ramsfan09 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hello Redskins fans! I am sure none of you remember me but I've been a member since 09 and like to come post a look at our games against one another. It seems like we play each other a lot. This is probably the best I've seen the Rams as a team since I started posting here by far, I can't remember being this excited about the Rams in the 19 years since they moved here except for the GSOT era. I try to be as unbiased as possible but you have to keep this in mind The offense has been playing really well, even before the Raiders game. The Rams running game has been very good led by rookie Tre Mason who was inactive the first six weeks, seemingly he did something Jeff Fisher didn't like. He's a short guy who plays much bigger and loves to finish runs by laying out defenders every time he can. He remind me of Steven Jackson, but he's a little less powerful and a lot faster and shiftier. Depth is also good with Zac Stacy, a 2nd year player who had a 1000 yard season last year. At WR we have pretty good players but none that stand out as a true #1 receiver. Tavon Austin has the most pure talent, he's extremely quick and shifty (he returns punts too). Watch for him to rush a few times and get the ball on misdirections out of the backfield. He's so effective in this stuff that all year long I've watched defenses get caught looking for him to do something out of the backfeild and it opens up screens or other plays. Seems like we run the same plays with him every week but a team hasn't been able to stop them yet. He's a bit small however to be great in normal WR duty. Kenny Britt seems to have had a bit of a revival in St Louis and is probably our best mid-range WR. Steadman Bailey and Chris Givens have also been playing well and are the guys most likely to get the long range passes. The OL has a lot invested into it with mixed results. Our rookie OT Greg Robinson will be at LT and has played well, with former first rounder Roger Saffold next to him at guard. Chris Wells is at center, former pro bowler from Green Bay but not quite the player he was with the Packers. The right side isn't as good, although they haven't played badly it's where teams attack now after Jake Long got injured. His backup has played decently, but the right guard is weak. QB has been a mess. Bradford got injured as you all know. Then Shaun Hill got injured and we started our third stringer, undrafted second year man Austin Davis, who had some success and won the job until he started to suck and the job was given back to Hill. Hill has been effective, he doesn't make mistakes and is talented enough to make good midrange throws and is smart. However he lacks the arm strength for some of the throws and doesn't throw the best looking ball (his passes can wobble at times and aren't bullets). TE has been pretty average except for Jared Cook who is a bit of a weapon as a pass catcher. Generally the TEs have been reduced to blocking duty though. Defense: Defense is great. Chris Long was out for about 8 weeks, but came back last week against the Raiders and doesn't seem to have missed a beat. Robert Quinn is a beast. Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers are the DTs, both are first rounders and are playing extremely well. Donald should be the DROY, he's outstanding in run blocking and has 6 sacks on the season so far, Pro Football Focus has him ranked as the top overall rookie on offense and defense. It doesn't get much easier behind them with Lauriniatis and Olgetree at LBer. Lauriniatis isn't the best athlete on paper but is indispensable at MLB, he is the brains of the defense and it's kind of amusing to watch him in the backfield just before snaps, rushing around and directing the defense. The weakest spot of the front 7 is ROLB, Jo-Lann Dunbar, but he's an average player and it's hard to make him look too bad with all the players he has surrounding him. The secondary is very young. Most came from our 2012 or 2013 draft. But they play well. Janoris Jenkins is by far the most talented. He's had two pick 6's this year and 8 for his career. He's aggressive and obviously sometimes that will hurt him. If there's a big 80 yard play by your WRs, chances are it will come off Jenkins going for an interception. Our secondary hits very hard and are aggressive Special teams The Rams special teams have been great. Jeff Fisher loves trick plays and has used them to a lot of success this year (our punter/holder has two touchdown passes and three completions so far). We have a very good kicker and punter. Coverage is usually very good on kicks. Tavon Austin is a weapon as a returner. He doesn't do kickoff returns though and that's pretty average. Sorry it was so long. Thanks to anyone who read it. Any thoughts on where the Redskins will match up well against the Rams? Who should the Rams be worried about as a potential threat on offense or defense? Who should be worried about as a threat for a home run type play? How confident do you feel about Colt McCoy? Is he really a threat to RG3 to take over for the future? Or is he just a throwaway QB who will be replaced by next season or put back to the 2nd/3rd string? Is he a threat for turnovers? I don't know a whole lot about the Redskins this year. Seems like in the past when we've faced each other I've ended up getting some of your games on TV but haven't seen any this year so far. I've heard about the RG3 stuff, is there really