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2 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You’re joking right? Just watch this scene.

 

 

It’s ****ING AWESOME!!! Right? The first 20 seconds alone is worth several Nobel prizes.

 


Lol right. 
 

its very beneficial to Obi Wan that Greivous can’t operate his 4 arms at the same time unless they are doing the same thing his other 2 arms are doing. Obi Wan should have died in 5 seconds. There is legit no way to defend against that but the prequels had to turn the lightsaber fights up to 1000 and that’s what we get 

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8 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

@Sacks 'n' Stuff has the high ground!


As I saw online:


(10 minutes of insane acrobatics, reversals, feats of agility and strength over rivers of molten lava)

 

Obi-Wan: "It's over, Anakin. I have a slight grade advantage on this gently sloped but otherwise solid earth. How could someone who just moments ago jumped 100ft from a melting platform going down a lava waterfall onto a 2 sq. ft. floating droid possibly hope to compete with that advantage?"

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This movie was amazing.  BTW- I was pretty sure that Finn and Po were going to make out at the end because I heard in a review that there was a homosexual kiss.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  I kept checking off characters as the movie went on.  At first I thought maybe Leia but she seemed like a late in lie lesbian but then she died.  Then i thought maybe chewy and some other male animal because that would check the box in a pretty vanilla not controversial way.  Then i thought the fat x- wing pilot because he jut appeared out of no where and there were lots of other male pilots running around the base.  Then i thought Finn because he was sort of without a love interest because Rey seemed interested in Kylo.  Then I thought Po because it looked like he played that warrior girl just to get her help then made a lame excuse to not go off with her.  So I was sure we would see it right at the end.

 

But then it ended up being the one woman everyone knew was a lesbian and some other random girl.  What a let down.

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6 minutes ago, kfrankie said:

This movie was amazing.  BTW- I was pretty sure that Finn and Po were going to make out at the end because I heard in a review that there was a homosexual kiss.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  I kept checking off characters as the movie went on.  At first I thought maybe Leia but she seemed like a late in lie lesbian but then she died.  Then i thought maybe chewy and some other male animal because that would check the box in a pretty vanilla not controversial way.  Then i thought the fat x- wing pilot because he jut appeared out of no where and there were lots of other male pilots running around the base.  Then i thought Finn because he was sort of without a love interest because Rey seemed interested in Kylo.  Then I thought Po because it looked like he played that warrior girl just to get her help then made a lame excuse to not go off with her.  So I was sure we would see it right at the end.

 

But then it ended up being the one woman everyone knew was a lesbian and some other random girl.  What a let down.


I think these movies were setup for Poe and Finn to be gay but when so many people ****ed about casting a woman as lead and minorities, they scrapped that idea. 
 

I also thought the two had some gay undertones throughout this movie and that they would lock eyes at the end and have a moment. 

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5 minutes ago, kfrankie said:

I was pretty sure that Finn and Po were going to make out at the end because I heard in a review that there was a homosexual kiss.

 

But then it ended up being the one woman everyone knew was a lesbian and some other random girl.  What a let down.

I was also extremely disappointed by the absence of interracial dude on dude action.

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Movie was excellent. Seeing it again next week. Can’t stop thinking about it. Rey and Ben are fantastic characters to watch and their scenes together across the trilogy were some of the best in Star Wars. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually enjoys anything anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️  
 
Also enjoyed TFA and TLJ. I’ve wanted new Star Wars content for years after the PT, and I’ll watch anything they put out, and enjoy it, because Star Wars. 
 

Roast me if you like, don’t care. Life is better with more Star Wars.

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42 minutes ago, LLandryistheshiz said:

Rey and Ben are fantastic characters 


I agree I think they are the two best characters and their dynamic is the best written and most believable aspect of the entire series. It was a very nice conclusion them. 
 

I simply wish they hadn’t walked back so many of the bold choices they made as fake outs and had taken the conclusion into a different direction instead of a fan service check-off list of the OT. 

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Saw It last night with some old high school buds that I went to see Ep III at midnight with way back when.

 

Pretty disappointed with this trilogy as a whole.

 

Called it back then when Force Awakens came out while everyone was giving it nothing but praise. I saw the writing on the wall that this will come out to a nothing-burger, story wise.

