Kilmer17 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I think Hillary has a Bill problem. My opinion, there are too many people that think she got where she is in life because she married the right guy. And no matter what she accomplishes on her own, that will always hang above her. I remember a quote from Colin Powell (I think) when asked who in the Senate knew the most about foreign policy and his answer was "you mean other than Hillary?" Fair or unfair, I think that's always her biggest baggage. Moreso than her style, grumpiness, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 In my last neighborhood, for whatever reason, I was surrounded by Secret Service Agents. My wife's best friend from high school works at the Secret Service. She isn't likable because she is mean. It's obvious on TV, she can't even fake being a friendly person. She is just a grumpy lady. Many Attorneys are mean, in life they are pretty miserable. It's one of the worst jobs for depression, stress, and suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Oh I agree, neither party is really out to fight the wealthy and how they rig the system. They benefit from it and in many cases they are part of the wealthy (even if barely.) They're interested in keeping the rest of us just happy enough - or most of us just happy enough That we don't do something like this.. or this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 In my last neighborhood, for whatever reason, I was surrounded by Secret Service Agents. My wife's best friend from high school works at the Secret Service. She isn't likable because she is mean. It's obvious on TV, she can't even fake being a friendly person. She is just a grumpy lady. Many Attorneys are mean, in life they are pretty miserable. It's one of the worst jobs for depression, stress, and suicide. I can believe that. At the same time, I remember reading that White House staff were scared to death of Lyndon Johnson and he was an out and out ****. They were terrified of what would happen to them if they forgot to turn off the lights for the night, for example. He was a tough, foul mouthed, mean guy. I have to believe there's a place in politics for those and don't imagine many of our leaders are super cuddly. Besides, I always hated the "who would you rather have a beer with" qualification for president. Still, you are probably right. I think Hillary could make a good President... at the worst a competent President and I think she has the chops, history, and IQ for the gig. Am I rallying for her, rooting for her, or hoping she land the job... not really. Some of that is because I don't like dynasties and don't want to see another Bush or Clinton, but some of it may have to do with her... though I suspect how she is portrayed is different than who she is. Funnily enough, I went to a retirement party full of people who worked at the Blair House around New Years. Obviously, there were a bunch of Dept of State people there. They really were in Hillary's corner. They really liked her as a person and SOS. So, I guess it probably has to do with who you were. I had heard that the Clintons were terrible to the military and looked down on them in a superior way. So, maybe that's it. Maybe it's a classism thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Fair or unfair, I think that's always her biggest baggage ("seen as bill's wife"). Moreso than her style, grumpiness, etc. That is a problem not her biggest problem. Other Hillary Problems, she doesn't really have any ideas, she has no charisma, she's more comfortable hiding from her likely voters rather than trying to sell herself, and she's blatantly subverting the nomination process to eliminate any alternative candidates. All big problems. Also she doesn't seem to like Americans nor the American proclivity for letting voters pick our leaders. Another big problem. It is incredible upsetting to me having said that and honestly feeling that way.. I may end up voting for her anyway... Because I truly believe Hillary / Bill engineered it that way in both parties; to exclude any viable alternative.. Her biggest problem right now? Her hand selected unviable alternative candidates are looking pretty viable next to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I may end up voting for her anyway... Because I truly believe Hillary / Bill engineered it that way in both parties; to exclude any viable alternative.. Well that's a guarantee. Blue will pull Hillary, and Red will pull Trump. Gonna be a doozie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Can we get updated and agreed on definitions for all these sub-genres? Liberal, Progressive, Libertarian, NeoCon, Tea Partier, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I agree with many of the criticisms of Hillary, but I do not agree that she has no ideas. She is a legendary policy wonk. She has ideas and plans on a huge number of issues. She does not have grandiose ideas like abolishing the IRS or pulling out of NATO or anything like that, and her speeches and ads have very little to do with her actual ideas, but she has a lot of incremental ideas and plans. She's a grumpy person and and uninspiring candidate and she has negative charisma, but she is extremely intelligent and well-informed, and would be an effective but cautious President, IMO. Kind of the exact opposite of Trump, really. If he is all sizzle and no steak, she is all steak and no sizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Can we get updated and agreed on definitions for all these sub-genres? Liberal, Progressive, Libertarian, NeoCon, Tea Partier, etc. They all have identical definitions: Whatever you want them to mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 She should have doubled down on her "HilDog" persona. Sunglasses everywhere. Always on a Blackberry. Throw out tons of policy in a speech, then throw a zinger at someone random in the GOP. Don't smile in interviews, only smirk. For whatever reason, that worked for her. HilDog was in line to be president. Hillary seems to be floundering a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Can we get updated and agreed on definitions for all these sub-genres? Liberal, Progressive, Libertarian, NeoCon, Tea Partier, etc. Here are my definitions.. Liberal Progressive Socialist.. all synonyms. Moderate left leaning political