a chance he could be traded away? How confident are you guys in Gruden being your coach of the future and has he been an upgrade from Shannahan? (too early to tell maybe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Welcome! Your offense sounds a lot like ours in that you have a back-up QB, a useless right-side of the line, and a few weapons at your skill positions. Here is a quick overview on who I think has the advantage at each position. OL: RAMS -- Our Trent Williams (our LT) is the only guy I'd take right now over your rookie. All of the rest of your players are better than ours and it's not even close. RB: SKINS -- Tre Mason will be a beast one day but right now I would take our #1 Morris and #2 Helu Jr. over any of your guys. TE: TIE -- Very Close. Cook/Kendricks are bigger/better blockers while Jordan Reed/Niles Paul are basically just large WRs who occasionally block. Depending on each team's gameplan, one group of TE's may have a bigger impact than the other on Sunday. WR: SKINS --- No question here. Our #3 (Andre Roberts) would probably be your #1. QB: TIE -- Shaun + Colt = Two career back-ups who will show promise but ultimately disappoint. I give the slight edge to Colt in this game but not enough to call it an "advantage". DL: RAMS --- Hatcher and Coefield can cause some ruckus but get very little help. Overall our DL is average at best. Your guys are younger, stronger, and faster than us. LB: SKINS - Slight advantage to the Skins just because Ryan Kerrigan is our best player on defense and Keenan Robinson (2nd year guy filling in for the retired London Fletcher) is one of the most physically gifted LBs in the league right now. Our Pro-Bowl "franchise" LB Brian Orakpo (who was playing like **** before going on IR) has been replaced by our early 2nd Round pick Trent Murphy who looks like more like a late 3rd rounder who occasionally flashes talent. Perry Riley Jr gets the job done in the middle but will get torched in coverage. DB: RAMS - Our corners are young and physical like yours, but don't have much experience-- and our safeties are a complete joke. ST: RAMS - Tress Way is probably the best punter in the league right now, but the rest of our ST unit looks like a slightly better version of last years.... Which was historically the worst in franchise history! So, yeah! *LDLU'S Statistical Positional Advantage Nerd Rankings = +2 RAMS Now, on to the only stat that really matters: Redskins Fans Worldwide: Around 30 million. Rams Fans Worldwide: Literally dozens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Sorry it was so long. Thanks to anyone who read it. Any thoughts on where the Redskins will match up well against the Rams? Who should the Rams be worried about as a potential threat on offense or defense? Who should be worried about as a threat for a home run type play? Our cheerleaders can beat the crap outta yours. And they don't have crabs. Thats all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Jim Haslett will do everything he can to help you win. Look for wide open receivers all afternoon. Gruden is a moron, so expect a plethora of unimaginative play calls and passes. Alfred Morris isn't a threat because doofus refuses to run the ball. Congratulations on your sixth win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 We remember you. You've always been classy here. Looks like you guys are on the rise and we're in our annual end of season collapse. Should be a fun game for you, that defense is downright scary right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rams will beat the skins 35-0 and force Snyder to hand over next years 1st rnd pick before leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The Rams have the best defensive line in the NFL for me. Deep and wide. I predict 5 or 6 sacks easily. Especially if Gruden doesn't run the ball consistently early on and if DJax doesn't play... oye. Our offensive line, especially the interior, is not very good. Our defense is like a rubics cube that's only one color. Once you unlock it it's yours for the day. So enjoy it. We do a decent enough job against the run, but I'm not sure it's a case of our run d being decent or our pass d being easy to exploit. I'd be curious to see if you notice any alignment changes in your WR/TEs this week. Especially on the left side. The two glaring weaknesses in our secondary is the seam and the left side. A lot of teams have had success running wheel routes against cover 3 and 2 over man on the left side. Communication between Amerson, Clark, and Murphy is attrocious... Beware Tress Way. He might be the best punter in the league. Other than that... ya'll should walk through Fed Ex pretty easy. Question, though... are ya'll keeping Sam Bradford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Our o-line is in for a real long afternoon Sunday. McCoy had better wear extra pads Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldysknzfn1 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 This one will probably be nasty for us. Colt will think the QB position is to be played horizontally after this game(LOL). You guys should have fun w/this and we shall be US...suckfest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Thank you for the draft position, but please don't embarrass us like you did to the west coast redskins. Love seeing all the "first round picks" mentioned in your post. Were ours used completely along the lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Your