The Politics Sexual Assault Thread

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[Fresh8686]

17 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Thats true. Appreciate the help with perspective. 

 

This is a whole other conversation, but I do wonder if there is anything that we can do about it. It seems almost human to abuse power at this point. 

There is not enough understanding of "power" as an emotion in human beings... most people are too busy chasing it, to demystify and depedestalize power in order to understand it. If they did, they would understand it as an unhealthy, emotional response that is located on the extreme spectrum of Capability

Personally, I don't indulge in "I'm powerful" feelings when I achieve something nor do I attach and internalize it to my identity or my appetites, to such a point where I feel I need to exercise my "power" in order to validate my view of myself or create stimulation. Instead, I calm down my feelings to bring them away from extremes back to normal and I replace the language I use, assumptions I make, and expectations I have around power to the balanced and grounded view of capability.

When you see it in that light, the feeling of power becomes a stupid, immature, quasi-masturbatory fixation, inherently out of balance that must be calibrated rather then indulged in.

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He went from, can we really believe these white women to Conyers has to go, in record time

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NEWS - Rep. Jim Clyburn, highest-ranking African-American Democrat in Congress, calls for John Conyers to resign

 

[Mr. Sinister]

38 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Thats true. Appreciate the help with perspective. 

 

This is a whole other conversation, but I do wonder if there is anything that we can do about it. It seems almost human to abuse power at this point. 

 

It always has been. It is a fundamental problem with us, at every level and institution in society. Whatever happens though, we will look back and say that this was the beginning.

10 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

There is not enough understanding of "power" as an emotion in human beings... most people are too busy chasing it, to demystify and depedestalize power in order to understand it. If they did, they would understand it as an unhealthy, emotional response that is located on the extreme spectrum of Capability

Personally, I don't indulge in "I'm powerful" feelings when I achieve something nor do I attach and internalize it to my identity or my appetites, to such a point where I feel I need to exercise my "power" in order to validate my view of myself or create stimulation. Instead, I calm down my feelings to bring them away from extremes back to normal and I replace the language I use, assumptions I make, and expectations I have around power to the balanced and grounded view of capability.

When you see it in that light, the feeling of power becomes a stupid, immature, quasi-masturbatory fixation, inherently out of balance that must be calibrated rather then indulged in.

 

Thats a healthy way to live

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[Llevron]

I do find it interesting that they all think Conyors should resign immediately but he has done exactly what the President has. There is no more evidence on him than there is on Trump. 

[twa]

4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

I do find it interesting that they all think Conyors should resign immediately but he has done exactly what the President has. There is no more evidence on him than there is on Trump. 

 

I'm sure they think Trump should resign as well. 

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[Llevron]

12 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

There is not enough understanding of "power" as an emotion in human beings... most people are too busy chasing it, to demystify and depedestalize power in order to understand it. If they did, they would understand it as an unhealthy, emotional response that is located on the extreme spectrum of Capability

Personally, I don't indulge in "I'm powerful" feelings when I achieve something nor do I attach and internalize it to my identity or my appetites, to such a point where I feel I need to exercise my "power" in order to validate my view of myself or create stimulation. Instead, I calm down my feelings to bring them away from extremes back to normal and I replace the language I use, assumptions I make, and expectations I have around power to the balanced and grounded view of capability.

When you see it in that light, the feeling of power becomes a stupid, immature, quasi-masturbatory fixation, inherently out of balance that must be calibrated rather then indulged in.

 

Thats actually a very interesting point you make. Its probably true that not enough people actually have power for there to be any kind of understanding of it. Thats practically the point. You dont want people to be able to tell you anything so you attain a level that they themselves cannot. 

 

I, personally, get my 'Im powerful' jollies out through video games. I know thats a weird connection, but I wonder if thats why I like them so much. I typically only play games that give me a feeling of overwhelming superiority. Very interesting. I do wonder how much my personality would be effected, if at all, If I ever obtained true power. 

 

3 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

It always has been. It is a fundamental problem with us, at every level and institution in society. Whatever happens though, we will look back and say that this was the beginning.

