Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

[No Excuses]

I suspect we will see him more unhinged than ever from this point on.

 

The history books for this era will be such a ****ing bizarre read for future generations. We're living through this so I don't think it dawns on us how absurd all of this is.

 

A pornstar named Stormy Daniels is going to be enshrined in American political history. 

[Llevron]

They won't talk about this in history classes lol

[LadySkinsFan]

6 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Trump fired Preet because the SDNY was investing him.  Looks like Trump will be firing more people.

 

If Trump fires people so that the Republic is rendered inoperable, I would say that's treason, breaking his oath of office (which he does every day anyway), and grounds for impeachment. 

 

However, maybe the people he's appointing take their oaths seriously and not loyalty to him or party.

[LadySkinsFan]

2 hours ago, tshile said:

Because as correct as you are, our bull**** media can’t make 24/7 programming out of “we have to wait and see when the investigation is complete”

 

as as bad as everything is on the one side, don’t ever forget how bad it is on the other. CNN et al are complicit in the dumbing down, over hyping, bull**** that is modern day news and politics in America. 

 

They helped create the mess we’re in. Don’t let them off by forgetting it. 

 

(People who are honest and not dumb have been saying from the start we have to wait until this is complete to form an opinion, and that going off leaks via tweets is real dumb. Look at who does that stuff, stay away)

 

Plus there are NO leaks out of the Mueller team.

 

I saw an article detailing what Mueller could learn from the Ken Starr investigation of Bill Clinton and the number one lesson was no leaks. Apparently, Starr's team leaked like a sieve.

 

That's why we don't know what Mueller is doing until the end result happens. As it should. We're just not used to this.

[tshile]

46 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

The history books for this era will be such a ****ing bizarre read for future generations. We're living through this so I don't think it dawns on us how absurd all of this is.

 

I remember when I was young I elementary and middle school and we were sometimes tasked with “interview a family member or family friend about <event of historical importance> That occurred while they were an adult “

 

we would go through what was going on around them, where they were, and eventually what resulted as time passed from this incident. 

 

Jfk or Mlk assassinations. Ending of the Vietnam war. Different NASA events. Tearing down the wall. Etc. 

 

ive spent time over the last few years anticipating my children asking me about 9/11. I was awfully young for the ok city bombing, but imagine there will be other terrorist attacks or school shootings too. 

 

Ive recently started thinking that there will be various “trump administration” things added to the list. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by tshile

[SoulSkin]

Attorney–client privilege is dead! Nah

A total witch hunt! Nah

 

[tshile]

I want to point out that people  will being punished is not really a refutation of a witch hunt

 

we found guilt and burned witches as punishment...

8 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

 

Plus there are NO leaks out of the Mueller team.

 

I saw an article detailing what Mueller could learn from the Ken Starr investigation of Bill Clinton and the number one lesson was no leaks. Apparently, Starr's team leaked like a sieve.

 

That's why we don't know what Mueller is doing until the end result happens. As it should. We're just not used to this.

 

Right, but there’s no shortage of people telling us what’s going on inside of mueller’s team  

 

all anonymous sources, of course. 

 

And theres tons of people, even here, that are quite sure they know what’s going on. 

 

On in the grand scheme of “get the idiot out of office” I’m on the same side as you and others. But... the number of people who can’t help but jump to conclusions and yell about what is and isn’t going on is comical and depressing at the same time. 

 

At least it seems we have the right person in charge of the investigation. I’ve been impressed, even if the amount of time is somewhat unnerving. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by tshile

[Bozo the kKklown]

 

 

 

This stuff pisses me off. Haberman and others of her ilk has her access, and yet they do not question him on fact based terms. They instead feed into his derangement.

 

The reporters around the White House just aren't doing a good enough job.

[No Excuses]

7 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

This stuff pisses me off. Haberman and others of her ilk has her access, and yet they do not question him on fact based terms. They instead feed into his derangement.

 

The reporters around the White House just aren't doing a good enough job.

 

Maggie Haberman is particularly infuriating at her complete inability to admit or acknowledge **** ups at the NYT.

 

In general NYT has a lot of explaining to do for this utter and complete piece of nonsense they published a week before the election:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

 

This entire article has been proven to be a steaming pile of garbage at this point, but it came at such a consequential time and I don't think anyone at the newspaper has bothered explaining why they published this.

Edited April 10, 2018 by No Excuses

[Bozo the kKklown]

4 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

Maggie Haberman is particularly infuriating at her complete inability to admit or acknowledge **** ups at the NYT.

 

In general NYT has a lot of explaining to do for this utter and complete piece of nonsense they published a week before the election:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

 

This entire article has been proven to be a steaming pile of garbage at this point, but it came at such a consequential time and I don't think anyone at the newspaper has bothered explaining why they published this.

Yeah, the New York Times has lost a lot of public trust the last 18 months.

 

They really fed into it.