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8 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:


I agree I think they are the two best characters and their dynamic is the best written and most believable aspect of the entire series. It was a very nice conclusion them. 
 

I simply wish they hadn’t walked back so many of the bold choices they made as fake outs and had taken the conclusion into a different direction instead of a fan service check-off list of the OT. 


She never left Jakku but instantly speaks Wookiee, is a master pilot, can use the force to perform mind tricks, defeats Vader’s grandson who has trained all his life in her first experience holding a lightsaber. Please. She is the very definition of a Mary Sue. JJ tried to fix it by making her not the offspring of junkies and she’s somehow naturally adept at using the force. She has no character arc. Luke is a whiney little punk in a new hope and progresses with mentorship from Obi-wan. Rey is a useless one dimensional all powerful character. Jar Jar Binks level failure in TFA. Talk about fan service. She is fan fiction porn to people demanding chicks be bad asses in fantasy movies. She’s a caricature not a character. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:


She never left Jakku but instantly speaks Wookiee, is a master pilot, can use the force to perform mind tricks, defeats Vader’s grandson who has trained all his life in her first experience holding a lightsaber. Please. She is the very definition of a Mary Sue. JJ tried to fix it by making her not the offspring of junkies and she’s somehow naturally adept at using the force. She has no character arc. Luke is a whiney little punk in a new hope and progresses with mentorship from Obi-wan. Rey is a useless one dimensional all powerful character. Jar Jar Binks level failure in TFA. Talk about fan service. She is fan fiction porn to people demanding chicks be bad asses in fantasy movies. She’s a caricature not a character. 

 

 


 

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The issue with Rey is that she had no real struggle. You look back at heroes of the previous SW movies and they all struggled or flat out got their ass kicked at one point or another but Rey seemingly wins every fight, save for I guess the very end with Palpatine but that was more just "omg we have to make Palpatine super powerful because...reasons."

 

They should have never continued the original trilogy. These movies should have been completely new and based off, say, The Old Republic era, or something along those lines.

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Spoilers:

 

Every hero’s journey doesnt have to follow the “gets defeated first, comes back determined and wins in the end” might as well have a montage of her working a speed bag while we are at it 
 

her struggle is with herself more than physically. Physically, she fairly luckily bested a severely wounded and torn apart emotionally Kylo. She doesn’t beat anyone in TLJ and she has a pretty hard time with Snokes guards. In ROS she has been training nonstop and still gets defeated by Kylo only to stab him when he drops his guard and isn’t even fighting anymore. Then she is defeated by Palpatine until she channels the 1000 generations of Jedi to help her power up and defeat him and in doing so she dies. 
 

So she’s not really overpowered at all in her fights. Her struggles are with herself. Finding her place in the story. Finding purpose. Hung up on her past and her parents. She’s broken in TLJ when she thinks Kylo has joined her but then she realizes he wants her to leave her friends. Accepting who she is but rejecting what it means for her and deciding on a new identity in ROS

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11 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

The issue with Rey is that she had no real struggle. You look back at heroes of the previous SW movies and they all struggled or flat out got their ass kicked at one point or another but Rey seemingly wins every fight, save for I guess the very end with Palpatine but that was more just "omg we have to make Palpatine super powerful because...reasons."

 

They should have never continued the original trilogy. These movies should have been completely new and based off, say, The Old Republic era, or something along those lines.

 

Yeah the biggest problem with Rey is why is she was so powerful.  TROS explains it, but in doing so created more plot holes.  I think they should have explained it a different why and gone with the Darth Plagueis route instead of bringing back Palpatine.  George Lucas set it up in III and would have been a good way to tie all 3 trilogies together but it seems KK and JJ were too scared to pull from the PT.  

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2 minutes ago, drowland said:

 

Yeah the biggest problem with Rey is why is she was so powerful.  TROS explains it, but in doing so created more plot holes.  I think they should have explained it a different why and gone with the Darth Plagueis route instead of bringing back Palpatine.  George Lucas set it up in III and would have been a good way to tie all 3 trilogies together but it seems KK and JJ were too scared to pull from the PT.  

