Burgold Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Is it me or is there a little self-pitying or defeatism leaking from Redskins Park. I'm reading so many quotes about not having enough time to practice or heal up. What happened to next man up or never say die? I might be over reading this, but it makes sense given the lack of fire we saw against the Panthers. They are making excuses in advance for poor performance. Are we really that much more injured than every NFL team at this point in the year? It doesn't really feel like that. Seemed we had a far worse injury and IR list last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Clinton Portis said that this team needs more guys that love football. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 We have been a laughingstock for the better part of 20 years, now we have been playoff contenders 2 years in a row. We are on the right track and really the only difference between this team and 2014 is the play of the QB, Crowder, and much better pass protection. So I'm not that upset even after that embarrassment. But the thing nobody wants to discuss is the fact that after 14 games they have gotten next to nothing out of the entire 2016 draft class. Don't read this to mean I have given up on first year players or our GM. But if you are looking for reasons for this late season drop off we can look here. How many other teams have gotten next to nothing out of their entire rookie class this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 20 minutes ago, Burgold said: Is it me or is there a little self-pitying or defeatism leaking from Redskins Park. I'm reading so many quotes about not having enough time to practice or heal up. What happened to next man up or never say die? I might be over reading this, but it makes sense given the lack of fire we saw against the Panthers. They had an extra day to prepare for the Panthers so if they are using that as an excuse, it's a very poor one. I'm not sure what caused the lack of fire on Monday night but it was seriously disturbing because it reached damn near everyone that played a snap. Sadly, the offense in particular, appeared to have an aww shucks attitude about their failures. Years ago, this wouldn't have shocked me at all, in fact - I expected it. But I was actually shocked by how flat this team was given the circumstances . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Yeah, the Panthers game was especially annoying because we finally got breaks from the ref. Cam gets called on a being hit after a slide? Another PF pushes them back out of field goal range? We've seen that game in reverse when things keep going wrong and you gift wrap a win to a team you dominated. The Redskins failed to accept so many Christmas gifts last week!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 12/20/2016 at 8:33 AM, PortisBetts said: We need to invest across the board on defense and not in 1 player. Cousins needs to get his head out of his ass. Not sure what happened to him since GB, but he has not played well. I still want Cousins to be here. He played exceptionally well in Dallas. I actually have a theory that the team put the entire season on a win in Dallas. And the offense played just about as well as they could, and the defense just couldn't hang, and everybody just realized the situation. And that basically crushed their hopes for the remainder of the season. They have seemed completely unmotivated since Dallas. On 12/20/2016 at 8:37 AM, Gregpeck99 said: The elephant in the room now becomes the QB. Do the Skins "buy" KC and attempt to build around him? Or veer in a dramatically new direction. The next two games will be instructive. I disagree about the next 2 games being instructive. The decision is made, whatever that decision is. Kirk has enough on tape now that GMSM and the other brain trust guys have all the information they need. I actually think they franchise him again, not because they don't want to give him a long term deal, but they want to see if Gruden can do better than ~9-7. If he can't, then they look at potentially a new HC in 2018, and maybe they don't think Kirk is the guy for the new coach. On 12/20/2016 at 9:08 AM, BatteredFanSyndrome said: The offense down the stretch has been very predictable, particularly when trying to run the ball. It's very hard to establish the run when your personnel and formation tells the whole story. The offense tends to do what their tendencies tell everyone they are going to do. It's very true. For most of the season, when you saw Grant in the game, it was a run. The mid-2000's Colts were absolutely masters of doing everything from a base personnel set. They simplified everything, kept the same guys on the field, and you could never tell what they were going to do based on personnel or formation. Granted, they had Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Edgerin James. So they had serious talent. But you never knew exactly what was coming because they kept essentially the same guys on the field all the time, and Manning would just look at the defense, and be like, "yeah, I've got an advantage HERE" Then run around like a chicken with his head cut off for a while, the defense would move, he'd do it again, do some jumping jacks, and then good things would happen more often than not. We actually have personnel that we COULD do some of that. Not to the same extent, because Fat Rob isn't James, and DJax/Garcon are not Harrison/Wayne. But they're close. And Reed is better than Clark. And Cousins is ABSOLUTELY not Peyton Goddamn Manning. But we get so caught up in matchups and "plays" and personnel groups, and blah blah blah, that we tip our hand and have very specific tendencies. 