sacase Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Ok, I know you guys have short attention spans especially when your personal experiences aren't relevant. Here is all you have to remember.. (1) Nobody investigating the Clinton emails has ever claimed Hillary did anything wrong. Not State, Not the IG, Not Justice. (2) Hillary nor any of her aids are the focus of an investigation. (3) No criminal investigation exists on this topic. ( Hillary's Emails ) (4) Fox news and quite a few other right wing News Sources have continuously gotten these aspects of what is going on here wrong and aren't reliable news sources on this topic. (5) The investigation centers around reviewing 60,000 some pages of data for release to the public under a FOIA request. They are reviewing this information for that purpose as is standard procedure at State Last post on this topic as you couldn't be more wrong. Yes there is an actual investigation, most likely it is a Full Field Investigation. But you like to play with words and keep calling it a criminal investigation. That actually means nothing. An investigation is a tool used to determine what exactly happened and if something illegal happened then they present the information to the AUSA to determine if there is to be a prosecution. The FBI prosecutes nothing, its is entirely up to the AUSA. So yes they are investigating this incident to determine if there was any conduct in violation of Title 18 USC. Most likely paragraph 793 or 798. the FBI will not say anything publicly about the case. The only thing you will see is when the FBI presents the information to the AUSA for prosecution. At this point, no one can say definitively what this investigation is about as it is locked down tight. So you can't make definitive statements about what or who is being investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I certainly wouldn't pick Hillary over Bernie in that scenario. However, there is another caveat to having a Bernie presidency. He wouldn't be able to get a single thing past the House and Senate. Zero chance. The conservatives (and red state dems sometimes) block or try to block even the most moderate of Obama's proposals, how do you think they'd react to Bernie's truly progressive ideas? I mean, if you listen to the GOP's rhetoric about socialism boogeymen, you think he'd quit Lenin them hang around, dissolve Congress, and begin inStalin his program make for great American nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Oh yeah? Hillary just decided that is what people want? Hoo Rah http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/ Biden praises Sanders on income inequality, calls Clinton 'relatively new' to the fight Washington (CNN)Vice President Joe Biden offered effusive praise for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders Monday, lauding Hillary Clinton's chief rival for doing a "heck of a job" on the campaign trail and praising Sanders for offering an authentic voice on income inequality. And while Biden said Democrats had a slate of "great candidates" running for president, he suggested Clinton was a newcomer to issues like the growing gap between rich and poor. "Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real. And he has credibility on it," Biden said during an interview with CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger. "It's relatively new for Hillary to talk about that," Biden continued, acknowledging that Clinton has "come forward with some really thoughtful approaches to deal with the issue" of income inequality. "Hillary's focus has been other things up to now, and that's been Bernie's -- no one questions Bernie's authenticity on those issues," he said. Clinton and Sanders are locked in tight races in both Iowa and New Hampshire, which hold the nation's first nominating contests in less than a month's time. That's a distant cry from the start of the race, which saw Clinton an overwhelming favorite among Democrats. The tightening in polls prompted Sanders, a Vermont senator who identifies as a Democratic Socialist, to jab at Clinton's campaign as being in "serious trouble" during a campaign stop in Iowa Monday. Biden expressed little shock that Sanders was drawing ample support among Democrats, claiming that Sanders' self-identification as a socialist mattered little to his party's voters. "If Bernie Sanders never said he was a democratic socialist, based on what he's saying people wouldn't be calling him a democratic socialist," he said, claiming Clinton entered the race with an "awful high bar for her to meet." "I never thought she was a prohibitive favorite," he said. "I don't think she ever thought she was a prohibitive favorite. So I think it's, you know, everything's sort of coming down to Earth." Sanders has sufficiently come around on the issue of gun control, Biden said, even as the Clinton campaign continued to launch withering criticism of Sanders' past vote allowing legal immunity for gun manufacturers whose products are involved in fatal shootings. President Barack Obama recently wrote in an op-ed he wouldn't campaign for any candidate that doesn't support "common-sense gun reform." "What Bernie Sanders has to do is say that the Second Amendment says -- which he has, of late -- the Second Amendment says you can limit who can own a gun, that people who are criminals shouldn't have guns," he said. "People who are schizophrenic and have mental illnesses shouldn't own guns. And he has said that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 $150 Billion over 10 years is like putting that quarter collector in seven eleven to collect money for muscular dystrophy....progressive so to say. