Hitman21ST Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Wilson did okay, on that Cruz throw. He had the underneath part of the bracket just as he was supposed to. Williams failed to stay over the top of that bracket, so there you go. Wilson didn't even touch Cruz. He was up in tight man (I can only assume it was bump underneath), and he let Cruz run by untouched. If he reroutes Cruz AT ALL, that play is completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Wilson didn't even touch Cruz. He was up in tight man (I can only assume it was bump underneath), and he let Cruz run by untouched. If he reroutes Cruz AT ALL, that play is completely different. They need to start going back to sticking Hall on the team's top target. His coverage skills may be only marginally better, but he doesn't make bonehead mistakes like that. His situation awareness far exceeds any DB on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 They need to start going back to sticking Hall on the team's top target. His coverage skills may be only marginally better' date=' but he doesn't make bonehead mistakes like that. His situation awareness far exceeds any DB on our team.[/quote']It's hard, though, with the Giants. With Cruz and Nicks, it's kind of pick your poison. Sunday, Nicks was doing more damage than Cruz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's hard, though, with the Giants. With Cruz and Nicks, it's kind of pick your poison. Sunday, Nicks was doing more damage than Cruz. The funny part about that last play was, Nicks and Cruz were both double covered, with Cedric Griffin and Josh Wilson w/ Safeties over the top, and DHall was left 1 on 1 with their nobody 3rd WR. Riddle me that? :insane: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I really don't understand why the fans hate the man so much. Its truly difficult for me to rationalize. He's not having a "bad" season. smh lol I can say from a personal standpoint why Hall bugs me so much. He just seems sort of delusional and focused on all the wrong things. In my opinion he honestly seems more concerned with getting interviews and getting media attention than working to improve himself and his teammates. I gurantee that if the fanbase had to chose between getting another postgame apology speech or explanation from Hall or just have him focus all his energy on improving and never getting another interview again, it would be unanimous. At the end of the day your paid to play football, not for your postgame analysis. The redskins secondary is on pace to be the worst in NFL history, you would think that the players involved in it would be embarrassed about it and want to avoid the media, and aside from Hall that is the case. I haven't seen interviews with any other member of the secondary but every week it seems like Hall can't wait to get on a mike and talk about how terrible he's doing, how he's not worth the money were spending on him, and how the other teams didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. Newsflash. It doesn't matter how your losing games, at the end of the day your still losing them and pinning it on technicalities just sweeps the problems under the rug and doesn't fix anything. It just ensures that youll lose the same way next week because you didn't learn from your mistakes. I can see that some people might say hes trying to be a leader and take responsibility, but at some point your focus and energy has to turn towards working out a solution to the teams problems, not just accepting them as the status quo and acting like its out of your control. Thats my biggest issue with him. Every week he seems to just give the same speech about their play being unacceptable, but it doesn't ever seem to translate to in-game improvements. To me (and to others im sure) his attitude comes across as "well im part of a bad secondary but at least it gives me some free publicity and a chance to cover my own ass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogsGoHard Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/10/uncalled-hold-of-the-week.html did anybody see this^^^^^^^ lol.....I guess i the hold is too obvious, and would benefit the redskins, then it shouldn't be called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airyx Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Wilson didn't even touch Cruz. He was up in tight man (I can only assume it was bump underneath), and he let Cruz run by untouched. If he reroutes Cruz AT ALL, that play is completely different. I didn't say Wilson was perfect on that play. Given the over-the-top "help", your assumption is probably correct, but I don't know that for sure. He did establish pretty good underneath position to prevent a slant or similar route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 D.Hall explains what he meant Hall said on 106.7 The Fan in Washington that he was answering a question about how smart Eli Manning is as a quarterback and only meant to point out that you don’t need to be all that smart to see a receiver running open in the middle of the field. That was pretty much Manning’s read on the situation as well and Hall explained just went wrong with the coverage on that play before circling back to make sure everyone knows he thinks the Giants quarterback is just fine in the brains department.“I’m not saying Eli’s not smart. You know, the dude’s super smart. He won two Super Bowls. I got drafted with Eli. I was able to get to know him and his family through that whole process. I respect his game a whole lot. I respect that football team, Coach Coughlin, all those guys a lot and what they’ve been able to accomplish up there in New York,” Hall said, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. “So I’m not taking anything from that organization or Eli as a player. I think he’s a Hall of Fame player. I think he’s showing that, he’s proving that. I think he’s got a lot more years left in him to play. But on that particular play, I felt like the coverage that we didn’t execute to the best of our ability definitely made it a lot easier on him than we probably wanted it to be.