 

Spoilers ahead:


By making her a Palpatine she is automatically a Skywalker. It’s not really a choice. It’s canon in Darth Vader 25 comic that Sheev Palpatine is Anakin’s “father” in that he created Anakin out of the force from what he learned from Plagueis. Plus they can literally repeat this story now if they wanted to. She can have a kid or twins and one can be seduced by the dark side. Her lineage is far more robust than the limited Skywalker line. She’s the bloodline of Nabooian aristocracy and one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever who also created Anakin. She’s the granddaughter of Palpatine and in effect the niece of Vader. Her kid can turn on her for lying about their legacy just like Kylo. It’s not really an ending without her permanent death.

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19 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

It can’t be two bad movies in a row when this one sits at 58% critic / 86% audience and TLJ is 91% critic / 43% audience so it’s either this is the disappointment and bad movie or the other is. 
 

I think that just explains it pretty well. Fans don’t want great movies that are bold, challenging, original and exciting. They just want the same **** they like sold to them over and over. 

 

The fans didn't really like the first one very much.  I think many people will admit that things got out of control with the last one especially on Rotten Tomatoes, and I think that actually had a lot to do with the fans dislike of the first one.

 

(I think fans didn't like the first one a lot, but were sort of hopeful, and then things came crashing down with the TLJ so TLJ took a big hit, and then that coupled with larger societal issues really snow balled.)

 

I also think you are seeing people that aren't really fans over rank this one on Rotten tomatoes to counter balance it.

 

And if you look at IMDd, TFA is a 7.9, TLJ is a 7.1, and this one is 6.9.  The Rotten Tomatoes for whatever reason became a place for people to vent (for whatever reason) after TLJ.

 

(I also think you are wrong on the last.  Even if you look at fan comments about the TFA, the one thing people universally liked was TFA Snoke, which was somebody new and not really connected to the whole repeat of the ANH plot (and then you see some of the backlash from TLJ when TLJ seems to just throw away one of the better parts of TFA).  They liked the new thing and the idea of exploring his background and TLJ just threw it away.)

 

The other thing you are seeing is the box office draw isn't great for this move, which isn't consistent with fans loving it.  They aren't going to get people seeing it 2 or 3 times.  It'll do worse than TFA and likely worse than TLJ.  The idea that the fans love this one isn't really consistent with what is happening, other than the Rotten Tomato scores.

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23 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

I think the movie is pretty clear that Luke's story is the accurate account but we understand Kylo's perspective, waking up and seeing him standing over you with his lightsaber on, why he thinks that Luke was trying to kill him. That's why Luke's version explains both the truth and Kylo's interpretation of what happened. 

 

I had no idea that wasn't obvious to people and I can't fathom someone as smart as you didn't realize that. Sounds like you are nitpicking and grasping at straws. 

 

Star Wars in general, including the TLJ, have borrowed from movies where perspective is important.

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/last-jedi-rashomon/

 

The key thing is in Rashomon you have a near neutral narrator, which certainly isn't the case here, especially with flawed Luke.

 

Are you really going to tell me you'll be surprised if they revisit it in the next movie and it turns out that Kylo Ren's story is closer to the truth and that Luke, in his years alone, accepted a version that is less accurate?

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Isn't it also possible that each film's respective place in the trilogy influences some of that too?  You may come away with a mixed bag from each of the three, with some parts you like and some parts you don't.  But with the first film, you may have more of a wait and see approach for the parts you didn't like with two more movies to come.  TLJ has less room because now there's only one movie left to wrap it up and Luke's arc is over.  Of course, RoS has no more room left.  

 

 

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23 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

He got arrogant. He cultivated Anakin's turn for a decade but tried to get Rey and Luke to turn in a single night. 

 

I wouldn't say she was jesus christ

 

He's not very invested in turning Luke because the turning of Luke isn't important to him.  The idea is if Luke doesn't turn, he'll just kill him.  He's perfectly happy with the status quo.

 

I guess you could make the argument in the latest one too in that Kylo Ren appears to be his primary target and a lot of work was done there to get to that point.

 

His problem is less arrogance vs. what he doesn't understand.  He understands fear.