defensive line scares me. It's among the tops in the league, right along with Buffalo. Although I'd say the Rams may have a more talented defensive line. It's scary good. The Skins offensive line better pull a horseshoe out of their butt Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Jim Haslett will do everything he can to help you win. Look for wide open receivers all afternoon. Gruden is a moron, so expect a plethora of unimaginative play calls and passes. Alfred Morris isn't a threat because doofus refuses to run the ball. Congratulations on your sixth win. I actually think he runs it to Morris too much. Very predictable on early downs. Alfred hasn't had a good year. Part of the reason we face third and long so often is because Morris is getting much done when he gets the ball on first and second down. I would actually like to see us come out throwing more on early downs. It's always weird to me... The RB gets tons of credit when he's killing it, but the blame always goes to the OL when he struggles. I would not put Morris in the top half of starting NFL running backs right now. He's been a disappointment. As for the Rams--- I also like their team overall and don't disagre with the assessment from the OP. However, that team gets a ton of love as does Jeff Fisher for being a team "on the rise." But at some point don't you need to rise out of last place in your division before you get TOO much credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You got our former stud DC Gregg Williams, and we got your gawdawful DC Haslett. Any questions? Congrats on the blowout - and I don't mean the Raiduhs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Amazing. Give 4 high extra picks and a new HC a couple years and they become a good team, in a great division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Just beat us, have a little mercy but beat us, then lose to the Giants just to be sure they're behind us in the draft order. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I actually think he runs it to Morris too much. Very predictable on early downs. Alfred hasn't had a good year. Part of the reason we face third and long so often is because Morris is getting much done when he gets the ball on first and second down. I would actually like to see us come out throwing more on early downs. It's always weird to me... The RB gets tons of credit when he's killing it, but the blame always goes to the OL when he struggles. I would not put Morris in the top half of starting NFL running backs right now. He's been a disappointment. Sorry ramsfan09, but this will be a temporary thread hijack: Morris, Alfred (2014) GP - 12 Rush - 210 Yards - 893 Avg - 4.3 TD - 7 Average Carries per game 17.5 Now let's see the mess he has to work with for an offensive line. Shawn Lavaou (sp.) is awful, Chirs Chester is awful, and our right tackle is like a matador. In Morris' last three games, he's averaging 5.39 yards per carry – and 3.17 yards after contact (league average in this span: 1.89). This is according to ESPN Stats and Information. www.espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/ Plus we have no running threat from the QB position anymore. Besides DeSean Jackson, Alfred Morris is the best player we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 the Rams' defense is very much legit and strong through all levels, line, linebackers and dbs. Why do I feel like we played a very large part in making them so good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You are catching the Redskins and especially their fans at a low point. ES is about as dispirited as I've seen it in ten years (and with decent reason). The Rams should be favored I'd imagine though I don't know if that's true from a talent standpoint. Our o-line has been an abyss for the past few years so that is obviously an exception. For some reason, RGIII fell off a cliff after the bye. I suspect that is a combo of injuries, bad line play, RGIII's head. I suspect his failure is the biggest part of the hopelessness around here, but the defensive and offensive play has been overall pretty putrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Amazing. Give 4 high extra picks and a new HC a couple years and they become a good team, in a great division. And they don't even have their 1st round QB playing. Good thing they didnt trade away 1/2 a decade to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 For some reason, RGIII fell off a cliff after the bye. I suspect that is a combo of injuries, bad line play, RGIII's head. The only difference between before and after the bye is that he completed a couple deep passes to Jackson before. Still looked like John Beck the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoah Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 All you have to do is throw into the cushion that our CBs provide for you. Don't worry, the skins will make your QB look like a pro-bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l7986 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 If its 3rd and 1 just call a quick pass since the corners will be giving your receivers a 10 yard cushion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsfan09 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Welcome! Your offense sounds a lot like ours in that you have a back-up QB, a useless right-side of the line, and a few weapons at your skill positions. Here is a quick overview on