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/11/it-begins-hillary-clinton-rolls-out-new-plan-to-tax-super-rich/ It begins: Hillary Clinton rolls out new plan to tax super-richOn the trail in Iowa moments ago, Hillary Clinton rolled out the first piece of her plan to hit the wealthy with higher taxes. This will ignite a debate about progressive taxation with the GOP candidates, whose plans would deliver large windfalls to top earners — but it may also jump-start an intra-Dem argument over taxes with Bernie Sanders, whose plan is likely to hit the wealthy with a more robust tax hike than Clinton’s will end up doing. Clinton’s new proposal would impose a four percent “surcharge” on those who make more than $5 million per year, a Clinton aide says. The Clinton campaign estimates that this would hit two out of every 10,000 taxpayers, and raise over $150 billion over ten years. The hook for this new move is the recent announcement from the IRS that in 2013, the 400 highest-income taxpayers paid an effective tax rate of only 23 percent, due to lower rates on capital gains and other loopholes. Clinton’s new plan is designed to target the income of the wealthiest taxpayers in a way that gets around any such efforts to pay lower rates, according to Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. To do this, it would impose a hike of four percentage points on whatever effective rate each of these top taxpayers currently pays. “This is an attempt to say, ‘okay, if you have really high income, no matter what you’re paying now, we’re going to add four percentage points to it,'” Williams tells me. “It’s a blunt instrument. But it’s straightforward and simple.” The Clinton campaign claims this will help ensure that “the richest Americans pay an effective rate higher than middle-class families.” This has been a longtime goal of Democrats who have pushed the “Buffett Rule” and other similar measures designed to ensure that top earners’ effective overall tax rate does not remain lower than that paid by middle class taxpayers. But it’s not clear how successful this new Clinton policy would be in terms of moving the tax system towards this goal. That’s because in each individual case, what the taxpayer would pay under her policy would depend on what effective rate they currently pay, and since those differ from one person to the next, so would the end result of her policy. “The Clinton proposal would surely push some high income taxpayers into paying taxes higher than middle class households,” Williams says. “But because of the nature of their income, some higher income people could still be paying relatively low taxes.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Uh Oh http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-started-hillary-clinton/story?id=36225947 Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton Facing ‘Tough Time’ Against Bernie Sanders Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday that Hillary Clinton was having a “tough time” running against Bernie Sanders and that “she certainly has a race that’s a lot different than people thought.” "She’s got some guy who’s -- I mean he should be easy to beat,” Trump said during an appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon" tonight, calling Sanders, with whom she is running neck-and-neck in the polls, not “even a Democrat.” “I mean, how can you lose like this?" Trump said. "He really isn’t even a Democrat. But he said he’s a socialist, and I think he may be a step beyond a socialist." Clinton’s campaign has increasingly acknowledged the tough battle it believes the former secretary of state faces against Sanders in early-voting states. Hillary Clinton Calls for 'Spirited Debate' With Bernie Sanders as Race Heats Up Hillary Clinton Says Trump's Attacks Against Bill Clinton's Past 'Won’t Work' New Iowa Poll Shows Ted Cruz and Donald Trump in Tight Battle Trump also claimed success after attacking Bill Clinton last week by bringing up the former president's past infidelity. Trump made controversial remarks last year about Clinton that were decried as vulgar and sexist and the former Secretary of State's camp derided them as degrading to women. Clinton has recently begun to join his wife on the campaign trail. "She came out with a little bit of a statement about me,” Trump said of Hillary Clinton, "and I came out with a very big statement about her and Bill, and she stopped talking about me all of the sudden.” Trump that he hadn't "even started" going after Clinton yet, saying his recent jab at her husband's infidelity had succeeded in quieting the couple. "I'm winning against Hillary one-on-one," Trump said, touting his latest poll numbers. "And I haven't even started on her yet, although last week I did a little bit. But we haven't even started." Fallon also noted that Trump had said he believed President Barack Obama had cried during remarks this month about gun violence – despite some conservative pundits’ claims he had faked it. “Do you cry ever?” Fallon asked the billionaire, who projects a tough image on the trail. “Yeah,” Trump responded, "When I was one, I cried.” The real estate mogul also said his and Clinton's candidacies may have a positive effect on voting in the United States if they high turnout at the ballot box. "That's a good thing, because people don't vote that much in this country," Trump said. "So that would be an amazing thing if that happened." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/poll-new-hampshire-gop-field-217570#ixzz3wykGSDhE?NV:.dptbdsm:BOdY Trump soars, Bush sinks in latest N.H. poll Donald Trump is now the choice of nearly one-in-three likely Republican primary voters in New Hampshire, while Jeb Bush, who once pledged that he would win in the state, plummeted to just 4 percent in the latest Monmouth University poll. With less than a month before the New Hampshire primary, the Republican polls are showing significant movement, and a competitive battle for second and third place within the margin of error. Trump jumped six points from the November poll, to 32 percent, followed by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, both at 14 percent. For Cruz, the results mark an increase of 5 points from the last survey, while for Kasich, Monday's poll is a three-point bump. Kasich’s strong showing in this poll, combined with Bush's weak showing, could propel him onto the main stage in the next GOP debate, scheduled for Thursday night. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio drew 12 percent, statistically unchanged from two months ago, with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ticking up three points to 8 percent. Carly Fiorina remained at 5 percent, followed by Bush and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 4 percent each. