visionary Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 http://mashable.com/2015/01/10/muslim-man-hid-people-in-fridge-during-kosher-market-attack/#:eyJzIjoidCIsImkiOiJfeWhldnZlZW05ZTQyNWs1NyJ9 Muslim man hid customers in a fridge during siege of Paris kosher market Stories of heroism have begun to emerge in the wake of Friday's deadly attack at a kosher market in central Paris. One Muslim man, who worked at the store, is being hailed for reportedly hiding several customers in a fridge during the siege. The attack, described by French President Francois Hollande as an anti-Semitic attack, left four hostages and the attacker dead after an hours-long standoff with police. Lassana Bathily, who worked in the Hypher Cacher market, was at the store when the gunman stormed the building. He is described in local reports as a 24-year-old Muslim. Bathily was interviewed by French broadcaster BFMTV and recounted how he ushered customers into a refrigerator as the gunman entered the market Friday afternoon. According to Bathily's account, when the attack on the store began, a group of people ran into the basement of the store. He led them into a refrigerator and turned the machine off, before attempting to get help. "When they ran down, I opened the door [of the refrigerator]. There were several people who had turned to me. I turned off the light, I turned off the freezer.... I closed the door, I told them stay calm, I'm going out," said Bathily, who BFMTV described as humble when retelling the story. He escaped the store and, once safe, gave the police information about what was going on inside the building. All of the people in the refrigerator were rescued, according to French media. Bathily is seen in this French language report speaking about the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 SHF, are you saying that you arent familiar with any hadith in which mohammed committed or sanctioned violence and/or killing (in a non-self defense situation)? there are a number of such hadith that i can find, but i'd like your input. i'm aware that critics can take things out of context to suit their purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Bloomberg: Britons Mock Fox News ‘Terror Expert’ Over Muslim Claims Europe needs to do something. In England, even homemade jams are becoming radicalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-lebanon-france-rally-20150111-story.html Lebanese gather to remember the victims of Paris attacks A diverse crowd of more than 150 people gathered on Sunday in Beirut's downtown Samir Kassir Square in solidarity with the massive march in Paris after last week's terror attacks, with the Lebanese raising pens and toting “Je suis Charlie” signs. There were also signs saying “Je suis Ahmet,” a reference to the Muslim policeman killed in the series of attacks last week. Other signs said, “No Hezbollah, No ISIS, No Terrorism, Yes freedom” and in Arabic, “I am Charlie and Gebran and Samir,” the square’s namesake columnist and his editor Gebran Tueni, both journalists killed by car bombs here in 2005. “We tend to forget there is not just Charlie – there is Gebran and Samir, people who died to express their thoughts,” said Michele Laugel, 23, an unemployed writer holding the Arabic sign who said she came to the gathering because she is half French and feels strongly about freedom of expression. “It just really is disturbing that this could happen in the [French] capital – no one is safe,” Laugel said. Nearby, 8-year-old Fairouz Cabirou held a handmade “Je suis Charlie” sign aloft as she sat on her father’s shoulders. Her father is a Christian from southern France, her mother Muslim from Lebanon. After following news of the attacks this week, the family of four drove in from the suburbs for the gathering. “It was a way to do something in a moment when you don’t know what to do,” said her father, Patrice Cabirou, 41, a high school history teacher, adding that he felt the crowd was defending the French principles of liberty, equality and brotherhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-lebanon-france-rally-20150111-story.html Thanks for posting that. Makes me glad I stuck my head into this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This may be in poor taste but it needs to be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This may be in poor taste but it needs to be posted. this is what the Teju Cole article mentioned. Not just that, but some real stuff goes on in this country and people stay silent. (looks at Golden Globe awards) It doesnt surprise me, but it is a bit annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Roddy Doyle recounts the conversation of two Dublin men in the pub ... -We’re yeh ever up in Ikea, were yeh? -Oh, for **** sake. -We got ****in’ lost up there. -Same here. We went up for a desk for one o’ the grandkids an’ we ended up buyin’ a ****in’ hammock an’ three ****tail shakers. An’ never found the ****in’ desks. Wha’ about youse? -We were lookin’ for some Mohammed wallpaper. -Wha’? -Wallpaper with pictures of your man, Mohammed, on it. -For **** sake. Did yis find it? -No – no, we didn’t. It was the wife’s idea. She was ****in’ outraged tha’ the Charlie lads were shot just because o’ those cartoons an’ she said we should wallpaper one o’ the rooms with Mohammed. As a mark o’ solidarity, like. -Come here, but. Does Ikea sell Mohammed wallpaper? -No, but we just thought any sham with a beard would do us an’ we’d just say it was your man. -Any joy? -No – none. We thought abou’ paintin’ beards on One Direction but it would’ve have been a bit obvious. -So, wha’ did yis do? -We went for a different cartoon instead. -Which? -Spongebob. -Hold on - you’re hangin’ ****in’ Spongebob wallpaper in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo? -We are, yeah. Je suis Spongebob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 So you knew it was in poor taste, yet posted it anyway ? SMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 So you knew it was in poor taste, yet posted it anyway ? SMH. Are you referring to the Roddy Doyle piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This may be in poor taste but it needs to be posted. I don't think it is in poor taste. If Muslim extremists went into an African town and executed 12 Christians, it wouldn't even make the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 