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1 hour ago, drowland said:

 

Yeah the biggest problem with Rey is why is she was so powerful.  TROS explains it, but in doing so created more plot holes.  I think they should have explained it a different why and gone with the Darth Plagueis route instead of bringing back Palpatine.  George Lucas set it up in III and would have been a good way to tie all 3 trilogies together but it seems KK and JJ were too scared to pull from the PT.  


what are you referencing with Darth Plagueis? That was my impression of exactly what happened with Palpatine. He had cheated death but in doing so was basically zombified and stuck to that machine unable to leave exegol or whatever the planet was. He gives Kylo the exact same line he gave Anakin about the dark side providing abilities some consider unnatural. I thought it was direct telling that he cheated death in the way he talked of Plagueis.  
 

it’s long been a theory if not outright confirmed in outside sources (not sure) that Palpatine was Plagueis’ apprentice in the story and is the one that killed Plagueis. The only question was if he learned how to cheat death and he clearly did 

3 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

He's not very invested in turning Luke because the turning of Luke isn't important to him.  The idea is if Luke doesn't turn, he'll just kill him.  He's perfectly happy with the status quo.

 

I guess you could make the argument in the latest one too in that Kylo Ren appears to be his primary target and a lot of work was done there to get to that point.

 

His problem is less arrogance vs. what he doesn't understand.  He understands fear.


I think he wants to turn Luke to have a younger apprentice that could be stronger than Vader but if it doesn’t work out, he’s fine too. 

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1 hour ago, PeterMP said:

 

Star Wars in general, including the TLJ, have borrowed from movies where perspective is important.

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/last-jedi-rashomon/

 

The key thing is in Rashomon you have a near neutral narrator, which certainly isn't the case here, especially with flawed Luke.

 

Are you really going to tell me you'll be surprised if they revisit it in the next movie and it turns out that Kylo Ren's story is closer to the truth and that Luke, in his years alone, accepted a version that is less accurate?


i would be very surprised by this considering I believe the movie is very clear on what actually happened. 
 

further evidence of this is the structure that we are given of the incident. 
 

first we get Luke’s glossed over version of events where he says he went to confront Ben and that Ben turned on an unarmed Luke. 
 

then we find out Kylo’s perspective of that night waking up and seeing Luke holding his lightsaber over him trying to kill him. 
 

Finally we get the truth from Luke which isn’t really different from Kylo’s it’s just that he can’t judge Luke’s motives in that split second before he defends himself and brings the place down to escape. Luke explains why Kylo believed Luke tried to kill him. From both of their perspectives, the final version of the story makes sense and we can determine it is the real truth. It really was a misunderstanding and a single moment of weakness which is part of the tragedy of it. 
 

stories are often told in this structure. Two different versions told before we get the truth. 

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6 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:


what are you referencing with Darth Plagueis? That was my impression of exactly what happened with Palpatine. He had cheated death but in doing so was basically zombified and stuck to that machine unable to leave exegol or whatever the planet was. He gives Kylo the exact same line he gave Anakin about the dark side providing abilities some consider unnatural. I thought it was direct telling that he cheated death in the way he talked of Plagueis.  
 

it’s long been a theory if not outright confirmed in outside sources (not sure) that Palpatine was Plagueis’ apprentice in the story and is the one that killed Plagueis. The only question was if he learned how to cheat death and he clearly did 

 


There is an entire book on Darth Plagueis ( born Hego Damask) and he is Darth Sidious’(Palpatine) master and Palpatine does kill him. The book however is now part of the legends series so not officially canon. But it’s a great read and fixes a lot of the prequel holes nicely. Most of the new canon materials don’t contradict it and make most of it canon. Specifically Sidious is Darth Plagueis’ apprentice and uses his training from Plagueis to create Anakin in the new canon. And you are correct he uses the exact line from ROTS in this one. 
 

Wow I just realized what a Star Wars nerd I have become. 😂
 

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2 hours ago, bearrock said:

Isn't it also possible that each film's respective place in the trilogy influences some of that too?  You may come away with a mixed bag from each of the three, with some parts you like and some parts you don't.  But with the first film, you may have more of a wait and see approach for the parts you didn't like with two more movies to come.  TLJ has less room because now there's only one movie left to wrap it up and Luke's arc is over.  Of course, RoS has no more room left.  

 

Absolutely!  And then what you are seeing with RoS is that is being judged in the context of lower expectations. 

 

And a lot of fans that are saying they like it are really saying, given the state of things after the last 2 moves, this is a good movie. 

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