TheGreatBuzz Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Or that they knew they needed an insanely high standard of proof for a President. Not like he is just an average black dude. Edited March 25, 2019 by TheGreatBuzz Spelling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Also SQUEEEEEEEEE GARRY KASPAROV NOTICED ME But for real though, this is an important thread about the problem of just saying "Russian Government." Russian government can be construed very narrowly. It can also be construed very broadly. How narrowly did Mueller define it? How narrowly did Barr? What about entities that are outside of the Russian government, like wikileaks? Is conspiracy with wikileaks any better than with the Russian government? These are important questions Barr's letter does not answer, and his very lawyeresque language is a red flag. I have read and written many things to reach a certain conclusion that the facts don't necessarily follow. That's what lawyers do. This letter reads like that. Edited March 25, 2019 by DogofWar1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Springfield said: It is of note, that according to Cohen, Trump would never specifically talk or ask anyone to talk to the Russians. People would simply do it for him because that’s what needed to be done. So given that revaluation, is it really a surprise that Muller didn’t uncover a conspiracy? Oh, I've always assumed that that's the way corrupt organizations do things. Whether it's a politician taking illegal cash or an NCAA football team paying a player or a corporation dumping chemicals in the creek. There's a disposable subordinate who's portfolio is "I don't want to know about it". It's been obvious for years that Trump uses his family for that. (And no doubt several other people, like Cohen.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I think this is a good thing, hopefully it won't be too long, but when this report does come out...I think it will be a sucker punch to America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 So Barr, took thousands of pages and in less than two days broke it down to a four page summary. In that summary, he said that Mueller said that Trump didn't do it...but may have done it. Why, gee! Thanks, Barr. How about you stop killing your legacy for Trump and let the report speak for itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Edited March 25, 2019 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, DogofWar1 said: Mueller punted to AG (specifically why is not fully said). AG is a Trump thrall. AG let Trump go. Just pointing out - At least according to the one page I've seen posted here, Mueller punted, but did not specify who to. Barr ran forward and appointed himself, and signaled fair catch. Bear in mind, the whole justification for DOJ's policy of leaving POTUS alone is "that's Congress' decision". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) So in 2020 Bernie Sanders can hold a press conference and request the UK hack Trumps private emails to find out what dirt he might be hiding. Then later that day, the UK does it. Later, a close advisor of Bernie’s and an associate of his campaign can coordinate the leaks of these emails to counter negative news on Bernie throughout the campaign. And everybody on the right would be ok with this? Because that’s the message we are sending here. It’s open season on our presidential elections now. Edited March 25, 2019 by Momma There Goes That Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 It would not surprise me if we were to find, potentially soon, that Trump campaign officials conspired/coordinated with wikileaks or another non-governmental organization (with close ties to the Kremlin) The letter seems tailor-written to shy away from that, despite it being probably the most obvious follow-up question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: So in 2020 Bernie Sanders can hold a press conference and request the UK hack Trumps private emails to find out what dirt he might be hiding. Then later that day, the UK does it. Later, a close advisor of Bernie’s and an associate of his campaign can coordinate the leaks of these emails to counter negative news on Bernie throughout the campaign. And everybody on the right would be ok with this? Because that’s the message we are sending here. It’s open season on our presidential elections now. Don't forget about Bernie's son setting up a meeting thinking the UK government will give him dirt on his father's opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DogofWar1 said: I have read and written many things to reach a certain conclusion that the facts don't necessarily follow. That's what lawyers do. This letter reads like that. Are you still doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, twa said: Are you still doing that? Absolutely, that's part of zealously representing a client. The question we must ask tonight is, who is Barr's client? The USA and its people, or Donald Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, DogofWar1 said: Absolutely, that's part of zealously representing a client. The question we must ask tonight is, who is Barr's client? The USA and its people, or Donald Trump? That is a good question, of course it can be both w/o conflict. I meant in this thread btw, old habits die hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I just want to say that nothing that's happened today or this weekend has moved the needle at all on who will and won't for Trump. Not a single vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Hersh said: I just want to say that nothing that's happened today or this weekend has moved the needle at all on who will and won't for Trump. Not a single vote. I think the finding of no collusion(if verified) certainly will impact some votes...certainly not many regulars here though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Has the President Been Exonerated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Deleted. Edited March 25, 2019 by Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Larry said: Could you please quote the "finding of no collusion" part of the report? Not a Republican shill claiming that it's in there, somewhere. The report's finding. exhibit A I guess ya just missed the "if verified" in my post? I do admit I have a higher opinion of Barr than many of you though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, twa said: I do admit I have a higher opinion of Barr than many of you though. Cuz you're a big fan of stooges? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, clietas said: Cuz you're a big fan of stooges? I do spend a inordinate amount of time here. ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Edited March 25, 2019 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Is Cambridge Analytica "Russian Government?" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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