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, meanwhile, plunged from 16 percent in November to 3 percent this time. Other candidates polled at 1 percent or less, with 3 percent undecided. In November, Carson trailed Trump by a mere 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 If it somehow became a battle of the extremes... say a Cruz v Sanders race... I wonder what happens? Who wins or does a third party actually make headway because the two mainstream parties put forth their fringes? If it's Trump, I see the Republicans pinching their noses and all falling in line, you can see them trying to do that already and trying to reconcile that it could be Trump. Right now, I think he still stands as the most likely choice... and frankly, maybe even the most palatable (I suppose Rubio might be slightly saner, but can't have Predicto win his sig bet) If Hillary falls twice after being the presumptive twice it would be quite the upset. Losing to a Sanders might even be crazier than losing to an Obama. I don't see the latter happening though. Trump gets it, I can see people just leaving the convention early. They do the roll call, the day before the speech. Even though people detest Cruz, I could see some of them fall in line and others either not voting or voting for the dem. If Joe Biden is the nominee, after Hillary implodes or is indicted - I think he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Yes there is an actual investigation, most likely it is a Full Field Investigation. But you like to play with words and keep calling it a criminal investigation. That actually means nothing. No, No crime has been reported. Justice is not working on a criminal investigation nor are they building a case. They are trying to comply with a federal court order to release 60,000 pages of data and they are assisting in the review of these pages to ensure THEY don't release classified information to the public. And NOT A CRIMINAL CASE are not my words.. They are the Justice Department's Words. Reuters July 24th Justice Department: No criminal referral over Clinton emails WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Justice Department said Friday it has received a request to examine the handling of classified information related to the private emails from Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state, but it is not a criminal referral. The department's statement followed a report by the New York Times that Justice Department officials had received a request to open a criminal investigation into the Clinton emails. A separate memo disclosed Friday from government inspector generals expressed concern about how the emails were being handled as they were prepared for release to the public. http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-double-capital-gains-tax-short-term-investments-145246456--sector.html the FBI will not say anything publicly about the case. The only thing you will see is when the FBI presents the information to the AUSA for prosecution. The FBI is part of the Justice Dept and the Justice Dept has said over and over and over again they are not investigating a criminal case. Nobody has suggested any crime has occurred other than fox news. There is no crime here.. this entire "investigation" is about the State Dept fulfilling the terms of a federal court order to publically release all of Hillary's emails and State, the IG and Justice are working together to ensure when they do release the 60,000 some odd emails they don't release classified emails. Justice Dept. Says Hillary Clinton Had Authority to Delete Certain Emails NYTimes Sept 11, 2015 WASHINGTON — The Justice Department said in a court filing this week that Hillary Rodham Clinton had the authority to delete emails that she did not believe were government records from the personal account that she exclusively used while secretary of state. The statement was made in connection with a lawsuit brought by the conservative group Judicial Watch. The group is seeking to force the government to search the server that housed Mrs. Clinton’s account for messages related to a video ad the State Department aired in Pakistan. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us/justice-dept-says-hillary-clinton-had-authority-to-delete-certain-emails.html?_r=0 At this point, no one can say definitively what this investigation is about as it is locked down tight. So you can't make definitive statements about what or who is being investigated. At this point, no one who's primary news source is Fox News can definitively say what this investigation is about. For the rest of us we can read the state dept, the IG and the Justice departments numerous statements on this matter and tell you the entire case is about a FOIA request, not a reported wrong doing. There has never ever been a reported criminal offense here. Hillary's use of her Private Email Server was entirely Lawful.. Colin Powel and John Kerry both had their own private email before the policy was changed to mandate the Sec State use State email accounts... Which Makes John Kerry to be the first Sec State to have an unclassified State email account. The IG made "a security referral," not a criminal one: IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials. [statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails, 7/24/15] https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation: Hillary Rodham Clinton's attorney has agreed to provide the FBI with the private server that housed her e-mail during her four years as secretary of state, Clinton's presidential campaign said Tuesday. [...] The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target. The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private e-mail system. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-secret-e-mails-were-sent-on-clintons-private-account-official-says/2015/08/11/f3117f08-403d-11e5-9561-4b3dc93e3b9a_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I certainly wouldn't pick Hillary over Bernie in that scenario. However, there is another caveat to having a Bernie presidency. He wouldn't be able to get a single thing past the House and Senate. Zero chance. The conservatives (and red state dems sometimes) block or try to block even the most moderate of Obama's proposals, how do you think they'd react to Bernie's truly progressive ideas? Oh, I agree that Bernie has no chance of transforming the nation into Bernieville. But to me, that's not really a strike against him. Because I'm not sure that I want to go full Bernieville. A more moderate version would be more desirable, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Oh, I agree that Bernie has no chance of transforming the nation into Bernieville. But to me, that's not really a strike against