who I think has the advantage at each position. OL: RAMS -- Our Trent Williams (our LT) is the only guy I'd take right now over your rookie. All of the rest of your players are better than ours and it's not even close. RB: SKINS -- Tre Mason will be a beast one day but right now I would take our #1 Morris and #2 Helu Jr. over any of your guys. TE: TIE -- Very Close. Cook/Kendricks are bigger/better blockers while Jordan Reed/Niles Paul are basically just large WRs who occasionally block. Depending on each team's gameplan, one group of TE's may have a bigger impact than the other on Sunday. WR: SKINS --- No question here. Our #3 (Andre Roberts) would probably be your #1. QB: TIE -- Shaun + Colt = Two career back-ups who will show promise but ultimately disappoint. I give the slight edge to Colt in this game but not enough to call it an "advantage". DL: RAMS --- Hatcher and Coefield can cause some ruckus but get very little help. Overall our DL is average at best. Your guys are younger, stronger, and faster than us. LB: SKINS - Slight advantage to the Skins just because Ryan Kerrigan is our best player on defense and Keenan Robinson (2nd year guy filling in for the retired London Fletcher) is one of the most physically gifted LBs in the league right now. Our Pro-Bowl "franchise" LB Brian Orakpo (who was playing like **** before going on IR) has been replaced by our early 2nd Round pick Trent Murphy who looks like more like a late 3rd rounder who occasionally flashes talent. Perry Riley Jr gets the job done in the middle but will get torched in coverage. DB: RAMS - Our corners are young and physical like yours, but don't have much experience-- and our safeties are a complete joke. ST: RAMS - Tress Way is probably the best punter in the league right now, but the rest of our ST unit looks like a slightly better version of last years.... Which was historically the worst in franchise history! So, yeah! *LDLU'S Statistical Positional Advantage Nerd Rankings = +2 RAMS Now, on to the only stat that really matters: Redskins Fans Worldwide: Around 30 million. Rams Fans Worldwide: Literally dozens. Thanks for the assessment. I only disagree a little on two things. Although I'd take Hill over McCoy right now. McCoy has a lot more raw talent, but Hill is 34 years old with a lot of experience and proven himself to be a pretty good backup QB. I agree on your WR corps over ours, but I don't think Andre Roberts bests them all. And com'n, we have more then dozens of fans! I know dozens and I don't think I know the entire fan base! We remember you. You've always been classy here. Looks like you guys are on the rise and we're in our annual end of season collapse. Should be a fun game for you, that defense is downright scary right now. Thanks! I love to discuss football and you guys have always been cool here as well. I think we're on the rise too, at least I hope so... I think we've earned a winning season as fans The Rams have the best defensive line in the NFL for me. Deep and wide. I predict 5 or 6 sacks easily. Especially if Gruden doesn't run the ball consistently early on and if DJax doesn't play... oye. Our offensive line, especially the interior, is not very good. Our defense is like a rubics cube that's only one color. Once you unlock it it's yours for the day. So enjoy it. We do a decent enough job against the run, but I'm not sure it's a case of our run d being decent or our pass d being easy to exploit. I'd be curious to see if you notice any alignment changes in your WR/TEs this week. Especially on the left side. The two glaring weaknesses in our secondary is the seam and the left side. A lot of teams have had success running wheel routes against cover 3 and 2 over man on the left side. Communication between Amerson, Clark, and Murphy is attrocious... Beware Tress Way. He might be the best punter in the league. Other than that... ya'll should walk through Fed Ex pretty easy. Question, though... are ya'll keeping Sam Bradford? The Rams have a really good pass rush inside, Aaron Donald has 6 sacks right now and Williams loves to bring pressure up the middle and bring on DE's around through the middle on stunts since they're very quick, so a weak interior line probably isn't the greatest thing against our DL. I think it'd probably be pretty easy to see if the Rams exploit the weaknesses you talk about. They love to run quick/short passes and screens, they feasted on it against Oakland. Despite what you may think with the score our passing game involved mostly short stuff and we also had a ton of success with the run and that has been the plan with Hill at QB. We also only have one WR who goes across the middle (and has the side/speed to do it) in Kenny Britt. So if the Rams start throwing down the middle or further down the left sideline it's probably an adjustment to something they saw. With Bradford, a week ago I'd have said we were getting rid of him. But actually this week on local radio, Fisher said something about looking forward to having Bradford back. Generally Fisher doesn't seem to be a guy who plays mind games so I tend to believe him, but I wouldn't be surprised if something changed. If they bring him back I think they'll get another QB behind him from the draft. Thank you for the draft position, but please don't embarrass us like you did to the west coast redskins. Love seeing all the "first round picks" mentioned in your post. Were ours used completely along the lines? This was the final haul for