 

Yea. I do believe we have constructed society the wrong way for us to actually endure and survive longer than this planet. In the end it may be our lust for power that does us in. I always stop at thinking currency or the exchange of money is the biggest thing holding us back nationally and globally. But then thats just another application of power over someone else, isnt it? 

 

Also would you be injustice Batman or Superman?? My friends always tell me I would be superman. And I think they might be right. 

 

 

 

Also I know this is a tangent so sorry. 

[Mr. Sinister]

8 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Thats actually a very interesting point you make. Its probably true that not enough people actually have power for there to be any kind of understanding of it. Thats practically the point. You dont want people to be able to tell you anything so you attain a level that they themselves cannot. 

 

I, personally, get my 'Im powerful' jollies out through video games. I know thats a weird connection, but I wonder if thats why I like them so much. I typically only play games that give me a feeling of overwhelming superiority. Very interesting. I do wonder how much my personality would be effected, if at all, If I ever obtained true power. 

 

 

Yea. I do believe we have constructed society the wrong way for us to actually endure and survive longer than this planet. In the end it may be our lust for power that does us in. I always stop at thinking currency or the exchange of money is the biggest thing holding us back nationally and globally. But then thats just another application of power over someone else, isnt it? 

 

I dunno. Ive constantly thought about our (the United States) future, in the context of every powerful nation or empire, and how it fell, or was reduced). Like the issue of race/equality, I'm not sure how you go about changing something that's been so interwoven into society for so long.

 

The logical answer would be that you start young, raising your children to properly understand the concept of right and wrong, and character/honesty, but things like power, money, sex, etc are their own entity, and can change some people even with those foundations.

 

I think the best thing you can do is what's already being done. Just speak up. Citizens have so many platforms to make their voices heard, and even if the suits don't respond at first, the people (the most important factor in all of this) will

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[Bozo the kKklown]

3 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

this country is Sodom and Gomorrah 

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[Llevron]

It is definitely time for him to step down. But being honest, I wouldn't mind seeing him pull an 'I'll step down when the POTUS is help to the same standards and scrutiny'. Just to turn this thing on his head. And I wouldn't be above using the race card. 

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Edited November 30, 2017 by visionary

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[clskinsfan]

5 hours ago, Llevron said:

It is definitely time for him to step down. But being honest, I wouldn't mind seeing him pull an 'I'll step down when the POTUS is help to the same standards and scrutiny'. Just to turn this thing on his head. And I wouldn't be above using the race card. 

 

Hold on a minute. You have a man that has been a member of Congress since Lyndon Johnson was President .And has been using OUR MONEY to pay for his deviance. On the other side you have an idiot who has been in politics for one year. They are both trash. Unfortunately only one of them has been milking the American people for 40 years. We are way beyond "same standards" here.  

[Llevron]

21 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 

Hold on a minute. You have a man that has been a member of Congress since Lyndon Johnson was President .And has been using OUR MONEY to pay for his deviance. On the other side you have an idiot who has been in politics for one year. They are both trash. Unfortunately only one of them has been milking the American people for 40 years. We are way beyond "same standards" here.  

 

I clearly see the differences between the two men. One has served his country loyally for years, albeit through his own share of mistakes and bad choices. His time is over. The other did everything he could to avoid the responsibility his country called on him to do and all the while was a horrible, terrible example of the human condition. Then he was elected as president while he drove a wedge between the plante on every racial, ethical or otherwise line he can wiggle his orange little Twitter finger between. His time just started! 

 

I don't at all think thier situations are the same. But I think both shouldn't hold the positions they do and I'm not above asking a man that has already shamed himself, his family, and his country to bend over and take it one last time for the grater good and get Donald Trump the **** outta here. 

 

I mean, sure, best case he starts the conversation on why it's ok for Trump to be a horrible person and no one else. But that's better in my mind than just stepping down. 

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Just now, Llevron said:

 

 

I mean, sure, best case he starts the conversation on why it's ok for Trump to be a horrible person and no one else. But that's better in my mind than just stepping down. 

