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how do you stop a man with a shotgun from killing at least one person if he wants to?

Time machine?

Maybe.... Reduce the glorification of violence. Stop defining heroism and bravery almost exclusively by professions that require weaponry. Stop accepting that shooting someone, for any reason, is a heroic act and define it as a tragedy anytime anyone is killed for any reason. Stop rating violence as pg-13 and in doing so saying that it's ok for children. Have churches, that speak so frequently on sexual sin, start passionately condemning violence, violent thoughts, anger of any kind, and the very concept of people being rightfully angry. Reject anger. Reject the concept of emotion controlling our thoughts, teach and expect the mastery of ones own emotions. Stop expecting outrage as the reaction to everything that we find wrong in the world, it's essentially anger we agree with and doesn't lead to rational discourse and solutions. Refuse to accept fear as a reason to do virtually everything in politics and life. Refuse to support those that seek to use fear for their own benefit.

Essentially accept that our culture is entirely infested with anger, fear, and violence. No group is free of it, from children to the elderly everyone is scared and mad and willing to accept violent solutions.

But we all know that's no going to happen. We're going to find something to get mad at. We'll argue that failure to act will result in blood and death. If we scare enough people, and stay mad enough to keep fighting, we're sure to build a better world.

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None. And if they do, charge them with murder.

 

 

Do you want to start a Civil War?  Do you think gun owners across this country will just hand over their weapons?

 

The biggest question of all is...do you really want to live in a country where the populace is not armed at all?  There is a reason why dictators disarm the population.  To make slaves of them.  Do you not believe this could happen here?

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None. And if they do, charge them with murder.

 

None does not seem very realistic, we can charge them for murder if they shoot someone now...it does change the dead's future

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You may not have an agenda, but, why does it have to be a 'church' thing? I'm a sold out follower of Christ myself but why does it sound like you're possibly blaming churches?

*oops, quote fail. This is in response to Destino's post*

Not blaming churches at all. Not blaming anyone, this is a cultural problem. I mention them because of their ability to reach so many and define anger and violence as moral problems.
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The cold hard truth of the matter is we cannot stop these things from happening.  The animal is out of the cage, and he isn't going back in.  

 

Destino is 100% correct.  This is a cultural problem, and no amount of gun legislation short of a draconian door to door confiscation of all firearms (which will NEVER happen, and would result in more blood shed that could possibly be imagined) is going to stop these shootings.

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More guns!

Less guns!

Mental instability!

The Second Amendment!

Video games!

****ing hell, I'm tired of talking about this. Though I hate the killers themselves, I hate the people and organizations that prevent real changes from being made just as much.

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Time machine?

Maybe.... Reduce the glorification of violence. Stop defining heroism and bravery almost exclusively by professions that require weaponry. Stop accepting that shooting someone, for any reason, is a heroic act and define it as a tragedy anytime anyone is killed for any reason. Stop rating violence as pg-13 and in doing so saying that it's ok for children. Have churches, that speak so frequently on sexual sin, start passionately condemning violence, violent thoughts, anger of any kind, and the very concept of people being rightfully angry. Reject anger. Reject the concept of emotion controlling our thoughts, teach and expect the mastery of ones own emotions. Stop expecting outrage as the reaction to everything that we find wrong in the world, it's essentially anger we agree with and doesn't lead to rational discourse and solutions. Refuse to accept fear as a reason to do virtually everything in politics and life. Refuse to support those that seek to use fear for their own benefit.

Essentially accept that our culture is entirely infested with anger, fear, and violence. No group is free of it, from children to the elderly everyone is scared and mad and willing to accept violent solutions.

But we all know that's no going to happen. We're going to find something to get mad at. We'll argue that failure to act will result in blood and death. If we scare enough people, and stay mad enough to keep fighting, we're sure to build a better world.

I pretty much agree with this. Have to deal with the disease, not the symptoms, or we'll never cure it, just manage the pain.

Confiscate the gun before hand.

