2016 Roster Thread (Building a Champion Edition) - Doct to IR - Mo Harris Up

[The Mayor of Fed Ex Field]

Nickname for Valdez Showers?

Going with Golden.

[CTskin]

I don't agree with this....plenty of teams have solid depth...either young guys who were recently drafted or vets like Freeney.

 

We have nothing...Houston Bates and Willie Jefferson?    Come on

 

Go look at last year's depth charts for the other 31 teams. At least two of the four OLBs on each team will be names you've never heard of. 

[SkinsPassion4Life]

Nothing? Preston Smith is possibly the best back up to a starting OLB anyone has.

Name a team with a back up defensive rookie player of the year.

So Jefferson, Bates or someone else comes in.

Could even mean more snaps for Cravens or Daniels.

it happened in the acl thread a few times, before one person mentioned depth.

Totally agree with your post above. Our defense is still going to be fun, as long as we're scoring points and I'm on record as saying we're a Faulk away from the next big show.

 

 

Preston Smith is starting

Are there any vets out there we can rent for a year?

 

Dwight Freeney

[Koolblue13]

Preston Smith is starting

Dwight Freeney

yes, Smith is starting. Point?

Freeney is no.

[bird_1972]

First one of you that says Greg Hardy... and I go straight to TSO with your dossier  

Ok ... let me qualify.

 

Any vets we can rent that aren't named Greg Hardy?

[DC9]

Someone mentioned Freeney on twitter last night.

 

If he's going to be situational, I wouldn't mind.  

[DC9]

Ok ... let me qualify.

 

Any vets we can rent that aren't named Greg Hardy?

 

that wasn't at you, bird, I'm just tired of seeing it on twitter

 

And while I think the world of Ty Nsehke's pass blocking abilities (I really do and I said as much last preseason - just struggles with run blocking is all) I don't want a guy who half-assed a season finale against a team of back-ups, and didn't reach his incentives because of it, on my football team, ya know?

[bird_1972]

Someone mentioned Freeney on twitter last night.

 

If he's going to be situational, I wouldn't mind.  

 

He would be one of the two "name" vets that I would want (and agree on the situational role part).

 

The other would be Pierre Thomas at RB if he's still avail.

[DC9]

He would be one of the two "name" vets that I would want (and agree on the situational role part).

 

The other would be Pierre Thomas at RB if he's still avail.

 

We may get both.

 

The way I understand it with PT is they are looking to get the film together on the youngins this preseason and then they'd sign on PT if they felt they needed him AFTER week 1. 

 

If you sign a vested veteran in camp you're on the hook for his contract regardless of whether or not he makes the team.  So that's why the waiting game with Thomas.

 

If we were to get Freeney, that would (imo) do wonders for a guy like Preston Smith.  Freeney's at the age now where he's still a pain in the ass off the edge but he also knows what he is.  And I don't think he'd have a problem mentoring a guy like Smith.

 

Freeney was also never really a speed guy, he was a move/countermove guy who had excellent hands - so he has the full bag of tricks that would still be good for 6-8 sacks a year.  You just have to watch his pitch count.  So I'm not sure he'd play much at all in preseason if he were signed soon.

[CommDownMan]

Ok ... let me qualify.

 

Any vets we can rent that aren't named Greg Hardy?

 

If people want talent and a guy that could be better than Hardy, I think Aldon Smith is a better choice. 

 

Of course he'd need to get better and re-instated, so we'd still be looking at internal options.

 

Still, not the best option, but I'd route for a guy to get his drinking together over a locker room cancer and woman abuser every day of the week. 

 

But still probably not the answer you wanted   Haha.

[RandyHolt]

Maybe Trent will get some snaps at OLB

[gholmesbm]

Junior's loss is a blow, but the loss of Jarrett will hurt long term.

 

A drafted young player who gave us nickel coverage and lots of DB flexibility without a big contract. That cannot be replaced easily/cheaply, unless we can find another one of our young players who can do it. That could have salary cap ramifications.

[SkinsPassion4Life]

yes, Smith is starting. Point?

Freeney is no.

 

The point is there's no depth.......Freeney had 9 sacks last year.....perfect situational 3rd down rusher

[Koolblue13]

The point is there's no depth.......Freeney had 9 sacks last year.....perfect situational 3rd down rusher

so our #3 OLB goes down and you're upset about having nothing at #4?

Or are you saying Smith is now our starter, because we had depth, but now we have no depth?

There's plenty of options. I'm not that opposed to Freeney, but I'd rather not.

[TSO]

First one of you that says Greg Hardy... and I go straight to TSO with your dossier

Lot of dossiers to file for you.

[DC9]

so our #3 OLB goes down and you're upset about having nothing at #4?

Or are you saying Smith is now our starter, because we had depth, but now we have no depth?

There's plenty of options. I'm not that opposed to Freeney, but I'd rather not.

 

You mean most teams don't have 4 pro bowl pass rushers?

The point is there's no depth.......Freeney had 9 sacks last year.....perfect situational 3rd down rusher

 

Here is where Freeney should give you pause... just a little.  He's 36 years old.  He had like 4 sacks combined the previous 2 seasons (granted he didn't play most of the games... but... still... the Chargers had him stood up quite a bit).  And last year he played for Arizona, who blitzed over 60% of the time and had a dy-no-mite secondary. 

 

So never just look at the numbers and say "that guy."

 

It would have to be the right money, the right situation, and the right time.  As I eluded to before, you probably don't want him in camp, just in case he's injured later in the season or he literally has nothing left.  We don't want to be with that contract for the full year in those situations.

[Koolblue13]

Yeah, I really have no idea how you get mad at depth over this.

It's probably our 3rd deepest position, behind WR and TE. Maybe even CB.

