ixcuincle Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, BruceAllenIsFootballGenius said: I’m proud of Brett Kavanaugh for being brave and standing up against false accusations and not folding. President Trump is doing exactly what he promised a conversative Supreme Court for a generation and the strongest economy in US history. What a great day! First he praises Bruce now Kavanaugh ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Chief Justice John Roberts has been sitting on 'more than a dozen' judicial complaints against Kavanaugh for three weeks: report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Burgold said: Hooray! A perjurer is on the Supreme Court! What is your standard for perjury? To prove it I mean. Be specific. Question for the room even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Lying to Congress. Or does that only apply when "is" is involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, zoony said: What is your standard for perjury? To prove it I mean. Be specific. Question for the room even. My standard for perjury? Lying under oath about material matters. Kavanaugh on that basis is guilty of multiple counts of perjury. Whether it is about his drinking history, his drinking age, his "drinking" games, his never knowingly handing over sensitive papers to screw over Democrats, etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Just now, Burgold said: My standard for perjury? Lying under oath about material matters. Kavanaugh on that basis is guilty of multiple counts of perjury. Whether it is about his drinking history, his drinking age, his "drinking" games, his never knowingly handing over sensitive papers to screw over Democrats, etc. etc. etc. Oh I see then, he’s a confirmed liar funny people are talking about kids in this thread. My kids will grow up in an America where the burden of proof exists for all accusers. For that I am grateful I mean, as impressive as twitter trials are 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 hours ago, DogofWar1 said: Our system is broken and we need to change a lot by Amendment because it's only going to get worse. This is how America dies, at the hands of a flailing minority. our political system is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, zoony said: What is your standard for perjury? To prove it I mean. Be specific. Question for the room even. Oh, I don't know.... Saying you didn't watch your accusers testimony when there were reports that directly contradict that Saying you made it to Yale Law on your own merits and had no ties to the school when you clearly had legacy ties Saying the girl you were accused of forcing yourself on didn't travel in your circles when she was dating a friend of yours Saying you never were highly drunk when plenty of others who knew you said you were Saying you never threw up from drinking when you're part of the "Ralph Club" and then pretending you've always had a weak stomach no matter what Saying a Devils Triangle is a drinking game, then when asked for specifics saying it's a quarters game, then asking the person questioning you if they've ever played a quarters game when a quick google search can tell you otherwise Saying "boofing" is a term for flatulence when a quick google search can tell you otherwise When asked a yes/no question, dodging it and then reminding everyone that you worked hard, were the captain of the team and got into Yale In this particular situation (not a criminal case) I think these are all pretty specific examples that should count. Edited October 6, 2018 by Spaceman Spiff 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 You can trivialize it, but that's the legal definition. Hell, that's the definition the Republicans used to impeach a sitting President... except the question about Clinton's sexual relations was not material in any way to Whitewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, zoony said: Oh I see then, he’s a confirmed liar funny people are talking about kids in this thread. My kids will grow up in an America where the burden of proof exists for all accusers. For that I am grateful I mean, as impressive as twitter trials are Burden of proof does exist. It's just not beyond reasonable doubt unless you're a criminal defendant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, zoony said: Oh I see then, he’s a confirmed liar funny people are talking about kids in this thread. My kids will grow up in an America where the burden of proof exists for all accusers. For that I am grateful I mean, as impressive as twitter trials are As long as they're cool with a jug on one elbow and a gun on the other, right? It's an important position. It deserves more attention, and if the whole country got all worked up, TRY ANOTHER DUDE...not like y'all would even begin to think of a woman. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: Burden of proof does exist. It's just not beyond reasonable doubt unless you're a criminal defendant. We should demand more from our accusers namely, date, time, location might be good. Nobody is asking for a reasonable doubt. I think just reasonable. Now we are whining about how women accusers will never be believed?? Anyone been paying attention these last 13 months? #drama queens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) Edited October 6, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, zoony said: We should demand more from our accusers namely, date, time, location might be good. Nobody is asking for a reasonable doubt. I think just reasonable. Entirely separate issue from perjury. For what it's worth, Kavanaugh almost certainly perjured himself on the first go around too when talking about his time as a political operative and his mishandling of sensitive documents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, zoony said: We should demand more from our accusers namely, date, time, location might be good. Nobody is asking for a reasonable doubt. I think just reasonable. So how much to trigger more than a week long investigation where nine people are interviewed and large number of voluntary witnesses are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, zoony said: Oh I see then, he’s a confirmed liar funny people are talking about kids in this thread. My kids will grow up in an America where the burden of proof exists for all accusers. For that I am grateful I mean, as impressive as twitter trials are I'm inclined to agree with you here, there does need to be a burden of proof for an accuser. Yes, the court of public opinion is too powerful and too quick to judge and make up their minds. Guilt in the court of public opinion is already made up the second a story breaks and "innocent until proven guilty" has been thrown out the window a long, long time ago, especially in the #metoo era. But as pointed out before, this wasn't a criminal case. Kavanaugh still lied about things other than the alleged (oh my God, I said alleged, I am evil for not taking Ford's word for it ?) WHILE UNDER OATH that make him someone that committed perjury. The fact that the FBI didn't interview his former Yale classmates who had made strong statements to the press about the Kavanaugh they knew compared to how Kavanaugh portrayed himself is an absolute farce. That's the only evidence anyone has after all of this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) Edited October 6, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, BruceAllenIsFootballGenius said: I’m proud of Brett Kavanaugh for being brave and standing up against false accusations and not folding. President Trump is doing exactly what he promised a conversative Supreme Court for a generation and the strongest economy in US history. What a great day! Somebody ate the onion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Springfield said: Somebody ate the onion In fairness, the poster does unironically believe that Bruce Allen is a football genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkinsHokieFan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, zoony said: Oh I see then, he’s a confirmed liar funny people are talking about kids in this thread. My kids will grow up in an America where the burden of proof exists for all accusers. For that I am grateful I mean, as impressive as twitter trials are For trials, yes job interviews? No so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 I really wish we could put mods on ignore 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 It ****ing sucks that they gotta call him "honorable". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, zoony said: We should demand more from our accusers We should demand more from our Supreme Court Justices. Namely that they are impartial and unbiased at least. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said: It ****ing sucks that they gotta call him "honorable". I'm going to do my best to say it with a really bad British accent Look mate, 'ere comes, the 'orrible Bart O'Kavaboof. Cheers to im... the most orrible of 'em all! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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