Because that sort of thing seems to work just fine. Just ask Raum Emmanuel how well it works. There was a mass shooting earlier this week in Chicago. Thank God nobody died.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/chicago-laundromat-shooting_n_5435338.html

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The cold hard truth of the matter is we cannot stop these things from happening.  The animal is out of the cage, and he isn't going back in.  

 

Destino is 100% correct.  This is a cultural problem, and no amount of gun legislation short of a draconian door to door confiscation of all firearms (which will NEVER happen, and would result in more blood shed that could possibly be imagined) is going to stop these shootings.

I don't know... seems we've tried just about everything except gun legislation since these mass shootings really started taking off.  We tried being aghast.  We tried blaming video games and movies.  We tried blaming teachers for being unarmed.  We tried blaming the victims who were shot for being unarmed.  We tried blaming mental health issues, but not the fact that all these people with serious mental health issues had an easy, practically unrestricted legal path to getting armed.  Several states have loosened gun regulations.  We tried blaming the messenger (it's the media's fault for glamorizing the shooters)

 

Maybe if we do nothing differently other than blame people and cast these as inevitable and unstoppable that will finally work this time after so many failures. 

 

Yeah, I know.  Guns don't kill people and so mass shootings have nothing to do with guns.  That seems to be the winning strategy.  Working so well this year... already at least 112 mass shootings in 2014 and barely half-way into the year.

 

Oh, and the NRA's most recent strategy to help... they want journalists to stop calling shooters shooters.

 

http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/06/03/nra-says-calling-shooters-shooters-media-propaganda

 

http://thenewyorkcrank.blogspot.com/2014/06/suddenly-nra-goes-all-politically.html

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Do you want to start a Civil War?  Do you think gun owners across this country will just hand over their weapons?

 

The biggest question of all is...do you really want to live in a country where the populace is not armed at all?  There is a reason why dictators disarm the population.  To make slaves of them.  Do you not believe this could happen here?

 

This is basically the UK, they aren't slaves. 

 

In 1791, a well regulated militia would have had similar levels of gun/weapon technology as their potential dictators. Today, all of the shotguns in Alabama would not save you if the president became a dictator. 

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The cold hard truth of the matter is we cannot stop these things from happening.  The animal is out of the cage, and he isn't going back in.  

 

Destino is 100% correct.  This is a cultural problem, and no amount of gun legislation short of a draconian door to door confiscation of all firearms (which will NEVER happen, and would result in more blood shed that could possibly be imagined) is going to stop these shootings.

 

I don't think you need door to door confiscation, and I wouldn't support that.

 

An easy thing to do would to be massive limits on ammunition sales.  If you can't buy bullets, then you can't shoot people.

 

The other thing you do is if you put serious restrictions on new gun purchases/manufacturing, the prices of existing legal guns go way up.

 

We'll see when this guy actually bought his gun, but if he bought it in the last year, if you would very tightly restricted gun and ammunition sales, 5 years ago, I think there is a good chance this wouldn't have happened.

 

And in 5 years, the chance is even more smaller.

 

Yes, if you do something today w/o mass confiscation, it doesn't change anything for tomorrow, but every year, the chances go down.

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Jon Stewart had the best idea. Change the verbiage in the news coverage from "shot" to "s**t his pants." Last night's story would've been read "John **** his pants 4 times on campus, killing one student and sending 3 others to the hospital."

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Do you want to start a Civil War?  Do you think gun owners across this country will just hand over their weapons?

 

The biggest question of all is...do you really want to live in a country where the populace is not armed at all?  There is a reason why dictators disarm the population.  To make slaves of them.  Do you not believe this could happen here?

 

lol, there will be no Civil War. No one will be willing to go toe to toe with the government.

 

Is England full of slaves? What about Australia? Germany? Sweden?

 

This is the modern world. The idea that if you take away people's guns that a dictator will rise up is simple drivel. You know what happens if they do? You fight an insurgency. Which means you simply isolate the dictator's forces, then take their guns. Boom, instant arms. But that day is a long way off and, quite frankly, it won't happen.

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