[DC9]

Maybe Trent will get some snaps at OLB

 

He's weighing almost 300lbs now, brother.

[RandyHolt]

He's weighing almost 300lbs now, brother.

He is listed today at 290, and likely drops 5 after a day out in the sun. I wonder what he was at last year.

 

I bet he could lose more weight if requested. I figure he couldn't be much slower than he was at his SLB optimal weight. 

 

Yeah I knew he bulked up for his new DL duties, but I figured they could still get him some snaps in light of the position turning thin. He knows the position at least. 

 

Maybe Houston Bates becomes the next Rob Jackson.  

[Koolblue13]

He's weighing almost 300lbs now, brother.

wow, that's impressive.

I really think by mid season he's going to be almost as good as Baker on the line. His run/contain has been pretty good. He wasn't good in space. This will suit his strengths.

I'm pretty high on our Dline though.

Also, my optimism for our defense has been leaning pretty hard on your boy. I'm expecting him to have a turn around like Kirk did, getting the start. I think Compton beasts out and I can finally stop fawning over Lee all the time. Ols

[DC9]

He is listed today at 290, and likely drops 5 after a day out in the sun. I wonder what he was at last year.

 

I bet he could lose more weight if requested. I figure he couldn't be much slower than he was at his SLB optimal weight. 

 

Yeah I knew he bulked up for his new DL duties, but I figured they could still get him some snaps in light of the position turning thin. He knows the position at least. 

 

Maybe Houston Bates becomes the next Rob Jackson.  

 

290 is almost 300lbs

 

And yes, when you're that big you can skip a few meals and lost about 5-10 lbs pretty easily, but you don't want him to develop energy loss by doing that this late in the game (see Albert Haynesworth).  He is honestly much better suited for a LE role in a 4-3 (run stopper) or in a 3-4 as a DE.  His hands are excellent.  IMO he's got a legit chance to be a poor man's JJ Watt if he works hard enough, and I'm not even exagerating.  I don't expect that this year, but in a year or two when he learns his leverage and his body for it's given size.

 

Just need to roll with the depth we've got for now.  Who knows what we'll find?  If it's nothing, there is a stop gap or two option out there we can bring in for a year.  But I wouldn't panic at all if I were Scot.

wow, that's impressive.

I really think by mid season he's going to be almost as good as Baker on the line. His run/contain has been pretty good. He wasn't good in space. This will suit his strengths.

I'm pretty high on our Dline though.

Also, my optimism for our defense has been leaning pretty hard on your boy. I'm expecting him to have a turn around like Kirk did, getting the start. I think Compton beasts out and I can finally stop fawning over Lee all the time. Ols

 

Yes sir!  Exactly how I feel about Murphy.  Maybe not Baker good.  Baker is a penetration machine who is outstanding with his leverage.  I'm not sure Murphy is going to have that control until next year, but if he gets it this season, especially midseason - we're cooking with gas, bro.

 

And I agree about Compton.  I still have no clue how that boy wasn't drafted.

[carex]

Yeah, I really have no idea how you get mad at depth over this.

It's probably our 3rd deepest position, behind WR and TE. Maybe even CB.

 

I don't see how you can think the Skins have any real depth at OLB.  Bates has part of one season, Jefferson has CFL experience, and I think that's it.  Maybe Riley or Foster can spend some time there though, as depth

[Darth Tater]

Our base defense is really a 42 although Cravens will hopefully allow us to play a pseudo 43.  Preston and Kerrigan are primarily going to be DEs in this form.  Junior would have likely been a pass rush specialist often playing DE when Preston was kicked in to DT when and if we forced our opponent to go pass happy.  Problem with losing Junior is more about who will be that DT when we really want Preston there.

[DC9]

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Our base defense is really a 42 although Cravens will hopefully allow us to play a pseudo 43.  Preston and Kerrigan are primarily going to be DEs in this form.  Junior would have likely been a pass rush specialist often playing DE when Preston was kicked in to DT when and if we forced our opponent to go pass happy.  Problem with losing Junior is more about who will be that DT when we really want Preston there.

 

Yeah teams put us in the nickel more last year.  Not sure how they'll plan to attack us this year with the thin d-line and the deep secondary.

 

We'll see.  I think we'll have plenty of depth so long as we can get lucky with health.

I don't see how you can think the Skins have any real depth at OLB.  Bates has part of one season, Jefferson has CFL experience, and I think that's it.  Maybe Riley or Foster can spend some time there though, as depth

 

What he's saying is that most teams don't have 3 dudes with double-digit sack potential from the edge.  We have had the threat of that in the offseason the past two years, but it hasn't materialized. 

 

So you normally have two starters and then your to-be-groomed dudes, which is where we're at now.

 

I like the prospect of a vet with moves like Freeney.  I the past we'd rely on him and pay him a ton of money, but now it's just a bonus to have whatever he brings to the table.

[RandyHolt]

290 is almost 300lbs

 

And yes, when you're that big you can skip a few meals and lost about 5-10 lbs pretty easily, but you don't want him to develop energy loss by doing that this late in the game (see Albert Haynesworth).  He is honestly much better suited for a LE role in a 4-3 (run stopper) or in a 3-4 as a DE.  His hands are excellent.  IMO he's got a legit chance to be a poor man's JJ Watt.....

 

It's funny you mentioned Watt; I actually looked at him to see what he weighed yesterday, in looking for a comparable to our new found DL.  However, I didn't dare mention Watt in the same sentence as Murphy for fear of being laughed at by the internets!

 

The dude was a sack machine in college. You don't think he will get there, but he seems persistent and if the QB holds the ball too long, he is often closing fast. We could really use a big year out of him especially with Junior out.

 

Preston has impressed me to no end and of course will get the lions share of Jr's snaps, if we can even say that since Jr never got any.