Riggo-toni Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 LT -Trent "King of tacky overpriced jewelry" Williams (um duh). LG Lavao (although I really wish LiRibeus rises to the occasion and beats him out.) C McGlynn RG Spencer Long RT Polumbus. Yes, he will beat out Moses until next year. Actually I don't think it will be Polumbus here either, but rather a FA on nobody's radar yet. Remember, Mark May was a 1st rounder drafted to play LT, but got outplayed by a UDFA named Jacoby and was moved inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I predict it will be little better than last season. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I predict it will be little better than last season. Hail. Offensive line wasn't horrible last season. The difference between 2012 and 2013 was RG3 holding the ball 2 seconds longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 OL Roster (from KDawg's Roster Thread): OFFENSIVE LINE (14): Center (1):61 Kevin KowalskiGuard/Center (1):78 Kory LichtensteigerGuard (7):66 Chris Chester73 Adam Gettis79 Maurice Hurt77 Shawn Lauvao67 Josh LeRibeu 62 Tevita Stevens 60 Spencer Long *ROOKIE*Tackle (5):71 Trent Williams74 Tyler Polumbus68 Tom Compton75 Mike McGlynn 76 Morgan Moses *ROOKIE* Pos 1st Team 2nd Team LT Trent Williams Tom Compton LG Shawn Lauvao Josh LeRibeus C Kory Lichtensteiger Mike McGlynn RG Adam Gettis Spencer Long RT Tyler Polumbus Morgan Moses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Trent, Lavao, McGlynn, Gettis, Polumbus. A much larger, more powerful interior and a quicker offense, led by a healthy QB. They'll excel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 What I expect to start the season: LT: Williams LG: lauvao C: kory RG: Chester RT: Polumbus I think Long replaced Chester in season. What I really hope happens. And this is based on hoping Moses, leribius and Long are good enough to win jobs, and mcglynn is good at C. LT: Williams LG: Luavao C: Long RG: Ribs RT: Moses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Offensive line wasn't horrible last season. The difference between 2012 and 2013 was RG3 holding the ball 2 seconds longer. Keep telling yourself it was the QB and not the scheme/ Coaches working against him/ piss poor line they built for him et all. But let's leave well enough alone on last year as that's in the past and has been done to death. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 LT: Williams- no explanation needed. LG: Lauvao- As much of a sure starter as Williams at this point. C: Lict- Not about to start the worst offensive linemen in the league. Mcglynn needs to be faaar away from this team. RG: Spenser Long- absolute perfect fit for this offense. RT: Polumbus- if he gives an effort similar to last year, he will be a high quality starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Offensive line wasn't horrible last season. The difference between 2012 and 2013 was RG3 holding the ball 2 seconds longer. I don't think you're going to convince him of this. The OL will look all-pro if Griffin releases the ball at the same rate Dalton did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't think you're going to convince him of this. The OL will look all-pro if Griffin releases the ball at the same rate Dalton did last year. Rg3 just needs to make faster reads and we will look way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I can't predict the starters without seeing two of these guys play at the NFL level, but I will be surprised if Gettis starts. I know he has been working hard, but that guy ate more pancakes than he handed out since he's been here in pass blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I can't predict the starters without seeing two of these guys play at the NFL level, but I will be surprised if Gettis starts. I know he has been working hard, but that guy ate more pancakes than he handed out since he's been here in pass blocking. Yeah. Josh and Adam are sadly looking more and more like another in a LONG line of waisted talent/ draft busts. Can't say I hold out too much more hope for this years line additions but God willing we get at least 1 surprise. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah. Josh and Adam are sadly looking more and more like another in a LONG line of waisted talent/ draft busts. Can't say I hold out too much more hope for this years line additions but God willing we get at least 1 surprise. Hail. The one difference I do notice is that MOST of what I hear on these two guys is positive. The leads are "this guy is huge and recovers well" or "this guy has heavy hands and he works very hard". The "buts" are also different. For Moses it's basically "he's good now, but he could be great. Is he willing to be great". That's a good problem to have. For Long it's "His ceiling isn't that high but he'll bust his butt for you and he can do a lot of what he needs to do right now." For Ribs and Gettis it was "level of competition" or "too big/too small/struggles with weight either way". And our favorite, "project". These are the littel things that I'm noticing when I listen to evaluations (not grades) of our picks. And for me that's a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonYoungEra Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 a LONG line of waisted talent Hail. Good one! The boys ARE a bit big in the hips, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Offensive line wasn't horrible last season. The difference between 2012 and 2013 was RG3 holding the ball 2 seconds longer. RGIII must continue to develop his pocket skills but apparently you failed to notice there was NO pocket. Our O line was 4 schmos and an all Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 RGIII must continue to develop his pocket skills but apparently you failed to notice there was NO pocket. Our O line was 4 schmos and an all Pro. Having gone back and watched the games again as well as looked at the advanced metrics, I would say that statement is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 The one difference I do notice is that MOST of what I hear on these two guys is positive. The leads are "this guy is huge and recovers well" or "this guy has heavy hands and he works very hard". The "buts" are also different. For Moses it's basically "he's good now, but he could be great. Is he willing to be great". That's a good problem to have. For Long it's "His ceiling isn't that high but he'll bust his butt for you and he can do a lot of what he needs to do right now." For Ribs and Gettis it was "level of competition" or "too big/too small/struggles with weight either way". And our favorite, "project". These are the littel things that I'm noticing when I listen to evaluations (not grades) of our picks. And for me that's a huge difference. I agree. I am basing my Gettis prediction off of TK saying that Forester loves Gettis. He could've meant it in a "I love lamp" kinda way. If neither Long nor Moses starts, Murphy plays backup, Breeland is depth, Bolser gets cut, Grant is the 4th/5th receiver, and Kai beats out Hockney...how is that supposed to make me feel? For me, this draft really hinges on Long and Moses. If we whiff on those two guys, it will be a major buzz kill. And I'm not sure if I saw the same games as some people. I thought our interior line play sucked last year. The A gap breakdowns were atrocious. That combined with Griff's injury was a recipe for 3-13. On that note, I think you have to have consistently good OL play for the QB to gain confidence. You can't just have him get smacked around five plays in a row and then on the sixth play say "he had plenty of time!". Consistent pressure gets in guy's heads. Last year, it certainly got in Griff's. That needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 LT LG C RG RT T. Williams . