Going Commando Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 OK, I'll give you your incredibly lousy lottery luck. And I'll give you five extra years of embarrassing dysfunction since ours only goes back to 1980. But I'm subtracting 10 because of last season. Therefor we lose and thus win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 That's fair. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Did the maths. Also, I hope you realize that if you guys set the all time wins record and then win another championship and then get Durant this summer that all of your 30+ years of suffering are invalidated and you become the new Lakers. Think about that before you root for a win tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Did the maths. Also, I hope you realize that if you guys set the all time wins record and then win another championship and then get Durant this summer that all of your 30+ years of suffering are invalidated and you become the new Lakers. Think about that before you root for a win tonight.  If they can add Durant without losing too much defense or their team chemistry and ball movement sure. If they add Durant and up heavy on stars but with badly limited role players, worse defense, and a bunch of ISO plays they'll underachieve not once, not twice, not three times... you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Maybe Wall should fire Wittman and hire a friend to coach the team     allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Maybe Wall should fire Wittman and hire a friend to coach the team     allegedly  Maybe y'all shouldn't allow 43 points in a quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Maybe y'all shouldn't allow 43 points in a quarter.  we have allowed Ernest Grunfeld to remain employed for over a decade  43 points is nothing by comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Maybe y'all shouldn't allow 43 points in a quarter. Not a Wiz fan. Or even an NBA fan. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 GG. Sensational shooting night from Curry. The rim was a hula hoop. My question is why does Golden State even bother to play Bogut at this point? Just to goon it up? They're unbelievable when they go tiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Warriors might not be able to resign Barnes anyway and Iggy is getting older. Not sure cashing in those two chips for Durant is the worst way to go. They'd lose Bogut too but I don't think he is special. They could replace him with a cheap big when they need to go out of their small lineup. Durant would get plenty of shots too and I think he would fit in extremely well. It wouldn't turn their team into a bunch of ball stopping Isos. Durant might cry at night when he goes to bed so happy with the open shots he sees Edited February 4, 2016 by Momma There Goes That Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 GG. Sensational shooting night from Curry. The rim was a hula hoop. My question is why does Golden State even bother to play Bogut at this point? Just to goon it up? They're unbelievable when they go tiny. I'm very worried about this trend. Because back on the day you had big men in the paint. It's undeniable at this point that the hand check rule phased out defense and physical play in order to favor a more finesse, offensive style of play. And to me, growing up in the 80s, that's just flat out offensive. People didn't play defense back then, but they were a ton more physical. I understand the league is trying to prevent injuries, I understand that. We understand that. But to the point where you can't even touch a dude anymore that's not defense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Westbrook had 24-19-14 last night. How the **** does a PG get 19 rebounds???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 good lord that's a hell of a stat line. He plays mean, he isn't soft at all. Rebounding is all about desire. He wasn't in the right place at the right time that many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 I said it before, but no one can convince me otherwise that Steph Curry isn't the most improved player in the NBA. IMO, he's the front runner for both the MVP and MIP. He's really taken his game to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't think they will let Curry win most improved. I'd say it goes to Jimmy Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't think they will let Curry win most improved. I'd say it goes to Jimmy Butler  I don't think there's a chance in hell he wins it...but he should get it. He was MVP last year for good reason...but he's even better this year. Which is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't think there's a chance in hell he wins it...but he should get it. He was MVP last year for good reason...but he's even better this year. Which is scary. I agree completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Steph Curry and Russell Westbrook are some next level PGs. I'm not sure the position has ever before seen two players as dominant as they are right now. Westbrook is like prime Oscar right now and Curry is wholly unprecedented. I think you can argue that, on the offensive end, his season is currently better than Jordan's best season. This season there is a pretty definite top six in the NBA and they've been unbelievably dominant. 1.) Curry 2.) Durant 3.) Westbrook 4.) LeBron 5.) Kawhi 6.) CP3 My vote for MIP would be Kawhi Leonard. He's made the leap to full on superstar. He was kind of flirting with that level of play the previous two seasons. This is the year he's put it all together and he's now consistent. Curry already has MVP sewn up. Pretty much. All he has to do is finish close to how he's started. I think DPOY is an interesting debate this year. Duncan, Drummond, Leonard, Green, and Whiteside are all worthy of strong consideration IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Ignoring everything that happened before Wall was picked, Ernie subsequently struck out with five first round rookies (Seraphin, Booker, Crawford, Vesely, Singleton) and God knows how many second rounders. I look at that list and Vesely, Singleton, and Crawford aren't even in the league any more, Seraphin is close to joining them, and Booker is playing 20 minutes a night for some other bad team.  I'm not going to tell you that Ernie's a good GM, but you are being unfair here at some level.  He got the rights for Seraphin in trade with Heinrich for the rights to a guy that has never even played in the NBA (and some money).  