silo. Refer to someone who seeks a new answer when faced with a problem. New means unknown, new means riskier, new also holds out the hope for being very good, sometimes turns out to be very bad. Conservative - Moderate right leaning political silo.. Refers to someone who seeks to go back to a known good solution when faced with a problem. Bent to conserve or preserve what we have. Known good means safe well understood but also a compromise and potentially less than ideal solution. Communist - An instance of an extreme Left political philosophy.. Stalin and Lenin were trying to create a new form of Government. Fascist - An extreme Right political philosophy.. Hitler and Mussolini were both trying to recreate their optimal governments from history.. Hitler wanted to create the 3rd Reich.. or the 3rd instance of the holy Roman Empire. Mussolini wanted to recreate simple the second Roman Empire .. . NeoCon... You know some folks see a glass of water as half full, and some folks see it as half empty.. NeoCon's think the glass is trying to kill them, and they need to attack that glass first or risk loosing everything!. George H. W. Bush recently in his just out biography called them the Iron Ass Wing of the GOP. Always looking to go to war with whomever. Tea Partier... a group of disgruntled voters on the moderate right. have libertarian tendencies. Typically smart, interested in politics and well read.. Only poorly informed mostly because they don't trust reliable news sources and place their trust in the riskier publications or web sites. Thus Prone to being co-op'd by jackasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I agree with many of the criticisms of Hillary, but I do not agree that she has no ideas. She is a legendary policy wonk. She has ideas and plans on a huge number of issues. She does not have grandiose ideas like abolishing the IRS or pulling out of NATO or anything like that, and her speeches and ads have very little to do with her actual ideas, but she has a lot of incremental ideas and plans. That's really good to hear.. Why do you think she's hiding all these ideas? And why as a reasonable well informed person have I never heard of her having an original idea in my life... ( untrue..) last time she had an original idea was back before she became Senator of NY.. She came out supporting an independent Palistinian State in the West bank. This has since become every American President's position but when Hillary said it it was still pretty new. She and her husband are truly gifted politicians.. They are world class at that.. but part of that political capability comes from never telling the other guy what they are thinking and that includes voters. I find that infuriating. She's a grumpy person and and uninspiring candidate and she has negative charisma, but she is extremely intelligent and well-informed, and would be an effective but cautious President, IMO. I never said she wasn't Intelligent. Between her and Bill I think she's intelligent enough to have engineered Bernie being the most viable candidate on her Left and Donald the most viable candidate on her right.. and that just pisses the hell out of me. Kind of the exact opposite of Trump, really. If he is all sizzle and no steak, she is all steak and no sizzle. I think trump is a billionaire today because people underestimate him. I think he's smart as hell. I've heard him referred too decades ago as a genius in finance in a prominent business school class. He along with a handful of other people were the answer to the smartest finance minds in the country. I also think he's been smart as hell with his speeches, picking his topics, and he's dominated in the debates. My biggest problem with him isn't that he won't do all the stuff he's talking about.. my biggest problem with him is he might actually do some of that stuff. That and an outside chance he will use a nuclear weapon because he thinks it might help our exports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Why do you think she's hiding all these ideas? For the simplest and most cynical of reasons. So far, she has been relatively unchallenged and therefore, she hasn't needed to. The moment she put out her idea her opponents (and even her allies) get to attack them. Frankly, at this stage in the primaries, even on the Republican side you haven't seen many ideas except for really scary tax plans that would quadruple the debt and the desire to build the Great Wall of America. Really, we're not at the idea stage (I hope we get there at some point. We don't always) Right now, it's attack Obama, attack the candidate, or maybe define yourself. But giving a plan and dealing with the nuts and bolts? Please. No one's doing that... unless they are a big underdog, desperate for attention and that is a sad state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think trump is a billionaire today because people underestimate him. I think he's smart as hell. I've heard him referred too decades ago as a genius in finance in a prominent business school class. He along with a handful of other people were the answer to the smartest finance minds in the country. Donald Trump is a billionare today because he inherited a multi million dollar fortune from his father (who actually was a business genius). His return on that windfall fortune has been mediocre. He is not remotely one of the smartest minds in the country, in finance or anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Oh snap I forgot about the lecture tonight and was late. Whoopsies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 My word those are some chompers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Quite toothy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter Trump should deport Nikki Haley.10:31 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Wow - Sanders taking Iowa would. be significant. Hillary taking NH would also be significant. I would vote Bernie over Trump with a lot of enthusiasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 My word those are some chompers Just logged in.. haven't seen any post except this.. and I already know you are talking about Gov Nikki Haley. It was like watching a great white shark give a speech. If a great white shark could talk while clinching her teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 