StillUnknown Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 "If you donate millions, and have a mostly ceremonial job", and "if you're a decorated military veteran in a national security job". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Plus, Sondland at least tried to do the honorable thing by lying to cover up Trump's crimes. Where he ****ed up was that he didn't keep lying after he got caught. The "Lieutenant Colonel" on the other hand just spilled the beans right away without even trying to lie... not even a little obfuscation. He's a coward and should be executed for treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 It’s not even Vindman (though that’s bad enough) the real ugliness is Trump firing Vindman’s brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Plus, Sondland at least tried to do the honorable thing by lying to cover up Trump's crimes. Where he ****ed up was that he didn't keep lying after he got caught. The "Lieutenant Colonel" on the other hand just spilled the beans right away without even trying to lie... not even a little obfuscation. He's a coward and should be executed for treason. both seem to have been careless with privileged communications odd ya'll ain't defending Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, twa said: both seem to have been careless with privileged communications Conspiracy to extort illegal campaign contributions are not privileged communications. Ask Michael Cohen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, twa said: odd ya'll ain't defending Flynn No it isn't. On the POS Scale it goes Sondland > Flynn > Trump Vindman is the only name of the four worth defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/secret-service-skipping-reports-on-payment-to-trump-resorts-wapo-78365253559?cid=sm_fb_maddow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, twa said: both seem to have been careless with privileged communications odd ya'll ain't defending Flynn You keep peddling this unsubstantiated allegation that Vindman was a leaker and inappropriately undermined Trump. There's zero evidence to corroborate the Trump camp's allegations (even Morrison's allegations being the "I had heard of Vindman's reputation as a leaker" variety). Vindman spoke of his concerns to NSC attorneys and truthfully testified before Congress. Those are the proven instances of him disclosing the content of the Ukraine call. If you have citations to Vindman actually leaking classified info, then cite it. If you want to go out on a limb and believe Trump's story (one contradicted by Jr.), that's up to you. But let's not pretend that there is anything more than vague, unsubstantiated allegations to support such a view. (If there is, stop being vague and obtuse and cite the instances of Vindman's leaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 It's not a vague, unsubstantiated rumor. It's a completely false claim that Trumpettes are trying to pretend means the same thing as "snitched on a Republican". It's become a conditioned response by now. Trump orders James Comey to obstruct an FBI investigation, to protect his administration. Comey writes down the orders (and subsequent orders), and shares them with others, so there will be a record. Trumpettes: "He was fired for mishandling confidential information. (That Trump didn't even know existed until after he fired him.)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Larry said: It's not a vague, unsubstantiated rumor. time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, twa said: time will tell. "Wait long enough. We'll eventually come up with something we can spin, and try to pretend like this wasn't what it clearly obviously is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Larry said: "Wait long enough. We'll eventually come up with something we can spin, and try to pretend like this wasn't what it clearly obviously is." we obviously need to investigate it and have hearings....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Sure, Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The "Vindman is a leaker" story is another example of the double standard of what information is merely accepted as fact versus what information they claim is "hearsay." The Vindman stuff has nothing to back it outside of "because Guiliani said it" yet it is being covered and reported by right-wing media as a fact. Yet, the whistleblower, corroborating witnesses, Bolton, etc etc etc.....is somehow unconvincing to these same people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, twa said: we obviously need to investigate it and have hearings....right? If there is a credible basis to suspect such an allegation, absolutely. I'm just not sure the current POTUS is type to call for investigations and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 hours ago, twa said: both seem to have been careless with privileged communications What specifically did Vindman leak? And to whom? Reporting the nature of potentially illegal actions through the correct process within the IC structure is not ‘leaking’. 1 hour ago, twa said: we obviously need to investigate it and have hearings....right? If there is credible evidence of illegal activity sure. But we both know this is about having an investigation so mud sticks whatever the nature of the actions - there is no credible evidence that has been produced to link Joe Biden with anything behind having a son making money off the family name. And if Giuliani had found anything you can guarantee to it would have been leaked by now. But I do agree no one should be above the law and the requirement to submit to investigations and proceedings that result from those investigations. No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, twa said: time will tell. Or so you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 51 minutes ago, MartinC said: What specifically did Vindman leak? And to whom? Reporting the nature of potentially illegal actions through the correct process within the IC structure is not ‘leaking’. reporting or discussing it with anyone other than superiors or the IG framework would be leaking right? aside from official testimony to congress of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The Republican Party sure does seem to be scared of the Dem who's in fourth place for the nomination right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Larry said: The Republican Party sure does seem to be scared of the Dem who's in fourth place for the nomination right now. Biden? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, twa said: reporting or discussing it with anyone other than superiors or the IG framework would be leaking right? aside from official testimony to congress of course. That’s too narrow a definition of ‘leaking’. He would as part of his normal responsibility brief his chain of command on the contents and subject of the call and as part of that quite legitimately report concerns. If he was talking to people outside his chain of command or normal briefing list that would be a leak. There has been no credible report that happened. Have you seen anything credible on this? (And let’s be clear Trumps statements are NOT credible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 twa is, despicably, doing here what Trump and his loyalists have done to Vindman. Talk bull**** about someone, with no substance behind it. Do it enough that it becomes an "issue" only in that people respond to the untruths and innuendo, so the story gets repeated. It a classic asshole move Trump does all the time. "Many people are saying"... It's shameful enough when the shameless do it. Don't sink to the level of Trump. I, naively, thought twa was better than that. I honestly thought smearing someone was beneath him, but he's proving me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 That’s the right wing playbook. They make up something, completely fake and devoid of any fact, then regurgitate it through their propaganda arm until all the morons believe it as fact. The smart ones that know better just continue repeating it because they’ve chosen to do this rather than be honest people with actual values just the same way they’ve done this about Obama wiretapping Trump, fisa abuse, caravans, illegal voting and anyone that they want to smear along the way. It’s the alternate world they build for their supporters to live in and shield them from truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 How Right-Wing media creates a story: 1. "I've heard...." 2. Different right wing source quotes the source "that heard" 3. Source from Step 1, reports based on Step 2 reporting on their "I've heard..." 4. Every other right-wing source reports on Steps 1-3 as if they are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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