Breaking: Redskins claim Reuben Foster NFL.COM

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

1 hour ago, kleese said:

Here is one question I have for everyone. If Rueben Foster doesn’t deserve to be employed by an NFL team, then does he deserve to be employed at all? 

 

I mean, from a moral standpoint it shouldn’t matter if it’s the Redskins or UPS or Wal Mart or your local gas station. Are you saying it’s not OK for an NFL team to employe someone accused of domestic abuse but it is OK for 7-11? Is that person any more or less of a threat working at Target as opposed to playing football? 

 

Point being, he’s not in jail, he hasn’t been convicted. Clearly, he has troubles. Clearly, he needs guidance, perhaps even on a professional/counseling level. But do these allegations then mean that he should not be abllowed to earn a living? Or should he just not be allowed

to earn a GOOD living? 

 

I dont blame any team or other business from passing on his services. I totally get it. I own my own business and currently have about 50 employees and I would tread lightly as well. But I also won’t condemn a business that does give someone a chance. Because if from here on out, everyone turns their back on Foster and no one ever extends him an opportunity to work, then I’m not sure if that will ultimately be doing more good than harm. 

Had it been an isolated incident, I’d understand 

 

but this guy has been arrested 3 times in a year. That is insane. He got kicked out of the combine. Multiple DV accusations. He’s not exactly showing that he’s reformed himself. He just got arrested Saturday. 

 

Im all for criminal justice reform but not really for people like this. 

[Koolblue13]

I think I'm done as a fan. I cant get behind this. I dont want to see him do well. 

[dcdiscokid]

39 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

Roll Tide > Everything else.

 

It can't be worse than our previous Tampa Bay connections > everything.

Roll tide.... got to be better than than tb connection

17 minutes ago, NikeRedskin7 said:

 

L

There were also texts from her to Zeke trying to extort him for money.  See this is my problem.  When the commissioner suspended Zeke for no legit legal reason, he gave the green light to all future gold diggers and butt hurt ex-girlfriends to have the power to derail the careers of NFL athletes when they don't get their way.

 

Goodell pretty much sent the message to all weman that no matter whether she accuses a player of something and no matter what the law deems as fraudulent or questionable statements and evidence against a player that's worthy to throw out.....   She still can affect his livelihood with lies.

I think he flys by seat of pants so not so sure...

[skins2victory]

Geese some of you people are an emotional wreck. I mean seriously....  Of all the things we have gone threw as a Redskin fan base, some are saying THIS is now why your done as a fan. Ya'll must be hangry or something, go eat some food. LOL

[joeken24]

On 11/27/2018 at 9:40 PM, PotomacGator said:

Ruben ****ing foster?? Are you ****ing kidding me?????

 

i hope this team gets blown out in every remaining game. I will be rooting for it. I hope Williams and every piece of **** asshole who was involved in this gets fired.

I suppose you're intimately involved in the details of Rueben Fosters case. You know beyond doubt that he's guilty. If that's that case, kudos for your stance. If not, you're a part of the problem in our society. Fact is, there's not a man on this thread that is not one phone call away from being falsely accused of something against a women. This is a horrible climate for that **** to happen. A vindictive women is dangerous and she doesn't have to know you. I want to say that in the state of Maryland, a man is automatically arrested if they are even reported. The cops cannot conduct an investigation on the spot. They have to arrest you. Not jumping to judgement, but this women has already lied to authorities in the last case. So we'll see. 

Either way, you hope for the best for all parties involved. There's 7 billion people in the world. Allowing one person to cause you stress is stupid.

 

[goskins10]

2 hours ago, kleese said:

Here is one question I have for everyone. If Rueben Foster doesn’t deserve to be employed by an NFL team, then does he deserve to be employed at all? 

 

I mean, from a moral standpoint it shouldn’t matter if it’s the Redskins or UPS or Wal Mart or your local gas station. Are you saying it’s not OK for an NFL team to employe someone accused of domestic abuse but it is OK for 7-11? Is that person any more or less of a threat working at Target as opposed to playing football? 

 

Point being, he’s not in jail, he hasn’t been convicted. Clearly, he has troubles. Clearly, he needs guidance, perhaps even on a professional/counseling level. But do these allegations then mean that he should not be abllowed to earn a living? Or should he just not be allowed

to earn a GOOD living? 

 

I dont blame any team or other business from passing on his services. I totally get it. I own my own business and currently have about 50 employees and I would tread lightly as well. But I also won’t condemn a business that does give someone a chance. Because if from here on out, everyone turns their back on Foster and no one ever extends him an opportunity to work, then I’m not sure if that will ultimately be doing more good than harm. 