http://www.politico.com/blogs/state-of-the-union-2016/2016/01/nikkie-haley-republican-criticism-217692#ixzz3x61GLYpO Nikki Haley's speech not a hit on the far right The Republican National Committee and many 2016 presidential contenders had high praise for Gov. Nikki Haley's response to the State of the Union on Tuesday night. But not all conservatives were on board. In a series of tweets radio host Laura Ingraham blasted the GOP and Haley for the rebuttal, which she said was more of a rebuttal to Donald Trump than President Barack Obama. "Too bad @NikkiHaley missed her oppty to stand w/ working ppl who want borders enforced, American workers put first, govt shrunk" Ingraham wrote. "The country is lit up w/ a populist fever & the GOP responds by digging in, criticizing the GOP candidates dominating polls?! NOT SMART."' Conservative commentator and author Ann Coulter went even farther, writing, "Trump should deport Nikki Haley." "Nikki Haley: "The best thing we can do is turn down the volume" Translation: Voters need to shut the hell up," she wrote as part of a series of tweets criticizing Haley's response. Over at Breitbart, Haley's response was equated to an open-border policy. "Haley’s declaration that no one who is willing to work hard… should ever feel unwelcome in this country' articulates the central principle of the open-borders philosophy," read one article. "To the glee of our corrupt media, Nikki Haley is attacking our own frontrunner. The GOP Establishment is garbage," tweeted Breitbart columnist John Nolte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 For the simplest and most cynical of reasons. So far, she has been relatively unchallenged and therefore, she hasn't needed to. The moment she put out her idea her opponents (and even her allies) get to attack them. Frankly, at this stage in the primaries, even on the Republican side you haven't seen many ideas except for really scary tax plans that would quadruple the debt and the desire to build the Great Wall of America. Really, we're not at the idea stage (I hope we get there at some point. We don't always) Right now, it's attack Obama, attack the candidate, or maybe define yourself. But giving a plan and dealing with the nuts and bolts? Please. No one's doing that... unless they are a big underdog, desperate for attention and that is a sad state of affairs. As a severe liberal who swore off all Republicans after Bush Jr's first term for at least a decade.. I have to disagree. I don't know how they did it, but in this campaign the GOP is the party with the most diverse ideas. Trump has frankly excellent and persuasive and even common sensical ideas. Rand Paul comes across as the intellectual of this election. It's sounds crazy but I think he actually came in second in at least two debates. Carli, Cruz, and Rubi all have their own ideas too and they are all trying to get their messages out. Hillary on the other hand has been trying her best to hide from debate... I know lets have a Saturday evening debate over the xmas holiday when not even the networks will air their prime time shows. That's what Hillary has contributed. That and demonstrating how easily she can control debate moderators and leadership in the supposedly neutral Democratic National Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am reading a transcript of her... I mean the GOP speech. "Chaotic unrest in many of our cities... " many?!?! Obama is doing nothing about ISIS?!?! So we've had 8 years of unchecked immigration... a couple of attacks... and how does the SC shooting relate to anything? "Modern families" infringing on religion... Yes, lets upset the Iranians... that won't be dangerous at all... Can we finish all this allusions to the founding fathers and try to just have a great 2016 country instead of a great 1782 country? Should their policies even be important now? Yes - their big ideas are awesome - but not all of their policies. Wasn't there lots of compromising they did together? GOP - took about 8 years, but you lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 As a severe liberal who swore off all Republicans after Bush Jr's first term for at least a decade.. I have to disagree. I don't know how they did it, but in this campaign the GOP is the party with the most diverse ideas. Trump has frankly excellent and persuasive and even common sensical ideas. Rand Paul comes across as the intellectual of this election. It's sounds crazy but I think he actually came in second in at least two debates. Carli, Cruz, and Rubi all have their own ideas too and they are all trying to get their messages out. You aren't a "severe liberal" if you vote Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Donald Trump is a billionare today because he inherited a multi million dollar fortune from his father (who actually was a business genius). His return on that windfall fortune has been mediocre. He is not remotely one of the smartest minds in the country, in finance or anything else. Because everybody who inherits 40 million dollars turns it into 8.7 billion? That doesn't sound mediocre to me. And remember I didn't say he was considered a financial genius, I had a business school professor from a very respected school mention Trump as one of the greatest financial minds in the US. That was a long time ago long before the apprentice. You can take that for what it's worth, I am not well informed on the matter. I will say that nobody in this race started behind Donald Trump. He was a serious joke when this race started... and now the latest polls have him taking 20% of likely democratic voters in a head to head with Hillary.. That's unheard of. (1) Trump has the best stump speech I've heard in this election so far. (2) Trump is the most charismatic guy in this race so far certainly on the right. (3) Trump's issues have controlled what every other GOP candidate has had to talk about. (4) Trump has a very strong set of issues which were carefully crafted to resonate with the voters and they have. (5) Trump has been the most important guy in every GOP debate, If he hasn't won the debate outright, he's dominated what was discussed. Trump's success here isn't an aberration. He's earned it. And anybody who takes him lightly is going to loose.. He's good at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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