Riggo-toni Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually "ha satan" didn't mean the devil in Job - it would have been best translated as the accuser or the prosecuter (or perhaps the adversary). It was NOT a name/proper noun, and the scene in Job which became the basis for later readers equating the noun with a name for the devil is actually a courtroom drama with Yahweh serving as judge while the prosecuter (aka the satan) argues against Job...so, a courthouse might actually be a natural place for a satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 ... so, a courthouse might actually be a natural place for a satan. I think i saw that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 they'd make a better point by doing one of the Qu'ran How about a Statue of Muhammed? Just imagine the mayhem from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It doesn't even look like Satan. For starters, his horns were much smaller. If they're going to do it, they should do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It doesn't even look like Satan. For starters, his horns were much smaller. If they're going to do it, they should do it right. Here's a more recent picture. Much smaller horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It doesn't even look like Satan. For starters, his horns were much smaller. If they're going to do it, they should do it right. I understand he recently had a facelift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 counterpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 NOW, this thread is off and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That young boy looks like Obama The girl is probably Hillary.....wonder what they got for their souls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't have a problem with it; its actually pretty funny (especially the kids in the statue...lol). It isn't pornographic, violent or lewd and it represents a group of people's religion and beliefs. If you don't want people publicly shoving their religion and beliefs in your face then don't do it yourself. It seems to me that the only real argument against this is "they're just doing it to be mean to us"...which isn't very legally sound. Though I'm sure it will come back to the ole standby of "the ten commandments are there because they're a basis for our laws, we TOTALLY promise that it isn't pushing our religious beliefs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The article notes that it's designed so that Satan's lap can serve as a bench for the weary. Tasteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The article notes that it's designed so that Satan's lap can serve as a bench for the weary. Tasteful. Might be a popular place for pictures, too. That young boy looks like Obama I was thinking his grin looks more like The Joker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't have a problem with it; its actually pretty funny (especially the kids in the statue...lol). It isn't pornographic, violent or lewd and it represents a group of people's religion and beliefs. If you don't want people publicly shoving their religion and beliefs in your face then don't do it yourself. It seems to me that the only real argument against this is "they're just doing it to be mean to us"...which isn't very legally sound. Though I'm sure it will come back to the ole standby of "the ten commandments are there because they're a basis for our laws, we TOTALLY promise that it isn't pushing our religious beliefs". Except I thought the "church of Satan" always says they don't actually worship Satan, its more about themeselves. Guess they are liar's like their father the Devil afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Can someone better versed in the Church of Satan doctrine please educate me about what the hell goats have to do with Satan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Can someone better versed in the Church of Satan doctrine please educate me about what the hell goats have to do with Satan? http://www.thevacuum.org.uk/issues/issues0120/issue16/is16artgoacon.html What is the Devil connection? The problem can be traced back to the New Testament Gospel of Matthew, in which Christ prophecies the Final Judgement in the following terms: 'When the Son of Man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations; and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left' (Matthew. 25. 31-3). Continuing the Judaic tradition of figuring God as a good shepherd, this simile (tending towards allegory) neatly dispatches all goats to endless perdition and a long association with Old Scratch. However, the Bible typically represents Satan in the form of a serpent or a dragon, and it is principally through the folkloric beliefs of the Middle Ages that the Devil assumes some of the physical characteristics of our much maligned friend, the goat. . . The modern association of goats with the Devil is, however, perhaps more closely associated with the mysterious figure of Baphomet, the Sabbatic Goat Lord who was supposedly worshiped by the Knights Templar between the twelfth and fourteenth centuries. That 'Baphomet' is probably a corruption of 'Mahomet'(Mohammed), and the accusations of heresy were likely fomented by King Philip IV of France as a means of disbanding and destroying the order, does not seem to have prevented this myth from growing in popularity and lurid detail over the years. In his 'Witches Sabbath' (c.1821-1823), the Spanish artist Francisco Goya explicitly draws on the diabolical connotations of the Baphomet figure, representing Satan as a Black Goat Lord surrounded by a group of seated women who are offering him their dead infants. Why they are doing this exactly is not entirely clear, although it's probably safe to say that something very sinister is going on and that the goat is in the thick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Can someone better versed in the Church of Satan doctrine please educate me about what the hell goats have to do with Satan? The eyes, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Except I thought the "church of Satan" always says they don't actually worship Satan, its more about themeselves. Guess they are liar's like their father the Devil afterall. Generally Buddhists don't worship Buddha as a god. Would you stop them from putting a statue of Buddha in a public place by claiming it isn't actually a religion? Really comes down to semantics and how you choose to define a religion...does it require the