’t matter Don't want to relitigate this, but you really oughtn't (in my opinion) separate the one from the other. Clinton lied under oath about having an affair. Sure, you can make a blanket statement that no one should ever lie under oath and I will probably agree with you. However, I will also say that certain lies have different weights. Certain lies matter more. Where do we rate lying about an affair on the scale? As to whether lying under oath matters in Trumpville, the Clinton case has no baring whatsoever. The Republicans have shown time and time again that what's good for the goose has no bearing on the gander. Hypocrisy or fairness doesn't bother them in the least. How else could they move against Franken as they did while ignoring members of their own party who did worse? So, in an ideal reality you might have a point, but in this reality Clinton lying under oath about an affair is hogwash. It was neither consequential nor harmful to the United States national security or his ability to function as POTUS. But to take it a step further, If perjury mattered then Kavanaugh claiming his sexual exploits weren't sexual exploits but just the name of a drinking game would have made him ineligible for the Supreme Court (or you can pick one of the other several dozen other times that kavanaugh told obvious bold faced lies while under oath. The Republicans do not hold their own to any standard. They hold Democrats to a standard that neither Jesus, Ghandi, nor Superman could live up to. 3 minutes ago, Larry said: I am not a member of any organized political party. I, sir, an a Democrat. - Will Rogers. Said more than a hundred years ago and still accurate lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Burgold said: Where do we rate lying about an affair on the scale? On a scale of 1 to 10, a 1. I mean I think it’s a **** move to cheat on your wife so if he was a friend I’d be pissed. But as a career politician being possibly removed from office, hah nah it’s a 1. but lying under oath is a 10. and I’m not using the republicans as a guide on where my ethics and morality fall. don’t get me wrong, generally I’m more pragmatic about this sort of thing and less punitive, but we’re not talking about an issue within my social group. we’re talking about what fundamentally holds this democracy together. If the courts and the legislative branches lose their oversight ability of the executive then we’re in deep ****. it being ok for the head of the executive to walk into congress and lie, and get caught, and not act? Yeah that’s deep **** whats stupid is the lie was about banging the intern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Jumbo said: so getting impeached being tied to the call summary has inspired the orange bag-o-crap to shut that **** down...he has put into effect what the most senior wh aides are calling the vindman rule---from now only trump and whatever top cabinet political appointees he chooses (his cronies) will be on any call with a foreign gov and there won't be experts or analysts from any of the deep state controlled agencies anymore...from now on the goal is to have it be 2 or 3, and they are changing who gets to read transcripts and how they're stored and disseminated...details unavailable... in my best don meredith voice "turn out the lights, the party's over" From now on, we have to make sure that there are no potential squealers listening to Trump's perfectly fine expert negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I can respect that @tshile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tshile Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Burgold said: I can respect that @tshile The complaint you have is valid no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, tshile said: impeaching Clinton was more about protecting the sanctity of our legal system for all of us than anything else. So, you're saying that the GOP impeached Clinton because of their deep desire to protect the sanctity of our legal system from the executive branch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Larry said: So, you're saying that the GOP impeached Clinton because of their deep desire to protect the sanctity of our legal system from the executive branch? They were obviously early #MeToo adopters. some of ya'll need to surrender your badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, twa said: They were obviously early #MeToo adopters. some of ya'll need to surrender your badges. No the republicans were clawing for anything and got lucky. a few were willing to show they actually had mixed feelings about it all with their votes. But the undertone was digging for anything. The general public was able to accept that it was right to impeach him but not remove him. It’s why he’s still so popular and liked and respected, but also no one really argues anything other than it was a stupid reason to get impeached. it is cute to try to make them some sort of early supporters of women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skintime Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: He is almost as scummy as trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Skintime said: He is almost as scummy as trump. Much, much, more so. He's nowhere near as stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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