PeterMP Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I always thought Jansen was under rated during his career, and it seems to just continuing. For example, I always thought that Jansen more than held his own against Strahan, and most people at least don't doubt that he's a HoF player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Otis Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I like your list but here's one I disagree with - Jim Lachey was more than a very good tackle he was elite. He was a better LT than Joe Jacoby who was moved to RT when we traded with the Raiders for Lachey. Now Joe was getting long in the tooth by that stage but even in his prime Lachey was better - and that's not to slight Jacoby was WAS a Hall of Fame player. Injury and the shortening of his career is the only thing which will keep Lachey out of the Hall. Thanks a lot Martin (I was wondering when the Dean would check in). I'm flattered that you didn't laugh at it. I remember that trade, yet I forgot that we moved the old war horse to the opposite side for the thoroughbred. Didn't Lachey have like a sackless season one year & give up 1&1/2 sacks the next? I remember it was something incredible like that. Point taken though. In my defense, I figured his lack of longevity would hurt his chances at Canton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 A lot of. 'skins nominees this year, not just at offensive line. Rich Gannon Gary Clark Stephen Davis Jeff Bostic Joe Jacoby Jon Jansen Chris Samuels Mark Schlereth Dexter Manley Charles Mann Ken Harvey Shawn Springs Brian Mitchell Richie Petitbon Marty Schottenheimer Of those I think the most deserving are: 1. Joe Jacoby 2. Brian Mitchell (check the record books) 3. Jeff Bostic (it would be nice if we could enshrine the hogs as a unit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 hey, we got an OL that can go in LT Chris Samuels LG Joe Jacoby C Jeff Bostic RG Mark Schlereth RT Jon Jansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I dislike calling someone a 'skin or a 'skins nomination if they played one year here or made their career elsewhere. To me, Deion Sanders was never a 'skin nor was Jeff George. They were car rentals. Likewise, Rich Gannon ain't a 'skins nominee. He played here for a minute, but the reason he's being considered though his career really doesn't warrant it was because of the small flash of good play he had at the end with the Raiders. I can dig Ken Harvey being labeled a 'skin. He played a long stretch with us and a long stretch with the Cardinals, but he ended his career here and he's stayed with the Redskin community. I also think he isn't HOF worthy, but that's a different question. Conversely, I don't think that the Jets counted Art Monk as one of their own. He is a Redskin. Period. Anywho, that's my "get off my lawn" rant for the morning. Edit: Careth, if only we could plug that line in today. I'd swap each and every one, but if Bostic was undersized in the 80's, boy would he have trouble today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Point taken Burgold. The thought that Schottenheimer and Gannon aren't really Redskins had occurred to me, and I don't disagree. (We should have kept both of them around longer though).But then what to do with middling cases like Stephen Davis and Ken Harvey? Figuring out what fits in the category of "former Redskin" is a somewhat tricky business if the definition is "considered so by the fans." Does this include all the fans or only some of them?Rather than try to draw that line I just went with more obvious criteria and listed anybody who has put on our uniform.Anyway I hope to see BMirch and Jacoby listed among the finalists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 ... in case you ever need to be reminded about why the early 80's Redskins were one of if not the best team in the NFL ... I think this ought to be a teaching moment for the current Redskins front office ... build the line first and build it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I just want to echo the thought that Jacoby should be in already. He should have been in well before Grimm, frankly. The other one I would champion would be Clark. In particular, the Peter King argument against Monk should be used to help Clark. They kept Monk out fro so many years because they claimed it was Clark who was the one opponents feared on those teams, and that he drew coverage which made it easy for Monk to get all those catches. Well, if Clark was drawing so much coverage away it made it easy for Monk to get the career record, while still being able to catch 700 balls himself (with his NFL career being two years shorter due to USFL time).. how the hell is that NOT a Hall of Famer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 For the record, I'm convinced that this thread is the first time I ever heard Kent Hull's name, and I do not believe for a moment he ever played in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I just want to echo the thought that Jacoby should be in already. He should have been in well before Grimm, frankly. The other one I would champion would be Clark. In particular, the Peter King argument against Monk should be used to help Clark. They kept Monk out fro so many years because they claimed it was Clark who was the one opponents feared on those teams, and that he drew coverage which made it easy for Monk to get all those catches. Well, if Clark was drawing so much coverage away it made it easy for Monk to get the career record, while still being able to catch 700 balls himself (with his NFL career being two years shorter due to USFL time).. how the hell is that NOT a Hall of Famer? Concur. Secondaries trembled at the thought of covering Monk AND Clark and the other good WRs on that team. Who were they? Jacoby + Clark = HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 For the record, I'm convinced that this thread is the first time I ever heard Kent Hull's name, and I do not believe for a moment he ever played in the NFL. you didn't watch the Skins last Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Jon Jansen was a beast in his early playing days but not so much later on after his injuries. .I can remember bill parcels saying how Jansen didnt look like the same player anymore... did he have a hall of fame type of nfl career. ..no I dont think so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 you didn't watch the Skins last Super Bowl? Yes, but I don't remember the freaking name of the center on the Bills. Also, that was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Skins have more players in the HoF that played or coached for them, than any other team in the league, besides the Bears (30) and Giants (29). The Skins have 28 Packers have 27, Cowboys 21, Eagles 20, Steelers 25, 49ers 22, Rams 26. The teams with the least are the Saints (7), Broncos and Pats (6), Bucs and Falcons with 5, Ravens 4, Bengals 2, Panthers 1, Houston and Jacksonville (0). Now THAT is insane. Well, the Saints will get 1 more in a few yeas for sure in Brees. I personally think Andre Johnson is going to make a strong case, so Houston will get off the schnide. Things do not look so good for Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I just want to echo the thought that Jacoby should be in already. He should have been in well before Grimm, frankly. The other one I would champion would be Clark. In particular, the Peter King argument against Monk should be used to help Clark. They kept Monk out fro so many years because they claimed it was Clark who was the one opponents feared on those teams, and that he drew coverage which made it easy for Monk to get all those catches. I wonder whether the fact that Grimm stayed with the game after his playing days while Jacoby just left the game totally helped Grimm's chances and hurt Joe's. And good point on Clark. His numbers pale in comparison to the inflated numbers being put up nowadays, but if Peter King had an ounce of integrity he would be championing Clark's case before the selection committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Concur. Secondaries trembled at the thought of covering Monk AND Clark and the other good WRs on that team. Who were they? Jacoby + Clark = HOF Where's Ricky Sanders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I just want to echo the thought that Jacoby should be in already. He should have been in well before Grimm, frankly. The other one I would champion would be Clark. In particular, the Peter King argument against Monk should be used to help Clark. They kept Monk out fro so many years because they claimed it was Clark who was the one opponents feared on those teams, and that he drew coverage which made it easy for Monk to get all those catches. Well, if Clark was drawing so much coverage away it made it easy for Monk to get the career record, while still being able to catch 700 balls himself (with his NFL career being two years shorter due to USFL time).. how the hell is that NOT a Hall of Famer? Agree. Jacoby is the only other Hog besides Bostic to start all four of our SBs. Clark has just as good of stats as Irvin in one less season in the NFL and as you said, he lost two years in the USFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes, but I don't remember the freaking name of the center on the Bills. Also, that was a joke. I figured it was a joke somewhere. But I wasn't sure how much of one or what part. A comment on his name? A comment on how well known he was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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