@DCGoldPants Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018   I wouldn't trust the Dems to trot these people out with their stories. It'll fall back on them. If it comes out, they should say that it's sad and refer questions to the FBI and Admin. That's it. Otherwise, it'll blow-up in their faces. No doubt.  It's like the Dave Chappelle skit on R. Kelly. All the items of proof still won't be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I want a complete investigation into all of it. We all should Let the chips fall where they may and hold everyone accountable for their actions (or inactions). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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@DCGoldPants Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: I want a complete investigation into all of it. We all should Let the chips fall where they may and hold everyone accountable for their actions (or inactions).  A lot of people agree. But until the people who could do something about it are in power (if that happens), it only helps protect him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: A lot of people agree. But until the people who could do something about it are in power (if that happens), it only helps protect him. The Dems are going to take over the House. That's enough to get it going. Plus I expect reporters to dive in deep. What I think we will see though is nothing done from an official Govt entity, because it's far better politically to complain and point fingers than it is to do something, but stories in multiple papers that will be ignored and gone in a couple of news cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: I want a complete investigation into all of it. Into what?   Whether he attempted to rape somebody 30 years ago? That will never be proven either way, and we all knew it from the start.   Whether he lied under oath about whether he was ever drunk?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Larry said: Into what?   Whether he attempted to rape somebody 30 years ago? That will never be proven either way, and we all knew it from the start.   Whether he lied under oath about whether he was ever drunk?  All of it. It cant be proven, but more evidence can be uncovered. And yes, if he lied under oath. And it he shoved his dick into Ramirez face, and if he drugged and gang raped girls at multiple parties. And if any of the allegations were known to be false and promoted anyway. And if any member of the Senate or their staff broke the law. etc etc etc.  All of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: The Dems are going to take over the House. That's enough to get it going. Plus I expect reporters to dive in deep. What I think we will see though is nothing done from an official Govt entity, because it's far better politically to complain and point fingers than it is to do something, but stories in multiple papers that will be ignored and gone in a couple of news cycles. My fear is that any investigation will be understood through such a political lens that no matter what they discover that it will be dismissed and seen as falsehood and motivated by revenge. I think that very likely because the right have launched so many false investigations (Benghazi, Whitewater, etc.) simply to rile the troops that they will think that's what the other side does too.  Yet, that has not been the left's style. The left did not investigate the very real questions into Iraq (whether used disproven intelligence in the march to war). They have not in the past actually sought out witch hunts as have Republicans, opting instead for peace. A peace that was never appreciated or reciprocated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If the Dems take the House and dont investigate, it will look like they arent interested in finding the truth, but rather just wanted the stain that a threat of investigation could cast on Kavanaugh. If both sides fear an investigation, then shame on us all for not doing one. And if neither side does, then it should be easy to finish without an appearance of impropriety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: If the Dems take the House and dont investigate, it will look like they arent interested in finding the truth, but rather just wanted the stain that a threat of investigation could cast on Kavanaugh. If both sides fear an investigation, then shame on us all for not doing one. And if neither side does, then it should be easy to finish without an appearance of impropriety. So, in other words, lose-lose.  They lose by by being accused of being political hacks if they don’t investigate and the same if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Burgold said: My fear is that any investigation will be understood through such a political lens that no matter what they discover that it will be dismissed and seen as falsehood and motivated by revenge. I think that very likely because the right have launched so many false investigations (Benghazi, Whitewater, etc.) simply to rile the troops that they will think that's what the other side does too. Yet, that has not been the left's style. The left did not investigate the very real questions into Iraq (whether used disproven intelligence in the march to war). They have not in the past actually sought out witch hunts as have Republicans, opting instead for peace. A peace that was never appreciated or reciprocated. They should set up an independent investigation, though it will obviously be attacked anyway, it will be better than if they do it themselves.  Edited October 9, 2018 by visionary 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, visionary said: They should set up an independent investigation with, though it will obviously be attacked anyway, it will be better than if they do it themselves. Right now there could be video of him drunk driving in 2018, running over somebody and fleeing the scene, and it would be called a hoax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, Burgold said: So, in other words, lose-lose.  They lose by by being accused of being political hacks if they don’t investigate and the same if they do. Yes. Having an investigation could hurt the Dems. Should that matter? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said: If the Dems take the House and dont investigate, it will look like they arent interested in finding the truth, but rather just wanted the stain that a threat of investigation could cast on Kavanaugh. Yea, I am certain that some will say that.   I'm also certain that if they do investigate, it will be labeled as a political witch hunt.   I'm also certain that there will be considerable overlap between the two groups.   ----  I'm also certain that "investigate all of it" is both impossible to achieve, and incredible overkill to even attempt.    Edited October 9, 2018 by Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Larry said: Yea, I am certain that some will say that.   I'm also certain that if they do investigate, it will be labeled as a political witch hunt.   I'm also certain that there will be considerable overlap between the two groups.   I think the odds are that an investigation will hurt the GOP and BK and not the Dems. I just think it's important to get all of the information out.  I really dont understand why anyone would NOT want it all out.  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Notorious online Assad propagandist goes to bat for Kavanaugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mistertim Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, visionary said: Notorious online Assad propagandist goes to bat for Kavanaugh.... No matter who she is, I ignore anyone who uses the word "irregardless". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, mistertim said: No matter who she is, I ignore anyone who uses the word "irregardless". If you are ever in Raleigh, the Irregardless Cafe is excellent. No lie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PokerPacker Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: It's like the Dave Chappelle skit on R. Kelly. All the items of proof still won't be enough. Huh. That sounds oddly accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: If the Dems take the House and dont investigate, it will look like they arent interested in finding the truth, but rather just wanted the stain that a threat of investigation could cast on Kavanaugh. If both sides fear an investigation, then shame on us all for not doing one. And if neither side does, then it should be easy to finish without an appearance of impropriety. Unfortunately, the American people have been labeled "mob rule"... We, supported by our fellow countrymen/women, have been written off. What the people want is no longer important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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