21 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I'm not going to argue that the team all around needs to be better. I just think of late they seem to be very predictable when it comes to running the ball particularly and its been setting up less than favorable 2nd and 3rd down scenarios. It would help if our TEs were not soft little dainty daisies in the run game. 20 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: They tried it on first down several times in obvious sets where Carolina was two steps ahead of us and put us in 2nd and 9 or more scenarios so they bailed from it. Every time they try and run outside, a TE allows the outside guy to force the play inside, and cuts off both the outside edge AND the cutback lane. It's attrocious. RB is not our problem, TE is the problem in the running game. Simple solution: DON'T FREAKING RUN OUTSIDE. Double guys inside, and pound the ball between the tackles. I guess the problem there is that our interior OL isn't great. Ok, new solution: screw the running game, we can't do it, use short passes. Wait? That's what we do? Ok, good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: RB is not our problem, TE is the problem in the running game. Simple solution: DON'T FREAKING RUN OUTSIDE. As it pertains to the final 120 minutes of the regular season, I wouldn't run much at all. We have a two-game sprint to give us a shot to make the playoffs and I would put that predominantly on Cousins. Gruden and McVay should collaborate with him, build a gameplan that he endorses, and see how this offense runs 100% through him. Run some no-huddle, be aggressive through the air, spread out the defense, etc. The only running plays (except for very unique situations) should probably be out of shotgun. What do we have to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbird2 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 12/20/2016 at 8:24 AM, Ashburn Dave said: This off season Scot has got to focus on the defense especially the line. Thought we were going to beat teams up but that's just a wet dream right now. Coaching on both sides is flawed but better line play can mask that so I'm not ready to call for any coaching changes. No more WR's in the first round either. Stick to the plan and get big ugly's. There, fixed that first sentence for you.... We need DL, Safety, and ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 36 minutes ago, jbird said: There, fixed that first sentence for you.... We need DL, Safety, and ILB. Yes, we need to build our defense up the middle...just like any baseball team would try to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Our pass pro seems to have failed us in recent weeks.... Maybe it's teams using more effective or frequent blitzing. As the passing game goes, so does our team. Fo Fizzle.... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Our pass pro seems to have failed us in recent weeks.... Maybe it's teams using more effective or frequent blitzing. As the passing game goes, so does our team. Fo Fizzle.... sigh. I would be disappointed to find out that it's due to more frequent blitzing. As an offense, I think we should be getting very close to the point where we WANT teams to blitz so we can hit big plays. We have enough play-makers in the game where hitting someone like Thompson, Crowder, or Jackson quickly on a blitz could become a 60-yard TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TouchdownSkin Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: He played exceptionally well in Dallas. I actually have a theory that the team put the entire season on a win in Dallas. And the offense played just about as well as they could, and the defense just couldn't hang, and everybody just realized the situation. And that basically crushed their hopes for the remainder of the season. They have seemed completely unmotivated since Dallas. Seriously! I imagine they were motivated enough to cash their checks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 4 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: As it pertains to the final 120 minutes of the regular season, I wouldn't run much at all. We have a two-game sprint to give us a shot to make the playoffs and I would put that predominantly on Cousins. Gruden and McVay should collaborate with him, build a gameplan that he endorses, and see how this offense runs 100% through him. Run some no-huddle, be aggressive through the air, spread out the defense, etc. The only running plays (except for very unique situations) should probably be out of shotgun. What do we have to lose? I think it's important to run the ball somewhat, just to keep the defense honest. But in concept, I agree with you. They need to substitute the run with a short pass. But for some reason, the quick game has been pretty covered up recently. It's as though defenses know when we're going to short-pass, and then cover tight. Also, I have no idea why Crowder has essentially disappeared from the game plan, especially with Reed out. If it were me, I'd feed crowder 10-12 balls a game, because he can get open quickly on that short stuff in the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 we can still make the playoffs...and can still do some damage in the playoffs....and it will be our second straight year to make a playoff...and if we can upset the WC home team than there can be no doubt that we are headed in the right direction....beat the Bears...Tampa can lose the next two...and what else do we need...Detroit losing one of the next two...they can easily lose the next two...we take care of the Bears and we are in....Stefanskins Guaranteed!! Season taint over just yet...HTTR!