 

The guy is accused of beating up a defenseless human being. And more importantly this is not the first time. So since this is not the first time this has come up then no he does not get the benefit of the doubt. This is not a parking ticket or smoking some weed or even a DUI or something like that. As a business owner I would not hire someone accused of something like this for any job until they were cleared. If he turns out to be guilty and while it was working its way through the courts he hurt someone in my store, I would never forgive myself.  

 

Let me ask you this, if your daughter, sister, mother etc. worked at the same 7-11 would you want him hired?

[kleese]

2 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

The guy is accused of beating up a defenseless human being. And more importantly this is not the first time. So since this is not the first time this has come up then no he does not get the benefit of the doubt. This is not a parking ticket or smoking some weed or even a DUI or something like that. As a business owner I would not hire someone accused of something like this for any job until they were cleared. If he turns out to be guilty and while it was working its way through the courts he hurt someone in my store, I would never forgive myself.  

 

Let me ask you this, if your daughter, sister, mother etc. worked at the same 7-11 would you want him hired?

 

Do you feel the same way about Roethlisberger? 

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Exactly, it’s all rumor and innuendo until it’s your momma getting the **** slapped out of her 

[RemoveSnyder]

45 minutes ago, Redskins Reparations said:

Have recent pictures of his girlfirend surfaced?

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

1 minute ago, kleese said:

 

Do you feel the same way about Roethlisberger? 

Dude, every person you’re naming is roundly criticized for those actions all the time outside of their fan bases

 

theyre just lucky they did their dirt before people actually started caring about women and the **** they go through. Call it “outrage culture” or whatever bs faux political term you want, things are different now. And it’s for the better. Burden of proof is on the accused and again, the % of these cases being bs is minuscule 

[goskins10]

Just now, kleese said:

 

Do you feel the same way about Roethlisberger? 

 

Yes. I do. I think the guy is a POS and should not in the NFL. And if he were not a good QB he would not be working in the NFL, or most jobs. It's part of the NFL hypocrisy.

 

I answered both your questions but did not answer mine. Would you want Foster working with your daughter, mother, sister?

[dcdiscokid]

4 minutes ago, kleese said:

 

Do you feel the same way about Roethlisberger? 

I think the thing is we as a fanbase cant take this and compare to another team.  We want perfection, we want to see we are getting close, and it's all falling apart again, and this doesnt make it easier.

2 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

Yes. I do. I think the guy is a POS and should not in the NFL. And if he were not a good QB he would not be working in the NFL, or most jobs. It's part of the NFL hypocrisy.

 

I answered both your questions but did not answer mine. Would you want Foster working with your daughter, mother, sister?

tbh ill bet he's a nice guy until your hot and hes ****ing you....

[kleese]

1 minute ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Dude, every person you’re naming is roundly criticized for those actions all the time outside of their fan bases

 

theyre just lucky they did their dirt before people actually started caring about women and the **** they go through. Call it “outrage culture” or whatever bs faux political term you want, things are different now. And it’s for the better. Burden of proof is on the accused and again, the % of these cases being bs is minuscule 

 

Fair enough, but I just want people to be consistent. Peyton Manning was also accused of sexual assault. Unless you have intimate knowledge of each case I find it weird that people would choose to believe some and not others. 

 

For me, I don’t know any of these guys and I likely never will. No real clue if they are “good” or “bad” or in between. I just root for the football team. Of course if something takes place that is itrfuatable like a Rae Carruth type of situation or something else extreme like that I of course wouldn’t want them on my team. But there is such a a grey area between accused and convicted and even more grey area when it

comes to morality. 

[dcdiscokid]

3 minutes ago, dcdiscokid said:

I think the thing is we as a fanbase cant take this and compare to another team.  We want perfection, we want to see we are getting close, and it's all falling apart again, and this doesnt make it easier.

tbh ill bet he's a nice guy until your hot and hes ****ing you....

And here's what I can offer, probably not relevant, but still shows a mind set... I hit one girl in my life, she hit my sister, and I instantly knocked her out.  Still to this day feel bad about it, but it was reaction, and ur not ****ing with my sister. so everyone screaming never hit a girl what you do in that situation?

 

[98ORAKPO98]

2 hours ago, kleese said:

Here is one question I have for everyone. If Rueben Foster doesn’t deserve to be employed by an NFL team, then does he deserve to be employed at all? 