While Seraphin didn't have much of a career and Heinrich's time in Washington was largely considered a failure, by any reasonable metric considering you only gave up the rights to a guy that never even played in the NBA that's not a bad trade.  The draft day Trevor Booker trade looks down right good (I'm assuming this is a case where he actually picked Booker vs. the Seraphin case where the trade was actually made later and Heinrich and money were actually the key pieces to the trade).  He gave up 1 guy that never played in the NBA, and another guy that just came over this year (so his draft rights didn't do MN any good), and if you look at something like WS you have to go up to the 14th pick to find somebody that has more and nobody taken after him in the 1st round has more WS (Booker was taken 23rd).  Based on where and when he was picked, Booker actually looks like a REALLY good pick.  The Singleton pick isn't good, but it isn't that bad either.  Some good players actually went right before him in the draft, but after him, its Tobias Harris who starts on a bad Orlando team, Donatas Motiejunas who is bouncing around between the NBA and the D-league and never done much, Nolan Smith out of the league, Kenneth Faried who starts on a bad Denver team, Nikola Mirotic who looks pretty good, but stayed in Europe long enough after he was drafted that this draft rights didn't do Houston any good, so there's a lot of not very good right picks around him.  Now, Reggie Jackson and Jimmy Butler were both taken after that, but those are the exceptions where people got lucky.  But if you look in the area of where he was drafted, Singleton doesn't stick out like a sore thumb of being the bad pick.  Out of the 5 picks directly after Singleton, three of the teams that drafted those players have essentially gotten no value out of the guys they drafted (Min, Portland, and Houston).  There is a lot of failure through out the NBA draft. Edited February 4, 2016 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Jay Bilas kept talking about all the good Kentucky players in the NBA last night. You could make a team out of just Calipari Kentucky players and it would already be one of the best in the league: PG: John Wall, Eric Bledsoe SG: Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, Archie Goodwin SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones PF: Anthony Davis, Karl Anthony Towns, Willie Cauley-Stein, Trey Lyles C: DeMarcus Cousins, Enes Kanter, Nerlens Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Son.  Don't even try to match historical misery with me.  Even Bill Simmons recognized in 2012 that the Warriors were "the most tortured franchise in professional basketball."  The team was nothing but bad luck combined with screw up after screw up, for 35 years straight.  Simmons wrote a great article about it.  To summarize:  "The facts heading into [the 2012] season: The Warriors missed the playoffs 29 times in 35 years … the Warriors won four playoff series total in 34 years … the Warriors haven’t made the playoffs for two straight seasons since 1977 … the Warriors haven’t made the Conference Finals since 1976 … the Warriors haven’t had an All-Star since 1997 … the Warriors have earned spots at 16 of the last 17 lotteries (impossible but true) … the Warriors have made 22 top-14 picks since 1985 (including 11 in the top eight and five in the top three) … and the Warriors made so many bad first-round picks and overpaid so many guys over the past 35 years that I don’t even have time to type all their names again."  http://grantland.com/features/how-annoy-fan-base-60-easy-steps/   Oh yeah...  that star that brought guns into your guys' locker room?  Mr. Arenas?  You should have known better - you stole him from the Warriors!  hahahaha    is the guy rooting for the standing champion, on pace for the best season in the entire history of the league, whinging about his fan misery?        Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I think DPOY is an interesting debate this year. Duncan, Drummond, Leonard, Green, and Whiteside are all worthy of strong consideration IMO. Â Duncan realistically is no longer a DPOY candidate. Â Put Milsap on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Kevin Durant. If he went to GS, would your opinion of him change? I like Durant. He seems to be a really good guy, plus he's a Skins fan. But if he went to GS, doesn't he lose a level of respect? What if LeBron did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Duncan realistically is no longer a DPOY candidate. Â Put Milsap on the list. Fair enough. Second in the NBA in defensive rating though, and first in Defensive Box Plus/Minus according to basketball-reference. But I accept your point, factoring in minutes played. Wouldn't be fair to favor him based on efficiency numbers when he's played only a little over half the minutes that Draymond Green and Andre Drummond and Paul George have. Millsap is a worthy addition to the list, and I'd also add Paul George. George is the heart of what's currently the third best defense in the league. Kevin Durant. If he went to GS, would your opinion of him change? I like Durant. He seems to be a really good guy, plus he's a Skins fan. But if he went to GS, doesn't he lose a level of respect? What if LeBron did that? Yeah I would lose respect for him. He's a stud and shouldn't leave OKC to go and be Steph Curry's sidekick. That would be like if Bird went to LA to play with Magic. It would be even worse if LeBron did it. Leave Cleveland hanging a second time? There is zero chance of that happening IMO. LeBron has his rings, he's going to have a good team for the rest of his career, and he has his franchise by the short hairs. He's going to play out his career in Cleveland and then buy the team from Gilbert one day and go down as Ohio's greatest and most beloved sports figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 One thing about DPOY awards--they often consider offensive contribution too. Voters like to give it to highly visible star players who also happen to be rugged defenders playing for highly successful defensive teams. They don't like to give it to pure defensive specialists, or else Tony Allen might have one. I think this tendency enhances the chances for outstanding offensive players like Green and Leonard and George and dings the chance for the more limited guys like Drummond and Whiteside. But that also might be counterbalanced by voters having the tendency to give the award to centers. Thus we seem to have a pretty good race for the award this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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