88Comrade2000 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 For Discussion ONLY: What if Obama pulls a Johnson & not run: How would the Democratic race shape up? Johnson concluded he couldn't win reelection and decided not to run for reelection. Just for discussion only; what if Obama stunned the world and announced he wouldn't run for reelection and would just focus on the job. With no Obama and probably a very short time frame before the primaries started; how would a fictional Democratic Race shape up? Would they just give it to Hillary? Or would several people jump in? Note: Again, this is just for discussion purposes. This isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Like you said, I can't see it happening. He'd be leaving too many in hot water. They'd have no time to really set up the organization or monies needed to run for Presidency these days. So, basically it'd be a giant F you to his own party. That said, if he decided that he couldn't take it anymore and didn't want to deal with the mess that is Washington, I think at this stage Hillary is the only contender on the D ticket who could emerge. She was pretty successful as a NY Senator and she was generally lauded on her work as Secretary State. She has the name recognition and even many Republicans have flipped on her. Other than her though, I am not sure who else could even make a credible run. Congress is too despised for the usuals to run and get much traction and I don't think there's a governor with enough national traction at this point. You'd have to get a non-politico billionaire to run... a Warren Buffet or Bill Gates type and I don't know how that would play or if we'd even want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JdoubleU Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 It won't happen, but if it did...helloooo Hillary. And she'd win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Would Hillary even want it at this point? I could see a Pelosi type running if this happend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Speaking of (Gary) Johnson I'd wish he'd be the Repub nominee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hes going to raise a billion dollars for the General Campaign. That can fix a lot of negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hillary's wet dream. She'd probably get more votes than Obama. But, considering he is already on the campaign trail, the scenerio is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Must resist cheap joke about Prez pulling someone's johnson..... Hillary would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'd vote for Kang and he'd easily beat Kodos. Seriously, Hillary would jump in and probably win with her new international chops. I think if it looks grim for Obama in at the General approaches, we could see Biden "retire" for health/family reasons and Clinton take his spot. I really do. At that point its game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Speaking of (Gary) Johnson I'd wish he'd be the Repub nominee That guy is a dolt and nut. His one exposure to a national audience was enough to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Would Hillary even want it at this point? I could see a Pelosi type running if this happend. That's silly. Pelosi would get destroyed, and she knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hillary wins in a landslide. She's done a very commendable job as Secretary of State, and many of us, myself included would like to see a return to Clintonomics, as compared to the wreckless spending of our last two presidents. History has been kinder than I expected to Bill. The present has been kind to Hillary because she's earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hillary wins in a landslide.She's done a very commendable job as Secretary of State, and many of us, myself included would like to see a return to Clintonomics, as compared to the wreckless spending of our last two presidents. History has been kinder than I expected to Bill. The present has been kind to Hillary because she's earned it. Of course, Hillary mostly has been implementing Obama's foreign policy directives while serving as Secretary of State. Not to say that she hasn't done a good job, but what she has been doing is what Obama wants her to do. That may not be true with regard to every top federal official, but you can bet that every President always micromanages top tier foreign policy decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 The Dems bench is not exactly overflowing with potential candidates right now. In the unlikely event of an Obama implosion, it would probably end up being someone like Vilsack - someone with some national connections and a little bit of a name. Anyway, the only something like that happens is an insurgency from within the party. There is no Eugene McCarthy out there nor is there an issue to unite Democrats against their president. And there is certainly no Bobby Kennedy waiting in the wings. In a '68 Scenario, Hillary (I guess) would play the role of Hubert Humphrey with the roles of Kennedy, McCarthy, and Vietnam all currently uncast. It's also unclear whether or not Johnson would have lost. Even with Bobby Kennedy entering the race, Johnson might have been able to win the nomination. And despite everything that happeed to the Dems in '68, Nixon squeaked out a win. The real question was whether Johnson could have won the election without dying. He only had five years left to live as it was. A grueling campaing against a Kennedy and then Nixon might have triggered any kind of awful health event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 That guy is a dolt and nut. His one exposure to a national audience was enough to see that.Better than any of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 That guy is a dolt and nut. His one exposure to a national audience was enough to see that. Then he would probably fit right in with the current Republican nominees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hillary wins in a landslide.She's done a very commendable job as Secretary of State, and many of us, myself included would like to see a return to Clintonomics, as compared to the wreckless spending of our last two presidents. History has been kinder than I expected to Bill. The present has been kind to Hillary because she's earned it. raise taxes back to Clinton era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Not much of a debate. Hillary in a landslide. Both in the primary and general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 That's silly. Pelosi would get destroyed, and she knows it. I think so too, but you don't think her ego would prevent her? I'm sure there are a few governors that would crawl out of the woodwork, even former ones like Rendell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Of course, Hillary mostly has been implementing Obama's foreign policy directives while serving as Secretary of State. Not to say that she hasn't done a good job, but what she has been doing is what Obama wants her to do. That may not be true with regard to every top federal official, but you can bet that every President always micromanages top tier foreign policy decisions. Certainly. And that's one area where I've had few disagreements with the president. But what impresses me, even beyond that, is that Hillary hasn't in any way used the office to try to catapul herself into the Oval Office. She's served very effectively, without making it about her. I guess I shouldn't have assumed that's what she'd do, but I'm impressed that she hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I think if Obama is caught pulling a Johnson (that isn't his) he better not run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I think so too, but you don't think her ego would prevent her?I'm sure there are a few governors that would crawl out of the woodwork, even former ones like Rendell. Nah. Pelosi knows what she is good at. She is a vote counter and an arm twister, not a Head of State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I think if Obama is caught pulling a Johnson (that isn't his) he better not run. Or he better run pretty fast, depending on who it belongs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Or he better run pretty fast, depending on who it belongs to. What would make a great story would be if it was bachmann's johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hillary wins in a landslide.She's done a very commendable job as Secretary of State, and many of us, myself included would like to see a return to Clintonomics, as compared to the wreckless spending of our last two presidents. History has been kinder than I expected to Bill. The present has been kind to Hillary because she's earned it. Yes I think Hillary would be the nominee and many Americans perceive that she has done a good job as Sec Of State. That said, what the heck has she done that has been widely praised? Seriously, list her diplomatic successes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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