 

I mean, from a moral standpoint it shouldn’t matter if it’s the Redskins or UPS or Wal Mart or your local gas station. Are you saying it’s not OK for an NFL team to employe someone accused of domestic abuse but it is OK for 7-11? Is that person any more or less of a threat working at Target as opposed to playing football? 

 

Point being, he’s not in jail, he hasn’t been convicted. Clearly, he has troubles. Clearly, he needs guidance, perhaps even on a professional/counseling level. But do these allegations then mean that he should not be abllowed to earn a living? Or should he just not be allowed

to earn a GOOD living? 

 

I dont blame any team or other business from passing on his services. I totally get it. I own my own business and currently have about 50 employees and I would tread lightly as well. But I also won’t condemn a business that does give someone a chance. Because if from here on out, everyone turns their back on Foster and no one ever extends him an opportunity to work, then I’m not sure if that will ultimately be doing more good than harm. 

Wow that's a lot of employees, just curious, what type of business do you own? Do you invest your business profits into real estate? I'm looking into becoming a business owner of some kind and have plans to do this. 😃

[kleese]

5 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

Yes. I do. I think the guy is a POS and should not in the NFL. And if he were not a good QB he would not be working in the NFL, or most jobs. It's part of the NFL hypocrisy.

 

I answered both your questions but did not answer mine. Would you want Foster working with your daughter, mother, sister?

 

I don’t know because I don’t know Foster and I don’t know what’s true and what’s not. Of course, in general if I was asked if I wanted my daughter to date someone accused of domestic violence... obviously no. In a less intimate and personal environment like a workplace, no I don’t think it would bother me particularly. It’s one of those things where if you KNOW then yes it could make you uneasy. But I’d feel the same if I knew someone she worked with snorted lines before work or robbed a bank ten years ago or looked at porn on his computer at work, etc.. Meaning lots of people do lots of things that would likely make you uneasy if they came to light. 

 

And the point remains... if every employer takes the same approach and no one opens the door, then Rueben Foster is then unable to obtain employment which then likely makes it difficult for him to ever rebound and contribute something positive to society. 

[goskins10]

2 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

So, why did he drop? Why did we pass on him in round 2? You say a guy has no baggage, but these teams do background checks on these prospects that go deep into their childhood, things that won’t ever be released. If he’s a massive talent that many considered one of the top 10 in the draft, why would he fall if all that existed was something you believe is nonsense?

 

 

 

Players drop on draft day all the time based on last second fear later to be found to be bull****. Le'al Collins is a good example for both issues here. He fell simply for being linked to a crime that he was not even accused of. It turned out he had nothing to do with anything yet he went completely undrafted. But he had not played a single down in the NFL so it was easier for teams to pass. They somehow found a way to take the higher moral ground.

 

But since Foster has shown he can play, all of a sudden the bar is set lower. Teams are willing to take a chance - well at least this team is - and I am sure there was/is someone else.

 

As for Guice - his drop was 100% because of he draft day rumors of issues at the combine that came out just before the draft, but more because of his injury in college. He has no criminal baggage. And yes I feel very comfortable that I know this because I did extensive research on the guy. Not as much as the teams of course, but I have read just about everything there is to read on the guy. I drafted him our mock draft. He was my #1 target. There was nothing to suggest there was anything in this kids history that would cause him to be a problem. It was just some bull**** rumor that TMZ would come out with something damning. We are still waiting. And yes, that is enough for a players draft stock to fall.

 

 

[kleese]

2 minutes ago, 98ORAKPO98 said:

Wow that's a lot of employees, just curious, what type of business do you own? Do you invest your business profits into real estate? I'm looking into becoming a business owner of some kind and have plans to do this. 😃

 

Trampoline Park... most employees between ages of 16-21. Keeps you on your toes...

[NickyJ]

49 minutes ago, joeken24 said:

This is around the same move the Redskins made with D-Jax.

This is NOTHING like D-Jax. Jackson has never been arrested. Ever.

[kleese]

I’ll also say this, a pro football team might be the best possible environment for someone to rehab themselves in this type of

situation.

 

1. You don’t work with the general public. 

 

2. Your work environment is very structured and very limited.

 

3. It is male dominated. 

 

4. You will likely be provided many resources to help in the form of counseling both professionally and from a mentor/friend level. 

 

So set aside your personal feeling on the issue and just ask yourself if you think Foster should ever be able to work again in any capacity. If the answer to that is yes, then I think a pro football team is just about the BEST possible situation. 

