ADF Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The Browns were 4 and 12 this year yet had 5 players named to the All Pro, much harder to get that distinction over the probowl. Dont think that the teams records play a part here all that much. Pretty sure this is because of the TD difference which upsets me. I want to watch the probowl to see Redskins players not other players teams who arent deserving of it like this. I am going to protest watching this because of this Andre Johnson and Pierre Garcon were completely similar numbers and Garcon was left off. The numbers dont lie here, no reason the top catching WR this year is left off a squad of 8 players. No excuse for that I really don't think the TDs were a major factor. It's the name. Larry Fitzgerald has a greater reputation than Pierre Garcon. If Garcon goes on to dominate the NFL from this point forward, then he'll get a pro bowl or two over someone more deserving in the future. That's the way it works. New stars get snubbed in the beginning but they'll get in based on name in the end. Heck, with the Super Bowl, injured, and uninterested players bowing out... I don't really know what a pro bowler is these days. Fourth and fifth alternates were playing in the game last year. Pretty soon, half the damn league will be a pro bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 It's a travesty of a sham of a mockery of a process that I don't really pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why do we still comment on the pro bowl selections (or replacements) as if they mean anything at all? Talk about getting worked up about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs44 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No player from a 3-13 team deserves to be in the pro bowl...just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No player from a 3-13 team deserves to be in the pro bowl...just saying The pro bowl is worthless, but this isn't a logical way of looking at it no matter how you feel about the game or selection process. It's a team game. There are great players on bad teams all over the league, and this is for the most part an individual accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Are people really upset about this? Wow. Thought by now that everyone knew the Pro Bowl voting was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Remember I think 2006? When Marion barber and all 800 of his rushing yards got in over CP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 how bout we pick up fitz, then they can battle it out for pro bowl together next year pretty much my only offseason wish is Fitzgerald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpredskins Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Garcon sucked for the first few games of the season. He more than redeemed himself, but if you're looking for some justice or a rationale for him not making it, you could point to that. (that's not the reason he was snubbed, but as skins fans we all saw it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Where in his post, or in the title of his thread, did he say that the Redskins didn't get enough players into the Pro Bowl? Pro Bowl nods are individual acknowledgements, not team acknowledgements. Please tell me you're not actually upset because a Redskins fan felt Garcon deserved more recognition for his season than he has received. As for the Skins going 3-13, go back and look at how many Pro Bowl players the 2-14 Chiefs had in 2012. Pro bowl nods are, ideally, recognition for individual players within a team game, not just statistical leaders. Garcon had an amazing season, but I can certainly make a case for Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is a premiere receiver who plays in a much, much tougher conference, faces double coverage almost every play, splits looks with a decent #2 receiver on his team, and saw many less prevent defenses. If you asked 30 defensive coordinators who strikes more fear into their game planning, 30 would say that it was Fitzgerald. And that's true this year. As for KC - they had 6 pro bowlers in 2012. One was the punter. They had only one offensive pro bowler - Jamaal Charles was a reserve. As for the four defensive players, it should be noted that KC had the 5th ranked defense against scoring in the NFL and was tied for first in the AFC. Those players had individual efforts that contributed to the TEAM having an outstanding defense. The Skins offense, sadly, is not good at scoring. They rank 23rd, yet still have two bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrison J Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I absolutely love Pierre but neutrals will want to watch Fitzgerald ahead of Garcon and thats just fact. When theres not a lot to choose from numbers wise they'll always go with the bigger name. Pierre's year is 2014 when he's on a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Rpredskins writes in post #34: "Garcon sucked for the first few games of the season." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He had 280 yards through 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Team record has nothing to do with it. Team reputation, maybe, but not team record. The Probowl is an individual popularity contest. Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best and most decorated receivers of this generation, and a household name. That gives him a massive leg up over the competition. We shouldn't take it too personally. Great players get passed over all the time. London Fletcher is a prime example of that. Lavonte David, TB linebacker, this year was top 10 in tackles AND interceptions, with a healthy 10 passes defended and 6 sacks, and he didn't make it. The truth is, ProBowl voters weigh TDs higher than anything else. Yards are secondary in importance, unless you rack up like 110 a game or something crazy. The real honor is to make the All-Pro team. Garcon probably won't make that either, but I'd be willing to bet that in the behind the scenes rankings for that, he comes in higher than Fitzgerald. The big thing for Garcon is that he's silenced most of the doubters. A lot of people didn't think he could be a 1,000 yard receiver, and he came out and showed them he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldysknzfn1 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's the Pro Bowl...Good for Larry Fitzgerald..I like him..awesome player...I don't even watch this charade of a game..waste of time IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Really not that big of a deal to get so riled up about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Rpredskins writes in post #34: "Garcon sucked for the first few games of the season." