TradeTheBeal! Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I guess “presidential harassment” is the new flavor of “deep state”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: I guess “presidential harassment” is the new flavor of “deep state”. I can’t stop laughing at how pathetic he really is. To think people support Trump as if he’s a tough guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 39 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: I guess “presidential harassment” is the new flavor of “deep state”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, visionary said: You know it’s not good for Trump when Foxnews runs something like this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 He's no longer proud to own the shutdown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: He's no longer proud to own the shutdown. This may be the worst Trump has ever come across on Twitter. Everyone, even his base, knows he said he would be proud of the shutdown. He’s completely misreading this one, which is not a surprise since he’s a moron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 10 hours ago, Hersh said: This may be the worst Trump has ever come across on Twitter. Everyone, even his base, knows he said he would be proud of the shutdown. He’s completely misreading this one, which is not a surprise since he’s a moron They are in thrall, indifferent and unaware of even the most basic realities, I guarantee they are echoing the Schumer Shutdown this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, LD0506 said: They are in thrall, indifferent and unaware of even the most basic realities, I guarantee they are echoing the Schumer Shutdown this morning They may try but there is so much working against Trump on this particular issue. I don’t think it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 This budget fight makes no sense. 1) Trump got $1.3B for "Border Security / Wall" last year from a GOP Congress. 2) The Senate was going to continue to give him the $1.3B -- they voted 100 to 0 for the $1.3B 3) The House just went to Democrats who want to give $0 for the Wall. How the hell does Trump have any leverage other than media outlets that are mis-characterizing the situation -- or himself mis-characterizing his strength? And now McConnell is saying, "We won't vote for a bill the President won't sign..." yes, because he won't sign your bill, which is the bill he signed last year, which the Democrats had no leverage on. If McConnell not voting on the bill that passed the Senate 100-0 doesn't earn him hypocrit of the year and doesn't get everyone in the news media properly characterizing the standoff.... I will be raging in a week... At a minimum, the GOP needs to craft some type of DACA fix legislation (even if it covers 50% of the DACA recipients) and maybe they will get the $2.1B for border security. They want more money from the Dems, what are they willing to trade for it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) This isnt about the wall, this is about 2020. Hes thinking too far ahead, which is surprising considering how little he thinks. Edited January 1, 2019 by Renegade7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Fergasun said: This budget fight makes no sense. 1) Trump got $1.3B for "Border Security / Wall" last year from a GOP Congress. 2) The Senate was going to continue to give him the $1.3B -- they voted 100 to 0 for the $1.3B 3) The House just went to Democrats who want to give $0 for the Wall. How the hell does Trump have any leverage other than media outlets that are mis-characterizing the situation -- or himself mis-characterizing his strength? Just a reminder that, for nearly all of Trumps positions, there is no “there” there. It’s simply that Authoritarian leaders sow discord and chaos as a feature of their governing. It’s what allows them to maintain power. Its all a schtick. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Fergasun said: This budget fight makes no sense. 1) Trump got $1.3B for "Border Security / Wall" last year from a GOP Congress. 2) The Senate was going to continue to give him the $1.3B -- they voted 100 to 0 for the $1.3B 3) The House just went to Democrats who want to give $0 for the Wall. How the hell does Trump have any leverage other than media outlets that are mis-characterizing the situation -- or himself mis-characterizing his strength? And now McConnell is saying, "We won't vote for a bill the President won't sign..." yes, because he won't sign your bill, which is the bill he signed last year, which the Democrats had no leverage on. If McConnell not voting on the bill that passed the Senate 100-0 doesn't earn him hypocrit of the year and doesn't get everyone in the news media properly characterizing the standoff.... I will be raging in a week... At a minimum, the GOP needs to craft some type of DACA fix legislation (even if it covers 50% of the DACA recipients) and maybe they will get the $2.1B for border security. They want more money from the Dems, what are they willing to trade for it? Dems are in a great position. The House should pass comprehensive immigration reform nearly identical to the bi-partisan bill passed in 2013. They have the GOP in a really bad spot now. Dems should demand the moon if Trump wants anything for the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Got a feeling things aren't working out any time soon, here. Feels like both sides in DC think that the shutdown isn't that bad. And they both think that they are being successful in blaming the other side. Neither side thinks the current situation is a problem. And I look at this thread, and I see people making suggestions on how to escalate the fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hersh Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, Larry said: Got a feeling things aren't working out any time soon, here. Feels like both sides in DC think that the shutdown isn't that bad. And they both think that they are being successful in blaming the other side. Neither side thinks the current situation is a problem. And I look at this thread, and I see people making suggestions on how to escalate the fight. This is NOT a both sides issue. This is a Trump won't sign anything unless he gets money for a wall issue. The GOP party doesn't want this fight. The Dems are going to pass the same budget the Senate already passed. This might be the dumbest of all shutdowns in recent history. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hersh said: This is NOT a both sides issue. This is a Trump won't sign anything unless he gets money for a wall issue. Are there 51 votes in the Senate to give him that? (I suspect there's not. But I'd be willing to put it to a vote, and see.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Larry said: Are there 51 votes in the Senate to give him that? (I suspect there's not. But I'd be willing to put it to a vote, and see.) The Senate already passed a CR with no wall money. The fact that they wouldn't do it again is on the GOP, not of the Dems. Edited January 1, 2019 by Hersh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Hersh said: The Senate already passed a CR with no wall money. The fact that they wouldn't do it again is on the GOP, not of the Dems. Just out of curiosity, why did you quote me if you have no intention of answering my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Larry said: Just out of curiosity, why did you quote me if you have no intention of answering my question? There are more than 51 votes to pass a CR. Though I think they need 60. The problem is that McConnell won’t bring another bill to the floor cause the GOP has abdicated their responsibility to pass bills without worrying about whether Trump would sign the bill. Heck, there are enough votes on both sides to overturn a veto. Edited January 1, 2019 by Hersh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 The wall is almost done anyways and Mexico still paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Fun observation about the shutdown: The amount of day-drinking I saw downtown on Sunday was amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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