 

And Trump will say why are you now so concerned with me and this abuse of power when you have been supporting these guys actions for years or decades.....and I will withdraw when they are all gone.

 

While taking credit for draining the swamp. 

 

Of course he would probably be lying about the withdrawing  

[Hersh]

1 hour ago, clskinsfan said:

 

Hold on a minute. You have a man that has been a member of Congress since Lyndon Johnson was President .And has been using OUR MONEY to pay for his deviance. On the other side you have an idiot who has been in politics for one year. They are both trash. Unfortunately only one of them has been milking the American people for 40 years. We are way beyond "same standards" here.  

 

Are you suggesting that Conyers has been milking the American people for 40 years and that Trump hasn’t? Just looking for clarity. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

4 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

Are you suggesting that Conyers has been milking the American people for 40 years and that Trump hasn’t? Just looking for clarity. 

 

Not sticking up for Trump when I say this, but it's different when it's a "public servant."

 

At some point in the past...dunno, 20-30 years, politicians have forgotten that they serve us and not the other way around.  Conyers and others, using TAXPAYER DOLLARS to...shuffle their mistresses around, pay off accusers of sexual harassment and assault is a prime example.  

 

Straight up, I don't want to pay more than I have to when it comes to taxes and I applaud anyone who use legal means to pay as little as possible.  If our government was lean and not wasteful, I wouldn't mind.  But **** em.  Learning that they did that with our money is insulting.  I'm not even surprised, really.  Part of me would love to know in what other ways they spend taxpayer money for their personal benefit.  You think it stops here?  You think they only spent money on just this?

 

Trump certainly has a shady background but as a business owner, if you didn't like him, you didn't have to support him.  Don't watch his show, buy his books, stay in his hotels, visit his casinos and country clubs etc.  You've got control of your dollar.

 

But we all have to pay taxes.  And there's no way to prove if it was my dollar or someone else's dollar that funded Conyers and others actions but it doesn't matter.  

 

What they did screams volumes about how they feel about the American public.   Look at their actions, don't listen to their words.

[Hersh]

4 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Not sticking up for Trump when I say this, but it's different when it's a "public servant."

 

At some point in the past...dunno, 20-30 years, politicians have forgotten that they serve us and not the other way around.  Conyers and others, using TAXPAYER DOLLARS to...shuffle their mistresses around, pay off accusers of sexual harassment and assault is a prime example.  

 

Straight up, I don't want to pay more than I have to when it comes to taxes and I applaud anyone who use legal means to pay as little as possible.  If our government was lean and not wasteful, I wouldn't mind.  But **** em.  Learning that they did that with our money is insulting.  I'm not even surprised, really.  Part of me would love to know in what other ways they spend taxpayer money for their personal benefit.  You think it stops here?  You think they only spent money on just this?

 

Trump certainly has a shady background but as a business owner, if you didn't like him, you didn't have to support him.  Don't watch his show, buy his books, stay in his hotels, visit his casinos and country clubs etc.  You've got control of your dollar.

 

But we all have to pay taxes.  And there's no way to prove if it was my dollar or someone else's dollar that funded Conyers and others actions but it doesn't matter.  

 

What they did screams volumes about how they feel about the American public.   Look at their actions, don't listen to their words.

 

Conyers and every politician that used public funds to pay people off should all be gone. That was not my point at all. Even if you limit it to public servant, Trump can and has wasted far more tax payer money than any of the Congressmen combined. It's part the nature of being POTUS, but also he has excessively wasted money on staff and travel to his golf courses far beyond another the last POTUS did. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Just now, Hersh said:

 

Conyers and every politician that used public funds to pay people off should all be gone. That was not my point at all. Even if you limit it to public servant, Trump can and has wasted far more tax payer money than any of the Congressmen combined. It's part the nature of being POTUS, but also he has excessively wasted money on staff and travel to his golf courses far beyond another the last POTUS did. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, I get you and most people here have a boner for hating Trump.  It's understandable.

 

You raised a question in response to an initial post on Conyers vs. Trump and who's been milking the American public for 40 years.  Trump, I'm assuming, probably got a lot of grants and gov't assistance to build stuff over the years though.