***2021-2022 NBA Season Thread***

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

At what point do we just start a Wizards-Hornetcats thread to isolate this madness?

All the individual sports thread end up like this and it's kinda annoying.

Soccer thread is a Liverpool circle jerk

Baseball thread is some sick Texas death match between the Braves and Nats with the Orioles occasionally making an appearance

If anyone cared about hockey outside of the 7 ppl that post in the caps thread, who knows that would go on there....

The common thread to most of this is Bubble. Once again, I'm really surprised you don't watch wrestling cry you love playing the heel (villain) lol

I respect it lol

[CrypticVillain]

 you love playing the heel (villain) lol

Who doesn't like to play the villain once in a while. I know I do. It keeps me grounded.

 

You know who wasn't grounded back in the day though? Michael Jordan. Dude could walk on air man. We'll never see anybody like him again...

 

[Bubble Screen]

BOTWP:

I don't love to play the villain. I think it's just that a lot of people aren't objective and can't handle the truth.

I understand this is a Washington sports board, but not everyone is a Wiz or Nats fan (hell, YOU don't pull for either). And not everyone thinks Bryce Harper is the next Ted Williams, or that Wall is Isaiah Thomas. Heck, there are a lot of Redskins fans on here that think RG3 is on the level of Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. Not, has the 'potential' to be as good. Right now, AT THIS MOMENT. And the Redskins and Wizards have been around for DECADES. You would think there would be a lot less of that nonsense with an established franchise (unlike, say, the Nats). I guess that's just how the younger generation of fan thinks, I dunno.

[Sticksboi05]

Right, us, who are actually using facts and data to back up our points are being non-objective.  As opposed to "I watch ze games"...right.

 

 

The day someone comes in here and says Wall is better than Chris Paul, then we can start talking about insane homerism.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Sticksboi05

[Bubble Screen]

Right, us, who are actually using facts and data to back up our points are being non-objective. As opposed to "I watch ze games"...right.

The day someone comes in here and says Wall is better than Chris Paul, then we can start talking about insane homerism.

There are a LOT (probably the majority) of NBA fans that think Irving is a better player than Wall. But you would have thought I said Tyronn Lue was better than Wall, based on the responses I got. Edited July 22, 2014 by Bubble Screen

[Sticksboi05]

Yes, there are, and they are of course, entitled to their opinion. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by Sticksboi05

[pjfootballer]

I was going off of espn's stats when I first posted that, months ago. Believe it or not, they only had 3 box scores listed. And I was assuming they were correct, forgetting they played 4 times. So how about you run along and stop making these same stupid responses in every thread.

Think about it. Don't you think if I had known (didn't trust espn stats) we had beaten the Wiz 3 out of 4, and not 2 of 3, that I would have posted it? C'mon.

Well, you're being roasted in here and in the MLB thread. I have to hand it to you, you tread water well. Hey man, nothing personal, as I've said before, you're an intelligent guy with some good sports knowledge. You know your stuff, but I just think you think you know more than you do. I know you can be a good poster who could debate with the best of them, but you let your ego get in the way of good sports talk. And please don't tell a 46 year old to "run along." That's disrespectful. I'm not a child. Edited July 22, 2014 by pjfootballer

[No Excuses]

There are a LOT (probably the majority) of NBA fans that think Irving is a better player than Wall. But you would have thought I said Tyronn Lue was better than Wall, based on the responses I got.

Here is an unbiased forum discussion at REALgm which probably has the largest Nba community.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332184

But of course, you watch games and lots of people agree with you!

[Bubble Screen]

Well, you're being roasted in here and in the MLB thread. I have to hand it to you, you tread water well. Hey man, nothing personal, as I've said before, you're an intelligent guy with some good sports knowledge. You know your stuff, but I just think you think you know more than you do. I know you can be a good poster who could debate with the best of them, but you let your ego get in the way of good sports talk. And please don't tell a 46 year old to "run along." That's disrespectful. I'm not a child.

Don't think I'm being "roasted" at all. I'm actually in the majority in both the Teheran and Irving discussions.

As for the run along comment. I apologize for that. But it gets old, you not following the conversations and just siding with the local team's fans (even though they are wrong in the eyes of most fans).

[No Excuses]

I actually find it interesting that people completely disregarded Irving and were more interested in Lowry vs Wall. Kyle Lowry is always underrated in PG discussions.

[pjfootballer]

Don't think I'm being "roasted" at all. I'm actually in the majority in both the Teheran and Irving discussions.

As for the run along comment. I apologize for that. But it gets old, you not following the conversations and just siding with the local team's fans (even though they are wrong in the eyes of most fans).