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He had 280 yards through 3 games. Yeah, that was a weird, inaccurate comment... Sept. 9 - Philly - 7 catches, 64 yards Sept. 15 - Green Bay - 8 catches, 143 yards, TD Sept. 22 - Detroit - 8 catches, 73 yards, 1 rush, 10 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The pro-bowl is, and always has been a complete joke. The AP All-Pro awards are much more valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs44 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The pro bowl is worthless, but this isn't a logical way of looking at it no matter how you feel about the game or selection process. It's a team game. There are great players on bad teams all over the league, and this is for the most part an individual accomplishment. Thats your opinion, and mine is mine. I just dont see how you can justify, never mind actually saying he deserves it over such and such. I dont think anyone from the 2013 team even remotely deserves to be a Pro Bowler. No one on this team did much to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thats your opinion, and mine is mine. I just dont see how you can justify, never mind actually saying he deserves it over such and such. I dont think anyone from the 2013 team even remotely deserves to be a Pro Bowler. No one on this team did much to speak of. Cavin Johnson has been on terrible teams his entire career, is he a "pro bowl" level player, whatever that means? Bad teams have good players, and when those players put up good statistical years, sometimes they get pro bowl nods. Sometimes not. I'm not getting bent out of shape over it either way, the pro bowl is a joke. I'm just pointing out that you seem to have a strange way of looking at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpredskins Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Rpredskins writes in post #34: "Garcon sucked for the first few games of the season." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He had 280 yards through 3 games. I was thinking of the 4 games after that then. Even in those first 3, he had several bad drops. And for a little stretch he couldn't get open against anybody. The Dallas game in particular comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 http://es.redskins.com/topic/376502-csn-larry-fitzgerald-not-pierre-gar%C3%A7on-gets-pro-bowl-nod/ Not sure anyone else saw this but when the Broncos made it to the Superbowl the NFL announced that Larry Fitzgerald got the nod to replace Demaryius Thomas in the game over Pierre Garcon. This upsets me and thought a topic should be started on it. The Redskins receiver hauled in 113 catches, a new record for the franchise, for 1,346 yards and five touchdowns. Fitzgerald caught 82 passes for 954 yards, and did catch 10 touchdowns. Garcon led the NFL with the most catches on the season and still can't get in the game. The receivers in the probowl Antonio Brown, Steelers Dez Bryant, Cowboys Josh Gordon, Browns A.J. Green, Bengals Andre Johnson, Texans Selected but won't play instead DeSean Jackson, Eagles will play Calvin Johnson, Lions Selected but won't play instead Alshon Jeffrey, Bears will play Brandon Marshall, Bears Demaryius Thomas, Broncos Selected but won't play instead Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals will play It's hard to argue with that list as all of those players are great except if your going to leave one guy off the list should it have been the guy who's resume in 2013 included #1 in the league in catches And the fact that Garcon had more yards then Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall, Desean Jackson, and Larry Fitzgerald? Clearly what hurt Garcon was that he less TD receptions then everyone on this list. But a receiver is much more important then just catching TD passes right? Will he ever get noticed by the league? It really bothers me when I see players being passed over for the probowl while other players with less of a resume get in. Maybe it was the years of waiting for Fletcher to get in that made me this way but I don't like this one bit. Garcon should have made it to the probowl this year The Broncos are in the AFC, Garcon couldn't have been a replacement for one of their receivers since he plays in the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The Broncos are in the AFC, Garcon couldn't have been a replacement for one of their receivers since he plays in the NFC. I don't think that's how it works anymore, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanoker Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The procees involves voting of the fans, coaches and players. Each group counts a third. It would be interesting to see the tally of votes by grouping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I don't think that's how it works anymore, but I could be wrong. You are correct. Also the fact Larry Fitgerald, who plays for the NFC, replaced Demaryius Thomas, who plays for the AFC, would also be a telling sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Garcon should definitely be in. He had a much better season than Fitzgerald. The Broncos are in the AFC, Garcon couldn't have been a replacement for one of their receivers since he plays in the NFC. So does Fitzgerald... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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