him. Because I'm not sure that I want to go full Bernieville. A more moderate version would be more desirable, to me....which is exactly what we'll get, because...GOP House. It's all or nothing, considering they'll be working fewer days than ever next fiscal year. I actually think Paul Ryan may be willing to at least bargain on some issues instead of just saying NO. He's got to, he wants his career to at least have some resemblance of an "upside"...at least be able to say, "We had to give this to get that, which was great..." in true "Follow the Trump-a-Dump" fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 There's going to be tremendous pressure on Ryan not to compromise. Remember, Boehner eventually became hated in Republican circles for compromising too much. There are already whispers that nearly unseated him before he was selected that he was not a pure enough Republican. For nearly 8 years, compromise has been a four letter word to the GOP... and I believe that has more to do with their philosophy than their educational policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 There's going to be tremendous pressure on Ryan not to compromise. Remember, Boehner eventually became hated in Republican circles for compromising too much. There are already whispers that nearly unseated him before he was selected that he was not a pure enough Republican. For nearly 8 years, compromise has been a four letter word to the GOP... and I believe that has more to do with their philosophy than their educational policy. If Americans don't like they job the GOP is doing, they have a choice every 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters.html Hillary Clinton Races to Close Enthusiasm Gap With Bernie Sanders in IowaDES MOINES — Iowa Democrats are displaying far less passion for Hillary Clinton than for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont three weeks before the presidential caucuses, creating anxiety inside the Clinton campaign as she scrambles to energize supporters and to court wavering voters. The enthusiasm gap spilled abundantly into view in recent days, from the cheering crowds and emotional outpourings that greeted Mr. Sanders, and in interviews with more than 50 Iowans at campaign stops for both candidates. Voters have mobbed Mr. Sanders at events since Friday, some jumping over chairs to shake his hand, snap a selfie or thank him for speaking about the middle class. “Did you get to touch him?” asked one woman who could not get close enough after an event here on Saturday. “We love you, Bernie! Enough is enough!” Nathan Arentsen, 29, cheered several times at another event in Des Moines as he stomped his feet to signal support for the candidate. Audiences for Mrs. Clinton have yet to grow to consistently match those for Mr. Sanders, and the typical reception for her was evident on Monday in Waterloo. About 300 people welcomed Mrs. Clinton enthusiastically and listened to her diligently, but many of them, still unsure, rebuffed Clinton aides trying to get them to sign “commitment cards” to caucus for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 If Americans don't like they job the GOP is doing, they have a choice every 2 years. Agreed. Yet, ask anyone if they like the job Congress is doing and 9 times out of 10 you are told not no, but NOOOO! I suppose it's the age old phenomenon of people hating Congress, but loving their own Congressman. There are other effects in play though too like gerrymandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I guess it's a good thing that Cruz wasn't a test tube baby. Talking about unnaturally born. Of couse being a true illegitimate spawn of Beelzebub might be a tad unnatural too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Not sure where else to post this. But, my new favorite tweet of 2016 Paul Ryan @SpeakerRyan The Federal Reserve has given us liberal-style, trickle down economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I have absolutely no idea what "liberal-style" trickle down economics is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Neither does Ryan. But he just scored points with the GOP base for blaming liberals for something something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Neither does Ryan. But he just scored points with the GOP base for blaming liberals for something something... That's called politics, if you watch Hillary, she scores points for blaming republicans for stuff in every appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I really wish Nikki Haley wasn't delivering the "Yeah But" speech tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 That's called politics, if you watch Hillary, she scores points for blaming republicans for stuff in every appearance. But in this case it would be like Hillary blaming Republicans for political correctness. Trickle down is strongly associated with Reagan, and conservative economics are still based in supply-side theory. AFAIK "liberal-style" trickle down sounds more like an oxymoron than actual policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 But in this case it would be like Hillary blaming Republicans for political correctness. Trickle down is strongly associated with Reagan, and conservative economics are still based in supply-side theory. AFAIK "liberal-style" trickle down sounds more like an oxymoron than actual policy. There are many people who think the Fed keeping interest rates near zero as the lefts version of trickle down. Paul Ryan is wAY late to the game on that thought. No oxymoron. It's politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Neither does Ryan. But he just scored points with the GOP base for blaming liberals for something something... Liberals, and the Fed. As we all know, nobody hates capitalism like big bankers. Harumph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Carly Fiorina @CarlyFiorina I am keenly aware that my story is only possible in this great nation. doubled2520 @doubled2520 @CarlyFiorina Wait, what? Your story of being the daughter of a presidential appointee? Your riches to riches story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 There are many people who think the Fed keeping interest rates near zero as the lefts version of trickle down. Thank you, I see what he's getting at now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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