I follow the conversations and I try not to get involved in petty arguments, but when I feel the need to day something, I will. One thing I've never been is a homer. I don't think I agreed or disagreed about John Wall. I just feel they gave better proof as to why they feel he is better. Admittedly, basketball is probably 4th in ranking my sports knowledge on the 4 major sports.

I thought the Teheren argument was in the Nats fans favor until Hersh brought up some interesting stats to back up what you were saying that turned it in your favor, but prior to that, they had the upper hand.

I still feel you haven't proven that Kyrie is better than Wall. I think they still have the edge. Personally I think they are about even offensively, both bringing different strengths, but Wall has the advantage defensively.

Just my opinion. Like you, we're all entitled to ours.

Edited July 22, 2014 by pjfootballer

[Going Commando]

I actually find it interesting that people completely disregarded Irving and were more interested in Lowry vs Wall. Kyle Lowry is always underrated in PG discussions.

Yeah, that's pretty brutal. Irving might well be the worst defensive player that actually holds down a starting job. He is a complete dog on that end.

That dude's career got saved this summer with Cleveland getting LeBron and Wiggins. Absurd luck. He was headed the way of Starbury. Now he gets to play a big role and meaningful games for a soon to be contender.

It's extremely satisfying to me that James Harden, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love have all gotten exposed the past year. There was way too much Emperor's new clothes going on with them two or three years ago.

That said, Irving and Love as the second and third wheel to LeBron James would be a legit great team. They'd find their niche as super specialists and role players for one of the two best franchise cornerstones.

Still, Kyrie will never be a better basketball player than Wall. Never was, never will be.

[RonArtest15]

bbbbbut....Irving has sick handles, doe.

 

Sick handles >

[JoeWolf990]

Chart of Best NBA Players to Miss Playoffs First Six Seasons in a Row. Kevin Love is #2. I have no idea how Brand was on defense, but this is an interesting list. A lot of PFs who played on bad orgs, who were out of position, who werent known for defense.

[JoeWolf990]

The only decided advantage Kyrie has as of June 21, 2014 is mid-range shooting.  He is a much better mid-range jump shooter than Wall.

that, and Irving is better in that 3-10 feet range too. Wall has to find a shot in the paint. A tear drop or something.

[Bubble Screen]

I follow the conversations and I try not to get involved in petty arguments, but when I feel the need to day something, I will. One thing I've never been is a homer. I don't think I agreed or disagreed about John Wall. I just feel they gave better proof as to why they feel he is better. Admittedly, basketball is probably 4th in ranking my sports knowledge on the 4 major sports.

I thought the Teheren argument was in the Nats fans favor until Hersh brought up some interesting stats to back up what you were saying that turned it in your favor, but prior to that, they had the upper hand.

.

lol How did they have the upper hand in the Nats argument? Teheran leads EVERY Nats starting pitcher in the following categories:

ERA

IP

Fewer hits allowed

Fewer runs allowed

Fewer earned runs allowed

Fewer walks allowed

Opponents average

WHIP

Shutouts

Literally the only categories a Nats starting pitcher is beating Teheran in is strikeouts and HR allowed (15 to 14). Granted, there may be one or two more, but I stopped looking, as it was a COMPLETE was of time!

Edited July 22, 2014 by Bubble Screen

[Sticksboi05]

Yeah, that's pretty brutal. Irving might well be the worst defensive player that actually holds down a starting job. He is a complete dog on that end.

That dude's career got saved this summer with Cleveland getting LeBron and Wiggins. Absurd luck. He was headed the way of Starbury. Now he gets to play a big role and meaningful games for a soon to be contender.

It's extremely satisfying to me that James Harden, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love have all gotten exposed the past year. There was way too much Emperor's new clothes going on with them two or three years ago.

That said, Irving and Love as the second and third wheel to LeBron James would be a legit great team. They'd find their niche as super specialists and role players for one of the two best franchise cornerstones.

Still, Kyrie will never be a better basketball player than Wall. Never was, never will be.

 

F James Harden.  I have no respect for a guy who doesn't try defensively and whose sole offensive mission is to run into people and draw BS fouls.

[Going Commando]

that, and Irving is better in that 3-10 feet range too. Wall has to find a shot in the paint. A tear drop or something.

Wall shoots a tear drop now and then. Wall usually gets all of the way to the rim when he drives though. That 3-10 ft range is the least used part of the floor for him. I wouldn't say he needs to use it though because of how many shots at the rim he gets, and how he shoots them. Both are elite for a PG. Dragic was the only PG in the league that shot as many shots at the rim as Wall last season and shot for a better %. Wall's numbers were 398 shots at the rim at .661. More of Dragic's shots came from fast breaks too, his team was 8th in pace against 18th for DC. He shot easier looks at the rim.