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I could see us winning the next two games and catching a break and making the playoffs. But how can anyone be excited about this team's chances of anything with this defense? Joe Barry was an inexcusable hire. He was historically bad in Detroit and only got the job here because he's tight with Brucey. Yes, the team lacks talent on defense -- very much so -- but have you ever seen more confused players, more blown plays, more wide open receivers? Ingredients matter very much so, but you need someone who knows how to cook too, and clearly Barry doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Hooper said: I could see us winning the next two games and catching a break and making the playoffs. But how can anyone be excited about this team's chances of anything with this defense? Joe Barry was an inexcusable hire. He was historically bad in Detroit and only got the job here because he's tight with Brucey. Yes, the team lacks talent on defense -- very much so -- but have you ever seen more confused players, more blown plays, more wide open receivers? Ingredients matter very much so, but you need someone who knows how to cook too, and clearly Barry doesn't. I think they lose to the Bears and so it's not an issue. But if they do make the playoffs, I think that at least it is a step in the right direction. Playoff appearances in back-to-back years is something that hasn't happened since 1991-92. It would be kinda nice at least to be one of the last 12 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brixtion_skin Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 20/12/2016 at 4:54 PM, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I'm not going to argue that the team all around needs to be better. I just think of late they seem to be very predictable when it comes to running the ball particularly and its been setting up less than favorable 2nd and 3rd down scenarios. Not sure why the running game is not working. One thing I would ask - Is the draw play dead in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I actually have a theory that the team put the entire season on a win in Dallas. And the offense played just about as well as they could, and the defense just couldn't hang, and everybody just realized the situation. And that basically crushed their hopes for the remainder of the season. They have seemed completely unmotivated since Dallas. I concur, it took a lot out of them. They haven't been the same....I was hoping they'd turn that loss into motivation...to get into the playoffs and send those Cowturds back home....but, alas, it doesn't seem to be going that way....we have two more games...we have to win these last two so at the very least we have a better record than last year...and this is the NFL...you never know what can happen....twas a tough loss...esp. being down here in Panther Country...watching at a panther party-ish....we just didn't look good in any aspect....I had to shut my mouth from the giddy up...which amazed my friends...cause let's face it my mouf doesn't stop...esp. for a Skins game...but, yet again, I want to reiterate, we have two games left (boy this season flew by)....we win those and it was a successful year...swept the Eagles(5 in a row?)..maybe sweep the Giants( beat them 2 outta last 3)...back to back winning records...maybe back to back playoff seasons...shoot if you woulda told me after the '14 season all of this would be a possibility with two games left to go at the end of the '16 season I'da been signin' up before the ink was dry and I bet y'all would too..HTTR!!!! 5 minutes ago, Brixtion_skin said: Not sure why the running game is not working. One thing I would ask - Is the draw play dead in the NFL? or a f'n shovel pass...more quick slants please....take the pressure off of the line..and I'd run the ball 25-30 times...no matter what...get this line in a rhythm...more counter treys...hell put TW at guard these last two...why not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squatch66 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 We just don't have a defense that can keep us in games when the offense doesn't have it. Every team endures slumps from time to time. We have seen what our offense can do when it is clicking. We need to execute better in the run game. I think that is what killed us Monday. The Panthers sat back in zone coverage and let us beat ourselves. Starting next year I expect us to be able to win the low scoring affairs as well as shootouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Stefanskins said: we can still make the playoffs...and can still do some damage in the playoffs....and it will be our second straight year to make a playoff...and if we can upset the WC home team than there can be no doubt that we are headed in the right direction....beat the Bears...Tampa can lose the next two...and what else do we need...Detroit losing one of the next two...they can easily lose the next two...we take care of the Bears and we are in....Stefanskins Guaranteed!! Season taint over just yet...HTTR!!!! I agree with this, but gotta admit, when I first read it, I had this image of you standing up in a shopping cart in a Walmart at 2 in the morning with a bottle of Boonesfarm. I'm still laughing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 That's so precise...its uncanny...you had to have seen me having a night out on the town....which is going to the Super Walmart down on 501...prophesizin' Redskins season ending..."the end is nigh...NIGH I tellsya!!!...But I'm here to tell you...There's something else...The post season..a season of never ending happiness..where you can always see a weekend game day or night...so when that shrink calls you up from beverly hills...you now the one I'm talkin' about...can I get an amen...and another Boonesfarm...please.. " then I inevitably am escorted out....eh...its a livin'...lol....Jaeger......mmmm mmmm mmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 All we need is an average defense. If you can get us a defense that can stop the other team at least half the time then this team could possibly be looking at a 12-4 season or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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