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rskin72 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Well, one thing for sure is that the Oline will have a few changes. I originally thought that 2 rookies may start on the right side of the line....but after reading Gruden's comments from rookie camp, have tamped down that thought. So...my guess is : TW, Lauvao, Licht, Long, Polumbus. I think Ribeye may have a chance to break into this group as well, based merely on what I have read on various forums about his approach to this season....maintaining his weight and conditioning in the off season...etc. And....while some of the issues on O last season were on Robert.....surely there were issues with the Oline specifically in pass protection. Robert was not the elusive QB in the pocket that he was in '12 thanks to the knee, so he was not able to avoid the rush similiar to '12. Also, did not help that any WR not wearing #88 was pretty much invisible.....and that does not even take into account ST and D disasters from last season. If the Oline was so great, then Gruden would not be shuffling it like a deck of cards.....where only TW is guarenteed a starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsInFebruary Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Having gone back and watched the games again as well as looked at the advanced metrics, I would say that statement is incorrect. My "advanced metrics" show our plays were immediately disrupted at the line way too often. Our plays need a chance to develop. But I agree RG3, until now, has never had to develop a good sense of the pass rush around him, and last year often held the ball too long as well, which definitely compounds the problem. I think we've improved the situation, but I'm worried it still isn't enough to allow RG3 the confidence he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Keep telling yourself it was the QB and not the scheme/ Coaches working against him/ piss poor line they built for him et all. But let's leave well enough alone on last year as that's in the past and has been done to death. Hail. Well, the coaches are gone, and so the thought is this group of coaches will work more with him. But, you're in complete and total denial if you don't think that QB play last year adversely affected the OL. And I'm not piling onto Robert. I think he did his absolute best under the circumstances, and I think this year he's going to be a pro-bowl caliber QB. Just like he was in 2012. But in 2012, the coaches were able to use Robert's athleticism to simplify the game for him. Last year, he wasn't healthy and had no off-season to speak of. And they couldn't use the same tricks in the second season, so he was asked to run a traditional offense, which he just couldn't do consistently without the benefit of an off-season. Which lead to him being inconsistent and uncomfortable all season. And that led to him holding onto the ball and missing reads. Which adversely affected the OL, which was not built to hold blocks for 3.5 seconds in a drop-back situation. So, what we are all hoping is that in Gruden's offense, RGIII releases the ball quickly and in rhythm. Dalton went to his first receiver often, because the scheme got that guy open plenty. And because he was able to go to the first read so often, only the Broncos (with Peyton Freaking Manning) had a lower snap to release average than the Bengals. If Gruden brings that same type of offense here, and RGIII is able to execute it effectively, the OL is going to look a whole heck of a lot better no matter what. Add to that some of the bigger guys up front, and they should be ok. The other thing that is going to help protection is that last year the 'Skins had no answer to the blitz. Morris and Helu weren't very good at picking it up, and RGIII and the receivers were not able to make defenses pay for blitzing. This year, with 5 legitimate weapons they can put on the field (D. Jackson, Garcon, Roberts, Reed and Morris), there is a good chance that just personnel will dissuade teams from blitzing as much, less a quick toss goes for 80 yards. There are a ton of questions, and honestly, most of them start with Gruden and then RGIII, and then the personnel on the OL. Nobody knows how this is going to turn out in 2014. But if Robert plays better, more consistently, and most importantly, "faster" in his snap-to-release, then the offense is going to hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 My "advanced metrics" show our plays were immediately disrupted at the line way too often. Our plays need a chance to develop. But I agree RG3, until now, has never had to develop a good sense of the pass rush around him, and last year often held the ball too long as well, which definitely compounds the problem. I think we've improved the situation, but I'm worried it still isn't enough to allow RG3 the confidence he needs. That is your opinion, but one you can't use as fact to discredit the starting line. His holding the ball last season was a direct effect of his knee being untested and him not being confident in it. I'm not going to claim our offensive line will be great, I'm just saying that guys like Polumbus and Kory playing up to 2013 standards wouldn't be as bad as many make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlldaySkins Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 What I think will be the case: LT - Williams, LG - Lavaou, C - Kory L., RG - Chester, RT - Moses I'm going with the hope that Moses does very well this summer and beats out Polumbus for the Right Tackle position. I think eventually during the season Spencer Long will supplant Chester as the Right Guard as well. Either way we should be improved from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darc Requiem Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 RG3 holding the ball did have some effect on the line, but Chester and Montgomery were getting killed up the middle last year. At least when pressure comes from the outside the QB can step up into the pocket. There was no pocket to step into last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Tough question Prediction: LT-Trent Williams LG-Lauvao C--Lichtensteiger RG-Chris Chester RT-Tyler Polumbus Long and Moses try to crack the line-up during the season My druthers... LT-Trent Williams LG-Lauvau C--Chris Chester RG-Morgan Moses RT-Tyler Polumbus Morgan moves to RT and Spencer takes over at RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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