Spaceman Spiff Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Of course it does, but do you think those other guys can do what Iggy does in the same position? Be a playmaker, set an offense, be a great passer, move without the ball, and play great perimeter defense? He's made a very good transition from having to be a first or second guy for a team to 6th man/very valuable role player with a high basketball IQ. GSW is a marvel to watch because, yes, it's a team full of superstars that play smart basketball, move the ball well and play good defense but their bench players are highly adept, too. I don't know what the stats say but it seems like they don't lose too much on the floor when any combination of Steph/KD/Draymond/Klay are on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: He's made a very good transition from having to be a first or second guy for a team to 6th man/very valuable role player with a high basketball IQ. GSW is a marvel to watch because, yes, it's a team full of superstars that play smart basketball, move the ball well and play good defense but their bench players are highly adept, too. I don't know what the stats say but it seems like they don't lose too much on the floor when any combination of Steph/KD/Draymond/Klay are on the bench. The point I am making is that he shoudl never have been the first or second guy. Iggy did this in Denver as well and would have done this in Philly with better talent around him. I actually don't buy the "Warriors are all superstars" narrative. The Warriors bench this season was worse than past years and they struggled in the Clippers series. Its really been since KD got injured that they turned it around. What I do buy is that this is easily the best coached and most intelligent team we have seen in a long time. Edited May 17, 2019 by BenningRoadSkin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 When you have 4-5 All Stars on your team, it ain't a narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: The point I am making is that he shoudl never have been the first or second guy. Iggy did this in Denver as well and would have done this in Philly with better talent around him. I actually don't buy the "Warriors are all superstars" narrative. The Warriors bench this season was worse than past years and they struggled in the Clippers series. Its really been since KD got injured that they turned it around. What I do buy is that this is easily the best coached and most intelligent team we have seen in a long time. I agree, he never should have been the first or second guy but IIRC, he found himself in a situation where he had to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Iggy is a true throwback. He could have been the sixth man on pretty much any championship team you can think of. I think he has an argument for greatest sixth man in NBA history. But the one thing he can't do is score on volume for a good offense. He doesn't have the handle, first step, or the shooting ability. I would take Paul George over him if salary isn't a factor. PG has a pure shot and he is also a good ball handler. I can have him play a Scottie Pippen role or a Klay Thompson role, depending on what I had surrounding him. Iggy doesn't have that level of versatility. Plus if my franchise player goes down, PG can get me 25+ points a night for an entire season. Volume scorers who play elite defense are few and far between. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Another thing about Paul George vs Iggy is that George is 6'9 whereas Iggy is only 6'6. You're a lot more comfortable with a PG switch onto an offensive minded 4 than you are with Iggy. The FT shooting is another big difference too. PG shoots for a great percentage. There is basically no situation where you need to worry about PG and take him off the court. He doesn't really have any weak points in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Paul George's handle isnt as good as Iggy's imo and he isnt a playmaker. The biggest thing is PG doesn't have an IQ as high as Iggy's. Edited May 17, 2019 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Paul George's handle isnt as good as Iggy's imo and he isnt a playmaker. The biggest thing is PG doesn't have an IQ as high as Iggy's. IQ I agree with. And I acknowledge that it's one of the most important ingredients for winning a championship. And it's part of why he has a knack for coming up big in the postseason. But I would trust Paul George more to attack a set defense off the dribble and create a shot. I would also trust him more on offense in crunch time. Iggy doesn't have as good a feel for the ball. He flubs lay ups and bricks a lot of open threes and free throws. PG is a lot smoother and more reliable. Take a situation like the final moments of the NC game between Texas Tech and UVA where Jarrett Culver, after getting locked down by DeAndre Hunter for most of the game, got an ISO possession from the top of the key, drove left on two defenders and finished at the rim for the go-ahead lay up. That kind of creative scoring ability can bail you out of a ton of mistakes and close out games for you. I would trust PG in a situation like that, but not Iggy. If the other parts of the game are pretty much equal, I think you have to go with the volume scoring first or second option over the fourth option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Well Iggy is 35 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: IQ I agree with. And I acknowledge that it's one of the most important ingredients for winning a championship. And it's part of why he has a knack for coming up big in the postseason. But I would trust Paul George more to attack a set defense off the dribble and create a shot. I would also trust him more on offense in crunch time. Iggy doesn't have as good a feel for the ball. He flubs lay ups and bricks a lot of open threes and free throws. PG is a lot smoother and more reliable. Take a situation like the final moments of the NC game between Texas Tech and UVA where Jarrett Culver, after getting locked down by DeAndre Hunter for most of the game, got an ISO possession from the top of the key, drove left on two defenders and finished at the rim for the go-ahead lay up. That kind of creative scoring ability can bail you out of a ton of mistakes and close out games for you. I would trust PG in a situation like that, but not Iggy. If the other parts of the game are pretty much equal, I think you have to go with the volume scoring first or second option over the fourth option. I think you are moving elsewhere. I readily admit PG is a better talent than Iggy. Its not a debate who the better scorer is either. My point is Iggy knows how to play the game better than those many of the best players in the league. As in he knows where to be on the court offensively, where to help his teammates on the defensive end, etc. He makes the right passes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I think you are moving elsewhere. I readily admit PG is a better talent than Iggy. Its not a debate who the better scorer is either. My point is Iggy knows how to play the game better than those many of the best players in the league. As in he knows where to be on the court offensively, where to help his teammates on the defensive end, etc. He makes the right passes, etc. He's going to have that old man type of game that Andre Miller had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 He gone. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26769841/tyreke-evans-disqualified-nba-2-years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 People are going to die if Connley leaves DC without a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: He gone. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26769841/tyreke-evans-disqualified-nba-2-years The NBA takes "drugs of abuse" violations seriously. Two year ban for the first offense. Tough way to end his NBA career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Jody Meeks sighting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Bucks are capable of giving the Warriors a real fight in the finals. They've done a great job building around Giannis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Gasol's shooting ability stayed back in Memphis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 is Toronto aware that game has begun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 This is a whuppin’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Hey, Kawhi...you are playing for mental midget central Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Bucks bench outscored the Toronto’s starters 31-28 in the first half. Lowry has four fouls. Raptors in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Toronto is regretting not getting Conley instead of Gasol or in addition to Gasol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Looks like that halftime speech worked. Sike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Looks like that halftime speech worked. Sike. Maybe it did. Bucks letting them back in it. This would be an epic collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Just now, Hersh said: Maybe it did. Bucks letting them back in it. This would be an epic collapse. Quarter almost over and now they flying around trying to make stuff happen. Either of these teams are good enough that when they go all effort it's a different convo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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