[goskins10]

2 minutes ago, kleese said:

 

I don’t know because I don’t know Foster and I don’t know what’s true and what’s not. Of course, in general if I was asked if I wanted my daughter to date someone accused of domestic violence... obviously no. In a less intimate and personal environment like a workplace, no I don’t think it would bother me particularly. It’s one of those things where if you KNOW then yes it could make you uneasy. But I’d feel the same if I knew someone she worked with snorted lines before work or robbed a bank ten years ago or looked at porn on his computer at work, etc.. Meaning lots of people do lots of things that would likely make you uneasy if they came to light. 

 

And the point remains... if every employer takes the same approach and no one opens the door, then Rueben Foster is then unable to obtain employment which then likely makes it difficult for him to ever rebound and contribute something positive to society. 

 

Not true. If he is cleared the of course he gets to work again, Also, if he pays whatever debt to society that is given to him then he gets that second chance. You are talking about two different things here.

 

But while he is accused and going through the courts, sorry he does not get the benefit of the doubt from me. If he is 100% cleared then I may make another decision. It would depend on a lot of things but it is not as cut and dry as right now. Some if he is found guilty but does his time and pays whatever debt to society is meted out by the law. You have to then re-evaluate. I am not saying I automatically hire them. But I don't automatically turn them away either.

 

So how is it different dating someone or working with someone? For me the threshold is the same. If they are accused of this type of violence, dating someone or working with them is really not much different. I am going to land on the side of caution until all the facts are in and he is either convicted or found not guilty.

 

[dcdiscokid]

2 hours ago, DJHJR86 said:

Wouldn't this potential employee have to be upfront with a potential employer knowing that this person may or may not miss time due to legal issues?

No not when they are potential...

[NickyJ]

Washington Post says Bruce Allen was behind it, according to an NFL official.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/27/redskins-claim-reuben-foster-who-was-arrested-saturday-domestic-violence-charge-off-waivers/?utm_term=.e2eec148b8b3

Quote

Team decision-makers were said to be divided over whether to claim Foster. Redskins President Bruce Allen masterminded the decision to claim him, an NFL official with knowledge of the Redskins' deliberations said, adding that the front office was far from unanimous about the idea.

If this doesn't make any of you doubt this being a good idea, I don't know what does.

[goskins10]

1 minute ago, kleese said:

I’ll also say this, a pro football team might be the best possible environment for someone to rehab themselves in this type of

situation.

 

1. You don’t work with the general public. 

 

2. Your work environment is very structured and very limited.

 

3. It is male dominated. 

 

4. You will likely be provided many resources to help in the form of counseling both professionally and from a mentor/friend level. 

 

So set aside your personal feeling on the issue and just ask yourself if you think Foster should ever be able to work again in any capacity. If the answer to that is yes, then I think a pro football team is just about the BEST possible situation. 

 

But you are assuming the current state of being accused and going through the courts is never going to change. Again, as I said above, if he is found not guilty then he gets a different look. It's not automatic that I hire him but its not automatic that I do not.

 

At some point he will either be found guilty or found not guilty. The response to the question you pose changes at that time.

[kleese]

2 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

Not true. If he is cleared the of course he gets to work again, Also, if he pays whatever debt to society that is given to him then he gets that second chance. You are talking about two different things here.

 

But while he is accused and going through the courts, sorry he does not get the benefit of the doubt from me. If he is 100% cleared then I may make another decision. It would depend on a lot of things but it is not as cut and dry as right now. Some if he is found guilty but does his time and pays whatever debt to society is meted out by the law. You have to then re-evaluate. I am not saying I automatically hire them. But I don't automatically turn them away either.

 

So how is it different dating someone or working with someone? For me the threshold is the same. If they are accused of this type of violence, dating someone or working with them is really not much different. I am going to land on the side of caution until all the facts are in and he is either convicted or found not guilty.

 

 

I think that is reasonable and I’m glad he won’t actually be representing the Redskins in any formal capacity until that process has played out. He can’t practice, he can’t be at games until we get farther down the road. Redskins essentially put in an early claim on his services should he be cleared. If he’s convincted/guilty then he will either be released or pay his debt to society/league before he ever sees the field for us. I’m OK with that. 

 

ST21 brandished a gun in anger over stolen property. He was a hair trigger away from mjrderinf someone. It was a VERY violent and dangerous reaction. But Gibbs kept him. Stuck with him. I think you could say the same thing.. do you want your family member working with a guy that is capable of flying off the handle like that? 

 

As a parent I want to protect

my kids against everything..

to the extreme. So no I wouldn’t be thrilled about them working at 7-11 with someone convincted of abuse... I also wouldn’t want them working with someone who was an addict or an alcoholic or someone who was a thief or a cheater. Reality is in life you deal with all kinds and we never really know, unless we know.