nonniey Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I have a question and after doing a search have had no luck. When a receiver on a screen gets hit prior to touching the ball and then catches and goes down because of the original contact but wasn't touched when and after he caught the ball - why is he down by contact (why would contact before possession count)? This happened to Kelly on his second reception yesterday he got up and made positive yardage but the play was called back to where he hit the ground. (This is not unique I've seen this happen to other receivers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I think that they blew the call if that was the sequence. I think they ruled he had possession of the ball was touched, and was ruled down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Burgold said: I think that they blew the call if that was the sequence. I think they ruled he had possession of the ball was touched, and was ruled down. If that is the case the Redskins missed an easy challenge - ending up with a 3 yard loss instead of an nine yard gain when they were on the Cowboy 40 and failed to convert and punt 3 plays later. (2d Quarter 6:32) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 If I recall you can't challenge a whistle or any play involving one. Makes sense considering.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Can someone tell me why we were penalized on that onside kick that touched a Cowboy and then went out of bounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kost203 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: Can someone tell me why we were penalized on that onside kick that touched a Cowboy and then went out of bounds? I believe they said it did not reach the needed yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, SWFLSkins said: If I recall you can't challenge a whistle or any play involving one. Makes sense considering.. There was no whistle they let play develop until he was tackled at the 31. 16 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: Can someone tell me why we were penalized on that onside kick that touched a Cowboy and then went out of bounds? They blew that call should not have been a penalty. Pretty obviously too - didn't effect the game but just bad officiating there. And yes it did get the needed yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, nonniey said: There was no whistle they let play develop until he was tackled at the 31. Then by all means he should have challenged it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, kost203 said: I believe they said it did not reach the needed yardage. It did. They said the ball when out of bounds. I'm not 100% on the rule, but either an onside kick can't go out of bounds regardless of it hitting a player, or the refs screwed up. Given the refs' performance all game, I'm inclined to say they screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 That would be so odd if an onside kick that goes out of bounds off the receiving team is a penalty against the kicking team, if that's a rule its a strange one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kost203 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, elkabong82 said: It did. They said the ball when out of bounds. I'm not 100% on the rule, but either an onside kick can't go out of bounds regardless of it hitting a player, or the refs screwed up. Given the refs' performance all game, I'm inclined to say they screwed up. I'm not sure but if I recall playing American football when I was younger that if it hits the other team then it's a live ball. So, if it's a live ball and it hits the cowboys then it's fair game. How can one say it didn't reach the needed "" yardage if it was impeded but the Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, SWFLSkins said: Then by all means he should have challenged it. Just went back and looked at it again he was brought down at the 33 not 31 (7 yard gain if they had got it right) and it was very close (closer than I thought) but replay was clear the Cowboy had finished the contact (Tripping him up) before the ball arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I thought on an onside kick, the "didn't go 10 yards" rule goes out the window if a Cowboys player touches it. Sort of like Pass Interference nullifies if the ball is tipped at the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 All of you are correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 We really need to hire someone to make challenge decisions that is not a coach. (Hey I'll be available next year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50yrSKINSfan Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Just now, kost203 said: I'm not sure but if I recall playing American football when I was younger that if it hits the other team then it's a live ball. So, if it's a live ball and it hits the cowboys then it's fair game. How can one say it didn't reach the needed "" yardage if it was impeded but the Cowboys? On a onside kick the kicking team cannot touch the ball until it goes 10 yards from the los, but the receiving team does not have to wait until the ball goes 10 yards. They can touch it no matter how far the ball goes from the los. Once the receiving team touches the ball it is fair game no matter where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Unless it's just not showing on the mobile app, the NFL app does not show a penalty on the last onside kick. It shows it went out of bounds at the WAS 47 and that's where Dallas started their last drive. I was as confused as the rest of you as why they threw the flag. We'll probably never get an explanation because it had no bearing on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 The refs blew the onsides kick penalty call. It didn't matter because the Cowboys would have gotten the ball where it went out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaSkins Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I don't have a rule reference, but on the onside kick I believe as long as the receiveing team does not purposely knock the ball out of bounds it is a penalty on the kicking team if the ball goes out of bounds. https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2016/9/25/13049606/packers-kick-return-ty-montgomery-randall-cobb?client=safari The link shows how a Packers returner earlier this year put his feet out of bounds and reached back into the field of play to touch the ball and was able to draw a penalty against the Lions. Not exactly the same situation, but the rule applies the same as the onside kick yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 36 minutes ago, MontanaSkins said: I don't have a rule reference, but on the onside kick I believe as long as the receiveing team does not purposely knock the ball out of bounds it is a penalty on the kicking team if the ball goes out of bounds. https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2016/9/25/13049606/packers-kick-return-ty-montgomery-randall-cobb?client=safari The link shows how a Packers returner earlier this year put his feet out of bounds and reached back into the field of play to touch the ball and was able to draw a penalty against the Lions. Not exactly the same situation, but the rule applies the same as the onside kick yesterday. I think this is correct in that a kickoff is not like a punt, meaning that the possession is not automatically changed once the ball is kicked. On a punt, the possession is considered changed when the ball is kicked... a receiver would have to muff it for possession to change back to the kickers (Or some weird block play) whereas a kickoff it is a free ball after ten yards, so if it is not possessed before going out of bounds, then it is a penalty on the kicking team, regardless of who touches it. (we almost recovered one against the Packers,, the kickoff hung in the wind and bounced funny, and the Packers were not in any hurry to pick it up... i don't know how many realize if the Redskins had grabbed it, then it was our ball.) I don't know for sure if that is how the rule works, i am guessing based on logic and a couple of tokes on trusty ol' Blue. I recognize one or both have nothing to do with how the NFL rules work. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Refs blew the call mentioned in the OP and it was a huge swing. 2nd and 12 instead of 2nd and 2. Killed that drive. I was also irritated they failed to blow the play dead where Reed "fumbled" and made Kirk go for the tackle of the returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 To the op shoulda been defensive pi or 9. Yard gain not a stop for loss refs blew that one and the biased commentators played it off as a great defensive play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaSkins Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 No PI on passes behind the line of scrimmage. But I agree he should not have been ruled down when he went to the turf right after the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 That play where Reed "fumbled" wasn't that him making a catch and being down by contact? Seemed pretty obvious watching the TV replay, but it was ruled an incomplete pass if I remember correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 hour ago, NoCalMike said: That play where Reed "fumbled" wasn't that him making a catch and being down by contact? Seemed pretty obvious watching the TV replay, but it was ruled an incomplete pass if I remember correctly? It was ultimately correctly called, but they let the guy return the "fumble" and Kirk put himself on the line trying to make the tackle. Just irritated me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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