the Rams in the trade (we made additional trades with your picks, these weren't all originally from the Redskins) DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, G Rokevious Watkins, LB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacy, OT Greg Robinson Brockers, Robinson and Ogletree were the first rounders, so only two were used on the lines. Jenkins and Pead were the second round picks. If it makes you feel any better, Pead was a total disaster who took like 30 snaps for us, sucked, tore his ACL then was cut. Your defensive line scares me. It's among the tops in the league, right along with Buffalo. Although I'd say the Rams may have a more talented defensive line. It's scary good. The Skins offensive line better pull a horseshoe out of their butt Sunday. The DL is ridiculous. Although it should be considering they're all first rounders. They are fun to watch. They're all high talent and also high motor guys I actually think he runs it to Morris too much. Very predictable on early downs. Alfred hasn't had a good year. Part of the reason we face third and long so often is because Morris is getting much done when he gets the ball on first and second down. I would actually like to see us come out throwing more on early downs. It's always weird to me... The RB gets tons of credit when he's killing it, but the blame always goes to the OL when he struggles. I would not put Morris in the top half of starting NFL running backs right now. He's been a disappointment. As for the Rams--- I also like their team overall and don't disagre with the assessment from the OP. However, that team gets a ton of love as does Jeff Fisher for being a team "on the rise." But at some point don't you need to rise out of last place in your division before you get TOO much credit? Yeah I agree. I think the Rams would have had a shot at it this year, kind of hurts things though when your third string QB starts six games for you though. There are a few games we should have won too, although I guess most teams can say that. It's kind of why I'm on the fence about Bradford next year. If it could be guaranteed he stays healthy I think most of the fans and everyone in the organization would agree with keeping him... but obviously that's not guarantee. Like I said above, at this point I think we'll draft a QB and keep Bradford as the most likely scenario. You got our former stud DC Gregg Williams, and we got your gawdawful DC Haslett. Any questions? Congrats on the blowout - and I don't mean the Raiduhs. Oh man, I feel bad you guys had Haslett, I forgot about that. When Steve Spagnuolo was fired there were some Rams fans who wanted to keep him as head coach (he was interim) and I think they even interviewed him. THANK GOD that did not happen. That huge cushion he loves for DBs to give to WRs is infuriating. And he's got this reputation/lore as someone who draws up great blitzes and is aggressive..... but at least with the Rams he had really soft players and seemed like he rarely bought the house. I don't even remember Williams being with the Redskins, was it as a DC or? I really like him and he really takes advantage of the wealth of talent in our front 7.... The plays he draws up and how he calls the game is really aggressive, his players also play in an aggressive fashion too. It's nice to see after getting these guys with supposedly aggressive tendencies who didn't really have them (Haslett - Spagnuolo) or having offensive head coaches who didn't care about the defense (Scott Linehan - Mike Martz) and hired cold fish to run the D. You are catching the Redskins and especially their fans at a low point. ES is about as dispirited as I've seen it in ten years (and with decent reason). The Rams should be favored I'd imagine though I don't know if that's true from a talent standpoint. Our o-line has been an abyss for the past few years so that is obviously an exception. For some reason, RGIII fell off a cliff after the bye. I suspect that is a combo of injuries, bad line play, RGIII's head. I suspect his failure is the biggest part of the hopelessness around here, but the defensive and offensive play has been overall pretty putrid. Yeah, I think this is the lowest I've seen you guys since I started coming here in 09. I am certain it's the first time most of you expected you guys to lose to us. But if there's a fan base out there who understands your pain, it's Rams fans. The past decade for us started with a sharp downhill trend, the basement of the NFL for 4-5 years, then finally some light at the end of the tunnel now. If its 3rd and 1 just call a quick pass since the corners will be giving your receivers a 10 yard cushion. That's a Jim Haslett specialty! 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Koolblue13 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Now we get to see what a starting OT,DE,CB and RB can do for a team with no QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The Rams have a really good pass rush inside, Aaron Donald has 6 sacks right now and Williams loves to bring pressure up the middle and bring on DE's around through the middle on stunts since they're very quick, so a weak interior line probably isn't the greatest thing against our DL. That's a Jim Haslett specialty! The best response to these nuggets, it appears that both groups of fans are very familiar with GgW and Haz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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