So you knew it was in poor taste, yet posted it anyway ? SMH.it wasnt in poor taste. you should def read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have a few very liberal friends who won't even let you make this a "Muslim" issue. No, the acts of the few don't represent the whole but it's very difficult to separate the two. The argument is that this is "violence ideology" that isn't necessarily limited to Muslims. One goes on to argue that Christians are the most violent in past (crusades, colonialism/forced conversions) and probably present. I'm a Progressive myself but I can't stomach this kind of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This may be in poor taste but it needs to be posted. So the media is racist by omission, now? The local experience is invalidated because something analogous is happening to a greater degree somewhere else? Hungry people in DC soup kitchens don't matter as much because there are millions in a famine in Somalia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have a few very liberal friends who won't even let you make this a "Muslim" issue. No, the acts of the few don't represent the whole but it's very difficult to separate the two. The argument is that this is "violence ideology" that isn't necessarily limited to Muslims. One goes on to argue that Christians are the most violent in past (crusades, colonialism/forced conversions) and probably present. I'm a Progressive myself but I can't stomach this kind of thinking. i mean Muslims are being massacred right now in Central African Republic by Christians. Its just radical belief in a religion going otu of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have a few very liberal friends who won't even let you make this a "Muslim" issue. No, the acts of the few don't represent the whole but it's very difficult to separate the two. The argument is that this is "violence ideology" that isn't necessarily limited to Muslims. One goes on to argue that Christians are the most violent in past (crusades, colonialism/forced conversions) and probably present. I'm a Progressive myself but I can't stomach this kind of thinking. Ask them if Christian views on homosexuality contributed in any way to Matthew Shepard's murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ask them if Christian views on homosexuality contributed in any way to Matthew Shepard's murder.exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have a few very liberal friends who won't even let you make this a "Muslim" issue. No, the acts of the few don't represent the whole but it's very difficult to separate the two. The argument is that this is "violence ideology" that isn't necessarily limited to Muslims. One goes on to argue that Christians are the most violent in past (crusades, colonialism/forced conversions) and probably present. I'm a Progressive myself but I can't stomach this kind of thinking. What kind of thinking exactly? The kind that cautions not to make hasty generalizations about billions based on the actions of a few?If I say, "Not all terrorists are Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorists," then I say something true. Do you not think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Are you referring to the Roddy Doyle piece? No RawBBQ's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ask them if Christian views on homosexuality contributed in any way to Matthew Shepard's murder. wasn't he killed by a gay friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 this is what the Teju Cole article mentioned. Not just that, but some real stuff goes on in this country and people stay silent. (looks at Golden Globe awards) It doesnt surprise me, but it is a bit annoying. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/boko-harams-quiet-destruction-of-northeast-nigeria/384416/ As many as a million people, joined by 40 world leaders, filled the streets of Paris on Sunday in solidarity after two separate terrorist attacks claimed 17 innocent lives last week. The day before, more than 3,000 miles to the south, a girl believed to be around 10 approached the entrance to a crowded market in Maiduguri, a city of some 1 million in Nigeria's Borno State. As a security guard inspected her, the girl detonated explosives strapped to her body, killing herself and at least 19 others. Dozens more were injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 wasn't he killed by a gay friend? No. He was killed by two guys who pretended to be gay so that they could rob him. They offered him a ride home but instead they drove him to a remote location, tied him to a fence, pistol whipped and beat him into a coma and left him to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What kind of thinking exactly? The kind that cautions not to make hasty generalizations about billions based on the actions of a few? If I say, "Not all terrorists are Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorists," then I say something true. An estimated more than 3,000 Muslims have left relatively comfortable lives in Western Europe to join ISIS knowing quite well what a violent organization they are and what they stand for. At what point do we dispense with "a few", and consider what are root causes given that Muslim communities are bearing such 'fruit' in such numbers? Many, many Muslims take doctrines about blasphemy, apostasy, jihad, and martyrdom seriously. Not a few, not a majority, but enough to help spawn the kind of violence we see in many parts of the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 That is not what Jimenez says http://www.advocate.com/print-issue/current-issue/2013/09/13/have-we-got-matthew-shepard-all-wrong?page=full certainly not related to Corcaighs association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 To our fellow French Redskins fans of ES out there, sending out love to you. Whether you were affected or not. We know all too well what it's like to deal with terrorists. Back in 2001, just after the attacks, this tune was playing on the radio a bunch. It was a song that my girl at the time and I gravitated to. It gave us comfort in those trying times. Might help you too. Hope you can be comforted by family. I'll let the other folks talk about religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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