worship of a supernatural entity as a deity?. Though, in reality it would probably come down more to how the courts define religion.in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB452 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It doesn't even look like Satan. For starters, his horns were much smaller. If they're going to do it, they should do it right. ..and we need Fire!.....FIRE!.....FIRE!......FIRE!...uh-huh-huh,.,,,,that would be cool and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Except I thought the "church of Satan" always says they don't actually worship Satan, its more about themeselves. Guess they are liar's like their father the Devil afterall. Satanism is a broad term. The 'Church of Satan' is part of LaVeyan Satanism that was founded by Anton LaVey back in the 1960s and it's basically just a philosophy and is Atheistic in nature. (They basically look at 'Satan' as a symbol of the nature of man rather than a literal being/deity) The people who want to put up the statue are apparently Theistic Satanists who view Satan as a deity to worship and follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Can someone better versed in the Church of Satan doctrine please educate me about what the hell goats have to do with Satan? Call me crazy, but I have to say that I wouldn't want to spend much time with a person who legitimately worships the christian version of the lord of darkness. Not talking about the church of Satan tongue in cheek "whateva I'll do what I want" group, I'm talking about the real deal, worshipers of evil and destruction. Seriously, I can see my conversation going something like this: Me: So how are you today? Satan Worshiper: Good, had a nice weekend. Me: What did you do? Satan Worshiper: Thought about whose dog i'm going to kidnap and sacrifice this month to the dark lord, my master. Me: Oh, that's nice..... So you enjoy sacrificing animals around the neighborhood. Do you also do cats? Satan Worshiper: Only if Satan seeks their life force on that particular day. Me: So, what is your favorite kind of blood to drink? Satan Worshiper: Generally pig or goat. Sometimes rodent blood, or young virgins. Me: Oh, so you like a bit of variety. Satan Worshiper: You could say that. I tend to stay away from chicken blood though. Had a buddy called back to the dark lord well before his time due to some strange bacteria. Me: So tell me, were you offended by your master's portrayal in "The Exorcist?" Satan Worshiper: Generally speaking, no. A few of my fellow brothers in darkness and betrayal thought that actress overdid it a bit, and that Satan really would never choose to live in Georgetown. I thought the vomiting scene was a bit tacky as well. But generally it was a fair representation of my dear beloved master of all that is unholy and deceitful. Me: Ok. The police just pulled up, so I'm going to slowly back away from you now with my hands raised in the air so I don't get shot as well. Perhaps we could get together for coffee or something next week. Satan Worshiper: That sounds good, but I'm busy next week. Have to go to the local nursery school and scout out a few children who the Prince of Darkness would like to consider possessing sometime in the summer of 2014. Needs about 6 months review time, the process is really more complex than you may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 ^^^ I don't think you're likely to have to spend much time with those kinds of Satanists because, by and large, they don't really exist en masse in an organized way. Sure you'll have the occasional psycho who says he kills animals or even people for the devil but that has nothing to do with religion and all to do with being a violent psychopath or paranoid schizophrenic. In any groups that claim to actually worship Satan as a deity you're more likely to find angsty goth kids who think they're rebelling or even people who just do it because they think its a laugh than you are people who actually go out and drink blood or make sacrifices. I know there was the whole "Satanic sacrifice" scare in the 80s but that was mostly a media driven phenomenon and there wasn't any real evidence of any systemic organized activities like that. There would be an unexplained gruesome murder somewhere and next thing you know people are talking about it possibly being a ritual sacrifice by Satanists. The Church of Satan is a totally different thing (like you alluded to). They just see Satan as a symbol for various things they believe in. They do "rituals" but they're mostly just silly and half tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Call me crazy, but I have to say that I wouldn't want to spend much time with a person who legitimately worships the christian version of the lord of darkness. Not talking about the church of Satan tongue in cheek "whateva I'll do what I want" group, I'm talking about the real deal, worshipers of evil and destruction. Sounds so much crazier than people who, in order to get on the VIP list to secure their spot in the afterlife party, on a weekly basis symbolically eat the body and drink the blood of a Jewish carpenter who became a zombie and joined his cosmic dictator father who happens to be himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotfire Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It's not a direct comparison. It's not like it's a statue of Jesus. The ten commandments are a well known set of laws that historically helped shape humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The ten commandments are a well known set of laws that historically helped shape humanity.Name a single Commandment that "helped shape humanity". Note: to qualify, said Commandment has to set forth 1). Something which is recognized to be wrong, today. 2). And which was not recognized as being wrong, before it was a Commandment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It's not a direct comparison. It's not like it's a statue of Jesus. The ten commandments are a well known set of laws that historically helped shape humanity. It's amusing to note how Christianity likes to co-opt the positive aspects of humanity and claim full credit. Murder, adultery, theft? Totally cool before JC came along. Now, of course, with the wide spread acceptance of the Bible, those crimes are pretty much unheard of. And, no one anywhere, ever was kind or generous to each other until God told us we should do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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