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/deangelo-hall-eli-manning-is-super-smart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 D.Hall explains what he meanthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/deangelo-hall-eli-manning-is-super-smart/ So D-Hall delivers an articulate, respectful response to what he really meant by his comment. Meanwhile you've got Justin Tuck calling him dumb and Victor Cruz saying it's disrespectful. I have two questions for D-Hall's haters now. 1.) Do you want to eat some crow? (No, of course you don't...) 2.) Do you even care that people from a division rival called one of our own stupid, over something that he didn't actually say. (Again, of course, no you don't.) (Not directed at you, IBB&G.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFan Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/10/uncalled-hold-of-the-week.htmldid anybody see this^^^^^^^ lol.....I guess i the hold is too obvious, and would benefit the redskins, then it shouldn't be called I wanted it called because I'm a Redskins fan but I have to call BS on that play. That "hold" was like for a split second and if you watch it in real time they probably would never call it. The picture makes it look worse than it actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED06 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Your comments on Madieu, Gomes, and Reed are dead-on correct.Your comments about Josh Williams could not be more wrong. He consistently grades-out as one of the better CBs in the league. Hall grades-out as a fair amount above average. Paired together, the 'skins have pretty good CB talent. You need to realize that the NFL is designed so that a CB is always at a disadvantage against a receiver. If a QB throws to a WR in single coverage, he expects the WR to win that most of the time, because those are the rules of the game. Its like a casino. Yes you might win every once in awhile, but because the rules favor the house, eventually you'll lose out. So, CBs need help. Either from the sideline, the OLB, or a safety. The CB knows where his help is, and in the case it was supposed to be Williams on the top of the bracket. Wilson did okay, on that Cruz throw. He had the underneath part of the bracket just as he was supposed to. Williams failed to stay over the top of that bracket, so there you go. I didn't mention anything about the go ahead TD score for the Giants to win the game. It was a play in the 2nd qtr that Eli threw a bad pass when they where in the redzone when he just made Josh Wilson look stupid. I've watched Josh Wilson get schooled all year. I totally understand the NFL bro, trust me on that. And we don't have a good pair of DB's. If that where true we will not be dang near at the bottom with over 300+ passing yards allowed per game. Heck our secondary is pretty much one of the worst in the league. Statistics proves that with Josh being the target ALOT. does he make an occassional play? Yes...... but he gets beat ALOT more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoah Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Evidently, in the second quarter, a rookie qb came close to beating the Giants. More intellect and athletic ability oand less rocket science. We were one unsecured catch away from getting back down the field to throw the winning touchdown. RGIII > Eli Womanning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Maybe he said it "on purpose." Maybe talking to guys in the lockeroom and keeping it in house was not working. Maybe he felt like if he said something embarrassing to the media about the secondary, they'd be embarrassed and in turn, amp up their play next week. Did you ever think of that?---------- Post added October-25th-2012 at 08:51 AM ---------- Funny that some of us "old school" fans only remember Monk and Green. Dexter talked **** all day long saying he'd knock Danny White out. Russ Grimm talked **** all day long to Randy White and anyone who would listen. Wilbur Marshall was one of the biggest **** talkers in the game. It's not exclusive to this ear. It is my preference to have players who let their play do the talking. I realize in our glory days we had major smack talkers and I liked those guys too. Two things; Im a grown man with three young boys now, so that has a lot to do with my preference in modest (classy) ballers. Second thing is, those guys you mention actually backed up their talk with superior play. Our secondary, which D Hall is a part of, is not very good and dont back their talk up w solid play, in the process making them look foolish. Not that I expect anyone to read the entire thread but I feel like Ive repeated myself several times now. HTTR EDIT: I wish we had a 'like' button. Post 214 is right on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaCommander Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Maybe Dhall should just up and play. To talk and say that we gave them the TD instead of man up and say we failed TO ME is bad sportsmanship, no matter what angle you see it from, plain and simple. If we lose, we man up and say we lost... but to talk after the game and say if we didn't do this or that... thats just flapping your gums. We lost they won... end of story. NO other explanations needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 So....you're saying he's never put his foot in his mouth or sounded foolish? Take the B&G glasses off. He's got a WELL deserved rep for a reason. What does him EVER putting his foot in his mouth have to do with the fact NFL players get interviewed plenty? They will continue to interview him. I don't see the point in getting so worked up when he's said nothing wrong. ---------- Post added October-25th-2012 at 05:52 PM ---------- Maybe Dhall should just up and play. To talk and say that we gave them the TD instead of man up and say we failed TO ME is bad sportsmanship, no matter what angle you see it from, plain and simple. If we lose, we man up and say we lost... but to talk after the game and say if we didn't do this or that... thats just flapping your gums.We lost they won... end of story. NO other explanations needed. I guarantee if he'd said exactly what you're saying he should have said, people would still be in this thread complaining. I guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I wanted it called because I'm a Redskins fan but I have to call BS on that play. That "hold" was like for a split second and if you watch it in real time they probably would never call it. The picture makes it look worse than it actually was. Lets be honest, they let OLmen get away with around the body holds on most every play in every game. Maybe that's why the Giants got smart and have 3-4 different guys who can all rush the QB very well. You can't hold them all, Orakpo and now Kerrigan get abused on every pass play, even when they do get to the QB its usually after they broke out of a head lock or the QB makes a mistake and gives them an angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I fail to see why any Redskins fan would be upset about one of our players rolling his eyes at the Giants.