[Bozo the kKklown]

 

the second verse is Trump's and his peoples current predicament, to a T. (Explicit lyrics)

[Bozo the kKklown]

10 hours ago, visionary said:

 

 

 

 

Are we we sure the SDNY is trustworthy now though?  I mean could this be some way to hinder the investigation from the inside?

 

On the other hand Trump and his people’s behavior make it seem they were caught off guard.   

If they were, I don't think Trump would have reacted the way he did.

 

Giuliani been quiet too.

[LadySkinsFan]

I think Giuliani really does have dementia or similar. He's been quiet for a long time or at least someone has reined him in. Plus his wife filed for divorce. He has his own problems.

[TheGoodBits]

Recall Trump’s twitter meltdown a couple weeks ago about the investigation? Nothing apparent prompted it so it was assumed something was happening behind the scenes. The current SDNY US Attorney is a Sessions appointee, Trump supporting Guiliani guy who hasn’t been confirmed by the Senate. The raid had to go through him, and I wonder if he gave Trump/Cohen a heads up that it was in the works a couple weeks ago (spurring the aforementioned twitter meltdown). 

 

Also makes me REALLY curious about the Trump Tower fire and who occupied the condos/apts that were destroyed. Very well could have been random but we know a bunch of nefarious dudes like owning/leasing space there, the floor where the fire was didn’t have working smoke detectors (wtf?), and the fire occurs days before the FBI raid on Cohen. 

[Llevron]

38 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Also makes me REALLY curious about the Trump Tower fire and who occupied the condos/apts that were destroyed. Very well could have been random but we know a bunch of nefarious dudes like owning/leasing space there, the floor where the fire was didn’t have working smoke detectors (wtf?), and the fire occurs days before the FBI raid on Cohen. 

 

I was thinking the same thing tbh

[DogofWar1]

While very true, tshile, worth noting that so far we've had pleas across the board.

 

Manafort, who was charged first, has his trial still pending.  If the others sought trials, its likely all of theirs would still be pending too.

 

Now, I'll mention that I am no stranger to prosecutors throwing their weight around a bit, a little "plea to this or we bring that" kinda stuff.  But generally speaking, prosecutors aren't going to bring weak charges and threaten stronger ones, they tend to bring the charges that are easy to win on and threaten the ones that require a bit more legwork.

 

Further, it's not just one, but a number of people have plead.  It's very unlikely that they could pull off a bunch of people pleading to things that didn't happen.

 

I know you know all this, so mainly saying it for the contrarians who will continue arguing full throttle that its a witch hunt.

 

Something else:

Seth doesn't have any deeper insight into this investigation, that is, he doesn't have a bunch of sources sitting around, but he's decent on after-the-fact analysis.  He raises a good point here.  If Trump didn't know of something, then it can't be protected by atty client privilege.  If he did, then it would be, sure (but can still be pierced by exceptions).

 

So unless Trump takes the position that the tweet has nothing to do with Stormy, legally he is admitting to some knowledge of the Cohen deal, because that's the only way he can be a "client."

[Llevron]

Question. If the information seized is covered by attorney client privilege, then what are the loop holes that allow for this to be legal. I just want to know for fact that the special counsel is still above reproach legally. Even IF they are using practices that I would squint at if it happened to a less than deserving bunch of ass hats. 

[LadySkinsFan]

Attorney -Client privilege can be pierced when both attorney and client are involved in a criminal conspiracy, if I remember correctly.

[Bozo the kKklown]

14 minutes ago, Llevron said:

Question. If the information seized is covered by attorney client privilege, then what are the loop holes that allow for this to be legal. I just want to know for fact that the special counsel is still above reproach legally. Even IF they are using practices that I would squint at if it happened to a less than deserving bunch of ass hats. 

your answer:

14 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Attorney -Client privilege can be pierced when both attorney and client are involved in a criminal conspiracy, if I remember correctly.

 

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

 

[Dan T.]

Hey Donald. Print this on your ballcaps:

 

MAGA - Mueller Ain't Going Away

[Springfield]

Came in just to post that I heard a great term for the anti-Hillary, Trump supporters.

 

That term?

 

BUTTERY MALES

[mcsluggo]

17 hours ago, Larry said:

I also have been wondering since this whole thing started, if maybe what's going to get Trump will be his taxes.  

 

All of these investigations mean that the investigators have to spend a lot of time going over the books of the entire Trump pyramid.  In great detail.  And if TrumpCo hasn't been massively cheating on his taxes, habitually and for decades, then I have hugely misjudged him.  

 

Honestly,..... i have always just assumed to the point of taking it for granted that the cash infusions that have miraculously entered into Trump's operations after multiple multiple bankruptcies have to be corrupt.   

 

which leads to the high chance that he has been involved in laundering cash infusions  ...  if he also doesn;t pay the taxes on the laundered funds (almost the POINT of laundering is getting to the point that you can pay taxes on funds and have that official seal of approval) then ..well...it is just the same old Trump ****-show we have come to expect in all aspects of his overall ****tiness.

[DogofWar1]

An interesting tidbit.

 

 

So, uh...

 

THE BEST PEOPLE.

[Bozo the kKklown]