If you look at the areas of the floor that are important for Wall, it's at the rim, 16 ft to the 3 pt line, and beyond the 3 pt line. Fast breaks, perimeter drives, pull ups at the elbows, and threes. It's a very good inside outside mix. He'll need a Tony Parker-like 3-10 foot game when he slows down, and he'll need a post game to utilize that 10-16 ft range to fully unlock his scoring arsenal. But for right now while he's a beast, I'm fine with the way he scores because bottom line, he can get me 20 and 9.

[Going Commando]

Chart of Best NBA Players to Miss Playoffs First Six Seasons in a Row. Kevin Love is #2. I have no idea how Brand was on defense, but this is an interesting list. A lot of PFs who played on bad orgs, who were out of position, who werent known for defense.

Brand has pretty much always been OK defensively. Not an great defender but not a dog. Solid. Perhaps even a bit of a goon. He definitely was not a difference maker on that end like Duncan and KG were but I'd say better than Kevin Love. Brand looks a lot longer than Kevin Love.

Playing for the Baby Bulls and the Clippers early on contributed to the lack of postseason appearances. Also injuries, Brand's early career minute totals were astonishing for a big like him. His situation was similar to Kevin Love's in several ways but I think he was more of a work horse than Love and a more well rounded traditional big man.

Edited July 22, 2014 by stevemcqueen1

[Predicto]

F James Harden.  I have no respect for a guy who doesn't try defensively and whose sole offensive mission is to run into people and draw BS fouls.

 

I can't stand Harden either but I mostly I can't stand the fact that his drawing fouls bullcr*p is so successful.  It's the NBA's fault that what he does gets him whistles.  I can't blame him for taking advantage of the rules, or for doing so much better than anyone else.  But it turns the game into a snoozefest.  

 

I have no kind words for his lack of defensive effort.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Chris Sheridan on Durant to Wizards in 2016:

 

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/22/free-agency-leftovers-july-22-update-durant-to-wizards-in-16/

 

There is a video a little ways down the page actually discussing it (disclaimer: I didn't watch)

 

Also: 

 

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 5m

RT @ESPNNBA: Bulls making push for Kevin Love, but Cavs still in lead (via @ESPNSteinLine & @WindhorstESPN) - http://es.pn/1A2hNbK 

 

[JoeWolf990]

Wall shoots a tear drop now and then. Wall usually gets all of the way to the rim when he drives though. That 3-10 ft range is the least used part of the floor for him. I wouldn't say he needs to use it though because of how many shots at the rim he gets, and how he shoots them. Both are elite for a PG. Dragic was the only PG in the league that shot as many shots at the rim as Wall last season and shot for a better %. Wall's numbers were 398 shots at the rim at .661. More of Dragic's shots came from fast breaks too, his team was 8th in pace against 18th for DC. He shot easier looks at the rim.

If you look at the areas of the floor that are important for Wall, it's at the rim, 16 ft to the 3 pt line, and beyond the 3 pt line. Fast breaks, perimeter drives, pull ups at the elbows, and threes. It's a very good inside outside mix. He'll need a Tony Parker-like 3-10 foot game when he slows down, and he'll need a post game to utilize that 10-16 ft range to fully unlock his scoring arsenal. But for right now while he's a beast, I'm fine with the way he scores because bottom line, he can get me 20 and 9.

if he develops something in that 3-10 foot range, which he hasnt because his touch is really poor in that area, then dude is a 24-25 a game scorer. And he would get more free throws.

Kyrie is better than him there.

[EvilMonkeyBoy]

I have no kind words for his lack of defensive effort.

He used to not be complete garbage on that end of the court which is the most frustrating part. It feels like he's made it his sole mission to score enough points to make Clay Bennett and Sam Presti have a sad at the expense of everything else.

[Destino]

He used to not be complete garbage on that end of the court which is the most frustrating part. It feels like he's made it his sole mission to score enough points to make Clay Bennett and Sam Presti have a sad at the expense of everything else.

I don't think his cardio is where it needs to be and his increased role on offense, compared to OKC, forces him to rest on defense.

[Gamebreaker]

There are a LOT (probably the majority) of NBA fans that think Irving is a better player than Wall. But you would have thought I said Tyronn Lue was better than Wall, based on the responses I got.

 

No, there aren't alot of NBA fans who think that, because unlike what you claim, alot of NBA fans "watch the games."

Edited July 22, 2014 by Gamebreaker