**** them. what are you worried about? pissing them off? Looking bad? This is a team we swept last year, and required a last minute miracle to scrape by us the other day. Y'all want to respect them? **** them! DHall SHOULD let them know we don't fear them. DHall SHOULD let them know we don't consider them better. Instead we get a bunch of whining. Oh no! DHall mouthed off to the Giants! Oh, our delicate sensibilities have been shaken! Quit whimpering about it. Stand with the REDSKIN who's not afraid of them . ~Bang Perfectly said! I agree 100% with Halls quote and so does the Giants, they know they got damn lucky and was beaten by a division rival who had 6 turnovers! I would be embarrassed myself if I was a Giant. Screw NY and their feelings. Like I stated earlier, we will take 1st place from them when it's needed most, late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Not sure if its been posted, but here is more fuel for the fire: DHall says Eli is "super-smart" on 106.7 the fan. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/deangelo-hall-eli-manning-is-super-smart/ The steps in the little dance are very familiar after watching it done so many times after a player says something that generates some controversy, so it’s not too surprising to learn that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall took a chance to further explain what he meant when he said that he could have delivered the pass that Victor Cruz turned into a game-winning 77-yard touchdown last Sunday.Hall said on 106.7 The Fan in Washington that he was answering a question about how smart Eli Manning is as a quarterback and only meant to point out that you don’t need to be all that smart to see a receiver running open in the middle of the field. That was pretty much Manning’s read on the situation as well and Hall explained just went wrong with the coverage on that play before circling back to make sure everyone knows he thinks the Giants quarterback is just fine in the brains department. “I’m not saying Eli’s not smart. You know, the dude’s super smart. He won two Super Bowls. I got drafted with Eli. I was able to get to know him and his family through that whole process. I respect his game a whole lot. I respect that football team, Coach Coughlin, all those guys a lot and what they’ve been able to accomplish up there in New York,” Hall said, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. “So I’m not taking anything from that organization or Eli as a player. I think he’s a Hall of Fame player. I think he’s showing that, he’s proving that. I think he’s got a lot more years left in him to play. But on that particular play, I felt like the coverage that we didn’t execute to the best of our ability definitely made it a lot easier on him than we probably wanted it to be.” It’s hard to find too much argument with any of that, which means that this is probably as good a place as any to allow this little diversion to fade away into the night. I like that last line about allowing this non-story to fade away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You would think DHall made a stupid comment akin to Antrel Rolles trash of beating us "99 out of 100 times" they way some of you are reacting lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 What does him EVER putting his foot in his mouth have to do with the fact NFL players get interviewed plenty? They will continue to interview him. I don't see the point in getting so worked up when he's said nothing wrong.---------- Post added October-25th-2012 at 05:52 PM ---------- I guarantee if he'd said exactly what you're saying he should have said, people would still be in this thread complaining. I guarantee it. Hall getting interviewed plenty has NOTHING to do with him repeatedly saying dumb ****. There are plenty of guys around the league who are interviewed just as much or more than Hall and don't come off sounding worse than when they went in. This has been his M.O. since his ATL days. Talk a big game and not back a lot of it up or just saying dumb stuff in general. I can't back this man up at all. One of the most overrated CBs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 DeAngelo Hall could be asked if the sky was blue tomorrow. He could crack a joke and say "Nah, it's kinda cloudy, it's a little gray", and 10 minutes later the would be an enraged thread titled "DEANGELO HALL DOES NOT THINK THE SKY IS BLUE!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I think the whole secondary should shut the hell up until they can actually cover somebody. How about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Cut him immediatelyI wouldn't say that Eli was "clutch" in that situation. Jamarcus Russell or Drunk Eli could have made that throw. The guy was 10 yards wide open. Clutch is if he had have surgically led them 77 yards to the winning TD with 10 seconds left. We still had one more chance with the ball at the end with 1 timeout and plenty of time on the clock for Bob. It's not Eli's fault the Redskins made it so easy for him. Do you have any doubt he goes down and moves the Giants into at least field goal range. The mans 4th quarter stats since late 2010 speak for themselves. But here I am talking well about the QB of the Giants, the team I loathe most so I will stop here lol. Either way, I wish these stories were "D-Hall on the huge Eli Pick that sealed the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Either way, I wish these stories were "D-Hall on the huge Eli Pick that sealed the game". If they had Hall on their obvious #1 receiver instead on the other side of the field covering some #3-4 scrub then maybe it would have been different, I doubt it though since Hall plays CB and not FS and he'd have been under anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 ES is boosting my post count since it crashes randomly 24/7 and reposts things that were only sent one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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